Help wanted, need advice

[CrossingTropic]

This is the first time i posted on here i made this account just for this post. This is the first and only pc that i put together myself and its the only one i have. I put it together probably ( more or less )about 2 years ago and i built it on a very tight budget. These are the components i have in it 

 

Motherboard - is an MSI H110M Gaming. Processor / (CPU) - Intel Pentium G4400 @3.30GHZ

Ram x2 - Geil EVO POTENZA 16GB

Power supply - Power up! ATX Switching power supply @ 800watts ( its was the only psu i could afford  while being 800 watts)

Case - Compac ( i dont know the specific molde of the case it an from a old dead compac pc)

Hard drive - main drive is Lenovo 1TB, 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb

 

The problem im having as been going on for a little more then a year now and i still have no idea what to do but anytime i go to power it on nothing happens but if i hold the power button down after about 5-10 seconds the light next to cmos battery blinks in this pattern, if i counted the blinks right i believe its, 1 long 8 or 9 short then 1 long  binks let me know if i wrong. (i probably am) but see attached video to see the blinks code, the motherboard has "ez debug lights" for vga, dram, and cpu but none of them debug lights light up its only that blue light next the battery. Ive looked through the manual and the msi website  plus countless Google seach results and can not find anything that tells me what the blink code means, ive tryed dismantling the whole computer and puting it back together  piece by piece  and trying to power it on after each component being added. Ive tryed swapping the sticks of ram around and trying each stick by its self. Are the flashs of this light the same as beep codes because i dont have a motherboard speaker. Thank you reading this and i greatly appreciate any and all help anyone can give ill try to answer any and all questions anyone has to best of my abilities 

[BecauseICanTBH]

I don't think I've ever had quite the same issue, but I know I've had my PC simply not turn on when I hit the power button. I have an MSI board too and it seems like some sort of built in surge protection after something unusual happens with the power. 

 

I've always been able to resolve it by unplugging any sources of power from the PC for about 30 seconds. That includes USB devices that are externally powered.

 

That's probably not the issue here but that's all I've got.

[martward]

Well I'd start by throwing that PSU out, preferably far far away, I'm not sure whether power up! is a brand (can't seem to find it) but that sounds suspicious af. Also nothing in you specifications suggests that you need anywhere near 800W of power, unless you've added like 4 GPUs. Could very well be that something isn't getting power or not the right amount of power.

[GenericFanboy]

I mean its probably the cmos battery¿ i'm gonna take the fair guess you've tried replacing that you've already done that. If not. yknow, do that?

[GenericFanboy]

Just now, yaboistar said:

unless something is really wrong, cmos batteries take literal years to die and computers will still boot without them, but won't retain any cmos settings or the date/time

 

i have a motherboard from 2009 kicking around with the original battery in it and it still remembers what it is

I mean, it just seems obvious to me. Its blinking next to the cmos battery, There's no specific code found (which i assume is because it just doesnt happen a lot, like you said) And i mean. Why not try? If it doesnt work; new thing learned. 

[Master Disaster]

Start by removing anything not essential to boot, unplug any SSDs, HDDs, CD Drives, PCIe cards (except GPU).

 

Next double check wiring, there should be a 24 pin and either a 4 or 8 pin connection to the board for power, the system will not boot without both.

 

Remove 1 stick of RAM and try with only 1.

 

Next do a CMOS reset. Remove the power plug from the PSU, locate the coin cell battery on the board and remove it, leave it out for a few minutes, put battery back, reconnect plug, try booting.

[CrossingTropic]

33 minutes ago, yaboistar said:

have you tried another power supply? i don't know why you'd need an 800w PSU for that system but if you've gone for the cheapest "high output" psu available, that's your weakest link and where you should start faulting.

My friend  that was helping me pick out parts insisted that we had to use 800 watts. Im start looking into geting a new psu 

[Master Disaster]

1 minute ago, CrossingTropic said:

My friend  that was helping me pick out parts insisted that we had to use 800 watts. Im start looking into geting a new psu 

Your friend is an idiot and you should tell him so next time you see him

*This is a joke btw

 

Please make sure both the 24 pin and 4 or 8 pin powers are connected properly.

