1660 Ti vs 1660 Super For NVENC Streaming

[B U B B A J]

Hello Linus Tech Tips Forum! My names Juke. But You'll know me as BubbaJ! I'm a bit of a nerd. Always talk nerd talk. But I need to get to the bottom of this and figured I might as well join the Linus fam here other then just on YouTube. 

 

So here's my question/dilemma. For pure live streaming. Which GPU would work better? The 1660Ti or the 1660 Super? I can get the Ti for the same price as the super. So price isn't the issue for me. I'm just wondering which would work out better as a dedicated NVENC Encoder for live streaming. That would be it's only use. Right now I'm leaning towards the TI because I've heard it's the overall better card when it comes to gaming. But I don't need this card for gaming purpose. 

 

Would the encoding be the same on each card so the final answer would just be get whichever is cheaper? Or does it make more sense to get one over the other?  Thank you all for your advice in advanced! 

 

Juke

[Electronics Wizardy]

The encoder should be the same on both cards, so it won't matter which card you get. Its also the exact same on the 1660 if you want to save a few bucks.

 

 

[B U B B A J]

I had a feeling the encoder was the same on both. What I was wondering as well is if the memory speed difference and what not would matter for something like this. I'm assuming it doesn't but I'm not very good on GPU knowledge. 

 

Will the quality be the same for these cards as well as the higher tier cards? As long as it has the Turning Architecture. 

[Jurrunio]

Unlike Pascal/Volta which has varying numbers of NVENC engine in different GPUs (1060 has 1, 1080 has 2, Titan V has 3, each of them is the same), Turing has the same NVENC engine from 1660 to Titan RTX. 1650 uses Pascal and Volta's NVENC engine instead.

 

4 minutes ago, B U B B A J said:

Will the quality be the same for these cards as well as the higher tier cards? As long as it has the Turning Architecture. 

If you consider the fact that you cannot run graphical settings nearly as high as the higher tier cards, then yes the 1660S and 1660Ti are worse. In just encoding performance, they are all the same except the 1650.

 

5 minutes ago, B U B B A J said:

What I was wondering as well is if the memory speed difference and what not would matter for something like this. I'm assuming it doesn't but I'm not very good on GPU knowledge. 

It's a separate component

 

tho I would say that manually overclocking 1660's GDDR5 is already enough, no need to buy 1660S just for the GDDR6

[B U B B A J]

All this now I'm seeing they are releasing a 1650 in a few days. Givin this will be the same quality encoding I'm wonder what the price should be and just wait for that. I had no idea a new card with that encoding chip was coming on the 22nd. 

[redbread123]

This is why Nvidia needs to stop making so many sku's, it's like they're 5 year olds "oh no we have competition lets release super models because our original version is a disappointment" smh amd only 550-590 last gen which is 4 which is normal, and they have that for polaris architecture, 5700, 5700 xt. and later 5500 and 5500 xt. 4 sku's for a gen. MEANWHILE NVidia has what like 2060,2070,2080, and all of those with super variants + a last gen with turing?? wtf, anyways 2080 ti and titan rtx that is  a total of 8-9 SKU's for a single architecture. /rant

[B U B B A J]

Yeah I feel ya lol. I was never planning on getting a new GPU until I saw the difference in streaming quality with their new cards. Seeing as to how cheap you can get them I figured it was for sure a smart buy vs trying to upgrade my entire rig. That's why I'm aiming for the cheapest card with the chip. I'm hoping the 1650 Super is decently cheap. Then getting that card will be pretty much be the obvious choice. 

[Zando_]

12 minutes ago, redbread123 said:

This is why Nvidia needs to stop making so many sku's, it's like they're 5 year olds "oh no we have competition lets release super models because our original version is a disappointment" smh amd only 550-590 last gen which is 4 which is normal, and they have that for polaris architecture, 5700, 5700 xt. and later 5500 and 5500 xt. 4 sku's for a gen. MEANWHILE NVidia has what like 2060,2070,2080, and all of those with super variants + a last gen with turing?? wtf, anyways 2080 ti and titan rtx that is  a total of 8-9 SKU's for a single architecture. /rant

There were more than 4:

 

7 of them, Polaris also didn't have a high end. High end was Vega 56, 64, and LE (a 64 with pro driver options and twice the VRAM). Whereas Pascal was 1030 - 1050 - 1050 Ti - 1060 3GB - 1060 6GB - 1070 - 1070 Ti - 1080 - 1080 Ti by the time it was discontinued. 9 GPUs vs the 10 AMD had at the time (RX 500 and RX Vega series). 

