High Temps for Everything

[OddyAte]

Hey guys, since installing 2 rainmeter skins that show my GPU and CPU temps at all times on one of my monitors it started really worrying me that my CPU (4790K) was easily hitting 55 in idle with spikes of 5-10 degrees Celsius when just doing something minor (opening a task manager) so I was pretty sure the paste is not ok. Changed the paste, same temps. Changed back to my old cooler ( Silentium PC Grandis 2 from Fera 3 RGB) same temps. So I delided it, put liquid metal on it (Conductonaut) and now my temps are not fluctuating that much and are arround 40-45 in idle and 70 on load, this on a basic 4.3 OC just by increasing the multiplier. Now my GPU(ASUS Strix OC 1070) is in the same place, 55-56 degrees all the time in idle,fan keeps starting and stopping so I had to make a custom profile where fans kick in at 60...it does the same thing, 60-61 in idle. I find these temps pretty bad asnd even put the PC on my desk so it’s not close to the floor heating, it has 6 airflow fans, tried it without the side panel.. nothing helps. Is this normal? Tried windows reinstall, I have an antivirus but still ran malwarebytes + adwcleaner. This is not something that just started now, it’s been always like this but I don’t know what else to change. 
 

Thanks a lot for the help guys, hope you can understand my ramble.

[OddyAte]

To do a somewhat better TL:DR style summary:

- Case is a ThermalTake Versa C22 RGB with 6 fans (every place there can be a fan + 1 in the front mounted with rubber); side panel off did not help

- i7 4790K 4.3GHz that was 50+ Celsius idle ramping to 60+ when opening task manager (that would just ramp up the coolers and get the temp back instantly), did a delid with liquid metal, put back older cooler Silentium PC Grandis 2 and now it sits at 42 while writing this with a spike to 50 if I open task manager

- GTX 1070 ASUS Strix OC that is 54 idle with replaced thermal paste, had to do a custom profile as when I watch YouTube, it just starts and stops the fans (with custom profile set to start the fans at 60, I still see it at the barrier 60-61 so the fan starts)

 

Are this temps ok, what do I have to change in order to improve them? Ambient temp is 21 Celsius.

 

[LogicalDrm]

At what load is your idle? Usually we don't really look at idle temps as they don't tell anything. Your normal and stress load temps are more important. Those temps seem like normal, without knowing how much the actual load is.

[OddyAte]

GPU at 0% usage is at 55-56 and YouTube 4K is 61. CPU while gaming (CS:GO) went as high as 77 and idle ( load between 5-20% alternating) is 42-43.

[Whiro]

1 hour ago, OddyAte said:

GPU at 0% usage is at 55-56 and YouTube 4K is 61. CPU while gaming (CS:GO) went as high as 77 and idle ( load between 5-20% alternating) is 42-43.

How did you placed this fans in the case?? The actual problem may be that you have too much fans and they not against each other 

[OddyAte]

3 intakes at the front, 1 exhaust at the back and 2 exhaust at the top, all 12cm. The CPU cooler also has 2 fans, one is 12 and the other is 14cm.

[Bombastinator]

13 minutes ago, OddyAte said:

3 intakes at the front, 1 exhaust at the back and 2 exhaust at the top, all 12cm. The CPU cooler also has 2 fans, one is 12 and the other is 14cm.

So big girl cooler with high end fresh paste on a delidded and repasted 4790k and at least good ‘nuff cooling runs hotter at idle than my 4770k with a lesser cooler and lesser much older paste and spikes with extremely minor load.  My clocks are lower but my CPU was always kinda crap.  That one is higher binned and newer.
 

Im assuming you’ve had this machine for a while now and the numbers you are getting are not what they were in the past?
 

[OddyAte]

I always considered myself unlucky at temps but in the past years I changed CPU, multiple GPUs, coolers, case and better fans and nothing improved, I always have high temps so I blamed the placement of my PC (it was stuck between the desk and a closet).. then I moved and the PC was sitting on a heated floor next to the desk so I blamed that... now I put it on the desk itself and nothing changed. I did not check the temps as often as now (since I have a widget for it) so I am not sure about the spikes, but I presume they were the same before. I remember replacing the thermal paste on a GTX 1080Ti Strix OC and the temps dropped by a lot, when I repasted mine nothing changed. I just hate seeing it always idling at 55-60 degrees on the lightest workload and I presume when I upgrade to a 2070 Super of a 2080, that will be the same.

[LogicalDrm]

14 hours ago, OddyAte said:

GPU at 0% usage is at 55-56 and YouTube 4K is 61. CPU while gaming (CS:GO) went as high as 77 and idle ( load between 5-20% alternating) is 42-43.

Normal temps as I see them. CPU while gaming is bit hotter than what I would expect with that kind of cooler. Maybe fans aren't performing or you are having some serious issues with voltage.

 

GPU also seems normal, like it probably has 0rpm mode for no load. So if you want temps to go down, adjust fan curve to boost speed bit faster.