 

You can do a PSU test using this method

 

[CrossingTropic]

9 minutes ago, yaboistar said:

further update - i can't find anything specifically referencing your board but i have found others who have had other msi boards with a blue flashing LED in a similar position and an inability to boot. general advice has been to check power cabling and front-panel cabling, trying another PSU and even to remove the whole system from the case and try to boot on a cardboard box (to eliminate any possiblity of a 

15 minutes ago, yaboistar said:

OP, according to the manual there are three lights on the right hand side of the motherboard marked CPU, DRAM and VGA. Are any of those flashing?

I can't find anything in the manual so far referencing the light you've showed us

 

Yes these led are on the other side of the sticks of rams but none of them flash or anything the only light that comes on is the one next to the battery 

[Spotty]

5 minutes ago, CrossingTropic said:

My friend  that was helping me pick out parts insisted that we had to use 800 watts. Im start looking into geting a new psu 

Tell him that your system with a Pentium G4400 will consume less than 80W under load.

 

Can you post a photo of the label on your power supply?

[CrossingTropic]

6 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Tell him that your system with a Pentium G4400 will consume less than 80W under load.

 

Can you post a photo of the label on your power supply?

[SavageNeo]

1 minute ago, CrossingTropic said:

WOW never seen something like that before, mayby im just spoiled

[Spotty]

That power supply needs to be replaced. Just hope that it didn't kill your motherboard and other hardware.

[GenericFanboy]

26 minutes ago, CrossingTropic said:

My friend  that was helping me pick out parts insisted that we had to use 800 watts. Im start looking into geting a new psu 

Your friend.. Really should either pick up on yknow, actually learning a thing or 2 before he suggests stuff like that. Could've cut cost on your pc. Bit confusing why you followed that advice aswell haha, Maybe next time ask on a forum. Like here. 

[SavageNeo]

Never cheap on power supplys, if they break your system could break whit it. Alwasy try to get atleast 80+bronze.

For your system i would get 400w psu.

 

https://www.amazon.com/Seasonic-SGX-450-Modular-Warranty-SSR-450SGX/dp/B07J317QZJ/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=seasonic+450w+gold&qid=1573639704&sr=8-1

[LukeSavenije]

17 minutes ago, CrossingTropic said:

 

that's... not even a 800w psu if i look at 12v current

 

what would your budget and country be for a replacement?

[CrossingTropic]

3 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

that's... not even a 800w psu if i look at 12v current

 

what would your budget and country be for a my budget as of now probably around 60 -70 $ my country would be usa 

 

[CrossingTropic]

6 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

that's... not even a 800w psu if i look at 12v current

 

what would your budget and country be for a replacement?

 my budget as of now probably around 60 -70 $ my country would be usa 

[SavageNeo]

Just now, CrossingTropic said:

 my budget as of now probably around 60 -70 $ my country would be usa 

https://www.amazon.com/Seasonic-SGX-450-Modular-Warranty-SSR-450SGX/dp/B07J317QZJ/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=seasonic+450w+gold&qid=1573639704&sr=8-1

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, CrossingTropic said:

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CZvZxr/bitfenix-whisper-m-550w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-bp-wg550umag-7fm this would be my best offer, but is a bit above budget

 

cheaper alternatives would be

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Q7L7YJ/corsair-cx-2017-450w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-cp-9020120-na

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FdRFf7/corsair-cx-2017-550w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-cp-9020121-na

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, SavageNeo said:

https://www.amazon.com/Seasonic-SGX-450-Modular-Warranty-SSR-450SGX/dp/B07J317QZJ/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=seasonic+450w+gold&qid=1573639704&sr=8-1

any reason you'd put a sfx-l where full size would fit?

[CrossingTropic]

35 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Your friend is an idiot and you should tell him so next time you see him

*This is a joke btw

 

Please make sure both the 24 pin and 4 or 8 pin powers are connected properly.

 

You can do a PSU test using this method

 

I did this test with a of scap wire as i didnt have a paper clip and the fans didnt move 

[SavageNeo]

Just now, LukeSavenije said:

any reason you'd put a sfx-l where full size would fit?

Wait i live in finland and my computer related market says that atx. like wtf. Anyway get atx

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, SavageNeo said:

Wait i live in finland and my computer related market says that atx. like wtf. Anyway get atx

sure you don't have the gx in mind?

[CrossingTropic]

Thank you for the advice im going to be getting a new power supply  and ill update this when i get it if fixed it or not