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xKitex
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Hello!

CURRENT PC:

(Ram) Corsair Vengeance 24 GB ( 6 x 4 GB ) DDR3 1600 MHz (PC3 12800) 240-Pin DDR3 Memory Kit for Intel Core i7 SDRAM CMZ12GX3M3A1600C9

(GPU) EVGA EVGA GeForce GTX TITAN SuperClocked 6GB GDDR5 384bit, Dual-Link DVI-I, DVI-D, HDMI,DP, SLI Ready Graphics Card Graphics Cards 06G-P4-2791-KR

(CPU) Intel i7 990x @ 3.47GHz

(MOBO) EVGA X58 SLI 

(Monitor) LG 34UC80-B 34 Ultrawide 60Hz

1. Budget & Location

USA. $1000-$1500, will spend more over time to get my system to current tech. 

2. Aim

Ultra settings in 2020 games, faster load times, the highest frames, 4K ultra wide capable,and to be able to use a secondary 1080 monitor for maps and such while playing games in windowed.TL;DR best experience available.

3. Monitors

Happy with the one I have until reasonable priced HDR/OLED 144Hz/high frames comes to ultra wide, but if i'm being stupid please let me know :D 

4. Peripherals

Headset maybe??  I'm using a CORSAIR Void PRO currently. Would like something more isolating.

5. Why are you upgrading?

I built my PC back in 2011 and I haven't felt the need to upgrade until now but I'm playing with the idea now. I FEEL(?) like upgrading from a Reeeaaaallly old SATA SSD to a M.2 PCIE storage for boot drive and most played games would help with load times but for that I think I need to change my motherboard and CPU? I know my GPU is something I want to replace unless there's a reason to wait, I'm unsure if I would want to wait a whole year though.

 

Any input would be very much appreciated! :D Thanks!

 

P.S. I'm still running windows 7, time to upgrade. What version of 10 should I get presuming there's a paywall for ram/hardware? (like windows 7). Also I have a case and power supply :D

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Keep the Nvidia Titan, it's still a very good card. Get Windows 10 Pro.

 

Here's my suggestion based on your price:

 

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor $471.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler $89.90 @ Amazon
Motherboard Asus ROG STRIX Z390-E GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $232.99 @ Amazon
Memory Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory $184.99 @ Newegg
Storage Samsung 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $169.99 @ B&H
Case Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case $89.99 @ Walmart
Power Supply EVGA SuperNOVA G3 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $142.46 @ Amazon
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total $1382.31
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-12 19:58 EST-0500  
 

 

The deep blue sky is infinitely high and crystal clear.

私はオタクではありません。

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1 minute ago, Xiee said:

Keep the Nvidia Titan, it's still a very good card.

 

Here's my suggestion based on your price:

 

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor $471.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler $89.90 @ Amazon
Motherboard Asus ROG STRIX Z390-E GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $232.99 @ Amazon
Memory Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory $184.99 @ Newegg
Storage Samsung 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $169.99 @ B&H
Case Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case $89.99 @ Walmart
Power Supply EVGA SuperNOVA G3 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $129.99 @ Amazon
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total $1369.84
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-12 19:56 EST-0500  

 

I think you can save about $50 or more if you have 3700x and a sub $200 motherboard like X570 TUF Gaming.

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6 minutes ago, Xiee said:

Keep the Nvidia Titan, it's still a very good card.

I won't call a fully unlocked Kepler card "very good", especially with a 3440x1440 monitor. Back when this card is new such monitors don't even exist.

 

17 minutes ago, xKitex said:

for that I think I need to change my motherboard and CPU? 

dont need new CPU or board for faster storage, the CPU's speed is the reason for upgrading in the first place.

 

18 minutes ago, xKitex said:

Ultra settings in 2020 games ... 144Hz

at 3440x1440 resolution, that calls for a 2080ti that alone will eat all the budget. Even a 2070 Super (more reasonable to fit in a $1000-1500 budget, also the faster card will still decent value) will do 2560x1440 (so lower res) ultra settings in more reasonable demanding games at about 80-100fps. Of course, unless you dont meant to play any AAA games.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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I want to upgrade my GPU because I have an average 24fps on Red dead that drops to maybe single digits during intense areas.  I think the recommended is the GTX2080?

For the i9-9900K will that age well at base clock? I'm not sure I would want to overclock it. Is DDR4-3600 the fastest class of ram out currently? 