Now Turing is out, so far 1650 - 1650 Super - 1660 - 1660 Super - 1660 Ti - 2060 - 2060 Super - 2070 - 2070 Super - 2080 - 2080 Super - 2080 Ti. 12 cards, only a 3 card increase from Pascal. 

 

AMD's current offerings are the 5700, 5700 XT, and on the high end the Radeon VII (came out at the same time as Turing, is still AMD's flagship, kinda sorta discontinued but also not). Then they have the 5500 and 5500 XT you mentioned as well, which will bring the total to 5 cards so far ( RX 5000 and Vega 7nm/Vega II series). A lot less than Nvidia, but they're also still selling the whole RX 500 series as well AFAIK. I assume they've stopped making the RX Vega line, but they may not have? 

Point being neither manufacturer is innocent, both have massively convoluted product lines for various reasons. 

[redbread123]

5 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

There were more than 4:

 

7 of them, Polaris also didn't have a high end. High end was Vega 56, 64, and LE (a 64 with pro driver options and twice the VRAM). Whereas Pascal was 1030 - 1050 - 1050 Ti - 1060 3GB - 1060 6GB - 1070 - 1070 Ti - 1080 - 1080 Ti by the time it was discontinued. 9 GPUs vs the 10 AMD had at the time (RX 500 and RX Vega series). 

Now Turing is out, so far 1650 - 1650 Super - 1660 - 1660 Super - 1660 Ti - 2060 - 2060 Super - 2070 - 2070 Super - 2080 - 2080 Super - 2080 Ti. 12 cards, only a 3 card increase from Pascal. 

 

AMD's current offerings are the 5700, 5700 XT, and on the high end the Radeon VII (came out at the same time as Turing, is still AMD's flagship, kinda sorta discontinued but also not). Then they have the 5500 and 5500 XT you mentioned as well, which will bring the total to 5 cards so far ( RX 5000 and Vega 7nm/Vega II series). A lot less than Nvidia, but they're also still selling the whole RX 500 series as well AFAIK. I assume they've stopped making the RX Vega line, but they may not have? 

Point being neither manufacturer is innocent, both have massively convoluted product lines for various reasons. 

oh I got infected by the amd fanboys sorry

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, redbread123 said:

oh I got infected by the amd fanboys sorry

Is aight, lol. These forums are incredibly pro-AMD, often ignoring or discounting any advantages other OEMs (currently Intel for CPUs and Nvidia for GPUs, Intel isn't in the GPU game yet and probably won't hardcore compete for a while) have because they cost a bit more. Mebbe it's not so much pro-AMD, but pro-absolute most performance possible for the least amount of money when in reality, people will often just pay a bit more for a better experience. 

[BTGbullseye]

20 hours ago, B U B B A J said:

For pure live streaming. Which GPU would work better?

If you're using OBS, you can put the AMD Navi cards in the running. Their hardware encoder is now on-par with NVENC, if the software supports it properly. OBS has a pre-release update that enable full proper support for it. Releases · obsproject/obs-amd-encoder · GitHub

[Quadriplegic]

19 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

There were more than 4:

 

7 of them, Polaris also didn't have a high end. High end was Vega 56, 64, and LE (a 64 with pro driver options and twice the VRAM). Whereas Pascal was 1030 - 1050 - 1050 Ti - 1060 3GB - 1060 6GB - 1070 - 1070 Ti - 1080 - 1080 Ti by the time it was discontinued. 9 GPUs vs the 10 AMD had at the time (RX 500 and RX Vega series). 
 

If only it were that simle. This is the list of Pascal based cards:
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/?generation=GeForce+10&sort=generation

And if I remember right, there was also RX 580 2048SP, basically rebranded RX 570