[OddyAte]

Yeah, it's in 0 rpm mode and it keeps starting and stopping the fans as it hits 56, and instantly stops as it hits 55. That's why I made a curve to start the fans at 60. My CPU is OC'd at 4.3GHz with manual voltage set to 1.15, but I set it to adaptive mode as I would like it to go to a lower voltage when the clocks are not that high. This works but it causes the voltage to go to 1.2 in load.

[Bombastinator]

5 hours ago, OddyAte said:

I always considered myself unlucky at temps but in the past years I changed CPU, multiple GPUs, coolers, case and better fans and nothing improved, I always have high temps so I blamed the placement of my PC (it was stuck between the desk and a closet).. then I moved and the PC was sitting on a heated floor next to the desk so I blamed that... now I put it on the desk itself and nothing changed. I did not check the temps as often as now (since I have a widget for it) so I am not sure about the spikes, but I presume they were the same before. I remember replacing the thermal paste on a GTX 1080Ti Strix OC and the temps dropped by a lot, when I repasted mine nothing changed. I just hate seeing it always idling at 55-60 degrees on the lightest workload and I presume when I upgrade to a 2070 Super of a 2080, that will be the same.

Such temps aren’t dangerous.  It only even starts to become possibly questionable if they hit over 75c with even the most conservative views on temperature.  Many would say even more is fine.

[Whiro]

46 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Such temps aren’t dangerous.  It only even starts to become possibly questionable if they hit over 75c with even the most conservative views on temperature.  Many would say even more is fine.

Yup I agree with that. My gpu is heavily oc and hits 76 which is alright and this don’t bother me at all. 

[OddyAte]

This is just a sidenote as this post is at the end, I will try perfecting my OC a bit and make the temps maybe somewhat better, but do you think I should upgrade this PC? I was thinking of the AMD route as I want to still be able to pop in a newer CPU on the same motherboard and Intel will not be capable of that. I use this PC mainly for multimedia and gaming. so the options are:

 

1. Go for the AMD 3700X + MSI MEG X570 Ace + 16GB 3600MHz Cl16

2. Go for the Intel 9900KF + ASUS Strix Z390-E + 16GB 3200/3600MHz CL16

3. Upgrade my GPU instead (GTX 1070 to RTX 2070 Super/2080)

4. Wait a few more months for prices to drop/ for the next generation

 

L.E. while tweaking my CPU OC and doing a stress test I noticed that my GPU clock is staying at 1630 while idle. I changed a power setting in the Nvidia Control Panel to Adaptive and now my GPU temps went down to 44 Celsius while idle. Now that's something I like seeing.

[WoodenMarker]

On 1/8/2020 at 5:25 AM, OddyAte said:

This is just a sidenote as this post is at the end, I will try perfecting my OC a bit and make the temps maybe somewhat better, but do you think I should upgrade this PC?

Are you not satisfied with it for any particular reason?

[OddyAte]

Well the only time I saw my CPU struggle was during the Battlefield 5 campaign, where it would constantly drop frames. Otherwise I play at 1080p so I usually have more than 60 frames on a pretty high setting. But sometime I will still have to upgrade it so I was just asking if it's worth it now or better wait.

[WoodenMarker]

On 1/9/2020 at 11:14 PM, OddyAte said:

Well the only time I saw my CPU struggle was during the Battlefield 5 campaign, where it would constantly drop frames. Otherwise I play at 1080p so I usually have more than 60 frames on a pretty high setting. But sometime I will still have to upgrade it so I was just asking if it's worth it now or better wait.

Have you tried oc'ing to see if that helps? If you're still not satisfied with the performance, upgrade. It's up to you how much your experience is worth. 

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[OddyAte]

9 hours ago, WoodenMarker said:

Have you tried oc'ing to see if that helps? If you're still not satisfied with the performance, upgrade. It's up to you how much your experience is worth. 

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Yeah, from what I remember it had an OC to 4.3. I saw a video on YouTube that compares the 3800X to the 4790K and the difference is not so much in the higher fps.. it's more on the lower side, my CPU struggling at some points and making the game stutter

[SkilledRebuilds]

My 4790K (4.6Ghz) hit 100% on allcores during BFV Cutscenes as they were loading in assets for the next gameplay scenes...from an SSD as well.

The game didn't like trying to play their videos.... while loading the next levels... and I was stuttering during playback.

In MP-64P does mine get bottlenecked. Med-Ultra Mix for 120fps,... down to say 85-95fps for a second or two and back up maybe a couple of times per match..

As videos are made for Youtube often enough,.. Ryzen certainly looks tempting to many 4790K users i'm sure.

[OddyAte]

Mine was having issues during the game itself and the cut-scenes too. The Ryzen is really tempting me but I will postpone it for 2-3 months and I will see then, maybe I will wait for the 4th series or who knows, maybe Intel will launch something decent.