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9 minutes ago, xKitex said:

I want to upgrade my GPU because I have an average 24fps on Red dead that drops to maybe single digits during intense areas.  I think the recommended is the GTX2080?

For the i9-9900K will that age well at base clock? I'm not sure I would want to overclock it. Is DDR4-3600 the fastest class of ram out currently? 

The 2080ti will definitely be a good choice to get, or maybe even the 2070 super. You might be able to save some money if you go for the Radeon 5700XT (which is the 2070's supposed equal).

If you're lucky with the silicon lottery you might be able to push the 9900K to 5 ghz. Otherwise, you can get the 9900KS which can be easily upped to 5 ghz.

PC Partpicker lists a Corsair Vengeance LPX 16gb kit at 5000mhz, so I guess that's the fastest you can currently buy (and also the most expensive). 3600mhz is the "sweet spot" as others have claimed which is why I suggested this.

 

9 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

I won't call a fully unlocked Kepler card "very good", especially with a 3440x1440 monitor. Back when this card is new such monitors don't even exist.

Ah yeah, thanks for pointing this out, I overlooked it. 

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5 minutes ago, xKitex said:

I want to upgrade my GPU because I have an average 24fps on Red dead that drops to maybe single digits during intense areas.   I think the recommended is the GTX2080?

Red Dead 2 is the really GPU hungry one, you can pretty much forget high refresh rate with this budget. RTX 2070 Super offers more for the money and makes more sense for this budget, tho the RTX 2080 isn't a bad choice if it somehow fits in the budget (I havent start a list for sure yet)

 

7 minutes ago, xKitex said:

For the i9-9900K will that age well at base clock? I'm not sure I would want to overclock it.

Base is 3.6GHz which is does not fare well, but stock all core turbo is 4.7GHz and is really fast. It's also too expensive when in gaming performance, it doesn't really pull away from the 9700k anywhere close to the price gap.

 

9 minutes ago, xKitex said:

Is DDR4-3600 the fastest class of ram out currently? 

Fastest rated DDR4 is like 4800MHz (5000MHz kits didnt really make it to retail, tho they were launched). 3600MHz is the best value if you want more than 3000 or 3200 though

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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dont need new CPU or board for faster storage, the CPU's speed is the reason for upgrading in the first place.

  So my load times are taking so long because of my CPU? 

 

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at 3440x1440 resolution, that calls for a 2080ti that alone will eat all the budget. Even a 2070 Super (more reasonable to fit in a $1000-1500 budget, also the faster card will still decent value) will do 2560x1440 (so lower res) ultra settings in more reasonable demanding games at about 80-100fps. Of course, unless you dont meant to play any AAA games.

Yes, I'm expecting to spend more than $1500. That's more accurately my now budget. I'm wondering if there's a reason to wait on upgrading to a better GPU right now or just go with a 2080ti? I think that's the "top of the line" card out right now?

 

 

 

 

Also I have a case, power supply, and peripherals.

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Base is 3.6GHz which is does not fare well, but stock all core turbo is 4.7GHz and is really fast. It's also too expensive when in gaming performance, it doesn't really pull away from the 9700k anywhere close to the price gap.

Are there long term effects from overclocking? My understanding is that it will burn out the CPU quicker? (Sorry if this is a stupid question) 

 

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Fastest rated DDR4 is like 4800MHz (5000MHz kits didnt really make it to retail, tho they were launched). 3600MHz is the best value if you want more than 3000 or 3200 though

Is there a noticeable benefit from faster ram than the 3600.

 

Being not computer savvy I'm hoping to upgrade all my hardware and not worry about upgrading for a while. 

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26 minutes ago, xKitex said:

Are there long term effects from overclocking?

No.

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Desktop: i9-13900K, ASUS Z790-E, 64GB DDR5-6000 CL36, RTX3080, 2TB MP600 Pro XT, 2TB SX8200Pro, 2x16TB Ironwolf RAID0, Corsair HX1200, Antec Vortex 360 AIO, Thermaltake Versa H25 TG, Samsung 4K curved 49" TV, 23" secondary, Mountain Everest Max

Mobile SFF rig: i9-9900K, Noctua NH-L9i, Asrock Z390 Phantom ITX-AC, 32GB, GTX1070, 2x1TB SX8200Pro RAID0, 2x5TB 2.5" HDD RAID0, Athena 500W Flex (Noctua fan), Custom 4.7l 3D printed case

 

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