Intel vs. AMD Competition

[Coopermar]

I have basically decided that I am going to get the 9900k and the asus-z390-f. However, I am having second thoughts. Do you think intel finally having competition, really strong competition that is, will force them to lower prices/come out with better cpus in general? I am asking because I don't plan on upgrading my cpu again for at least 4 or 5 years and I don't want to buy the 9900k on black friday, only to see Intel release their 10nm next year that blow AMD out of the water.

[Fasauceome]

11 minutes ago, Coopermar said:

I don't want to buy the 9900k on black friday, only to see Intel release their 10nm next year that blow AMD out of the water.

but AMD isn't finished, there is one more Ryzen generation for their current platform. Intel will release a CPU line that comes out ahead, but then AMD will come right back with Zen 2+ or Zen 3 or whatever they call the new microarchitecture.

 

Buying Ryzen now will allow you to upgrade to that next generation, while buying Intel now will cap you off at the 9900K.

[NinJake]

I put off building my first computer for 4 years because every year I would have second thoughts saying, "I mind as well just keep this saved money and put it towards next years tech, it will be more powerful right?". Well it turns out until you actually pull the trigger and buy the parts you'll be stuck in an endless loop of "waiting for the next best thing".

 

You either move on with your decision, or you wait. Just be aware you'll have the same exact thoughts if you wait until next year.

[Epimetheus]

Hate to break it to ya, but Intel isn't probably going to blow amd out of the water anytime soon, since they cancelled the 10nm projects on desktop and are going to move directly to 7nm in like 2021-2022. On the other hand, Amd is going to release 4th gen ryzen next year with an even better zen 3 architecture, so there's that

 

Edit: Apparently they didn't cancel the 10nm skus, but the next generation is still going to be on 14 nm and on a new socket, they're probably going to be nuclear reactors and not bring much in terms of gaming performance in the high end of the market

[Flying Sausages]

Amd 

[Coopermar]

6 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

but AMD isn't finished, there is one more Ryzen generation for their current platform. Intel will release a CPU line that comes out ahead, but then AMD will come right back with Zen 2+ or Zen 3 or whatever they call the new microarchitecture.

 

Buying Ryzen now will allow you to upgrade to that next generation, while buying Intel now will cap you off at the 9900K.

Ok so then what do you suggest? I have like 600-700 to spend. I need to get a motherboard and cooling. I had everything planned out with the asus-z390-f, 9900k, and dark pro 4. Could I get something with AMD for better at the same price?

[porina]

Don't expect Intel to have a meaningful response on desktop in the next year. Rumours are they're close to their 10th gen release, but this only gets you to 10 cores still on 14nm. Figure at least a year before the generation after that which might finally make 10nm with unknown performance.

 

Being realistic, the 9900k isn't going to hold you back for general uses for a long time, unless you come across a use that that NEEDs more cores. There is more of an upgrade path with AMD now, in that you could go up to 16 cores on consumer socket should you need more later on. 

[Coopermar]

2 minutes ago, porina said:

Don't expect Intel to have a meaningful response on desktop in the next year. Rumours are they're close to their 10th gen release, but this only gets you to 10 cores still on 14nm. Figure at least a year before the generation after that which might finally make 10nm with unknown performance.

 

Being realistic, the 9900k isn't going to hold you back for general uses for a long time, unless you come across a use that that NEEDs more cores. There is more of an upgrade path with AMD now, in that you could go up to 16 cores on consumer socket should you need more later on. 

Yea but I am really only planning on using it for gaming. I have an i5 4460 right now and it bottlenecks my 1060 6gb really hard. I know the 1060 isn't the greatest, but it does pretty well in most games. I would like, however, to be able to run chrome/music/discord in the background without worry while playing, which is why I opted for the 9900k over the 9700k(16threads vs 8 threads)

[Mister Woof]

9 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

but AMD isn't finished, there is one more Ryzen generation for their current platform. Intel will release a CPU line that comes out ahead, but then AMD will come right back with Zen 2+ or Zen 3 or whatever they call the new microarchitecture.

 

Buying Ryzen now will allow you to upgrade to that next generation, while buying Intel now will cap you off at the 9900K.

I agree with you a lot, but upgrading so close in generations is usually a bad move either way, unless you buy the cheapest slowest chip today (generally inadvisable imo)

 

Especially given they aren't planning on upgrading for 4-5 years, CPU upgrades on the same motherboard is not something that i believe is really a worthwhile feature.

 

Reassess everything in 4-5 years and buy all new stuffs.

 

But I respect your opinion.

 

 

[Coopermar]

1 minute ago, Plutosaurus said:

I agree with you a lot, but upgrading so close in generations is usually a bad move either way, unless you buy the cheapest slowest chip today (generally inadvisable imo)

 

Especially given they aren't planning on upgrading for 4-5 years, CPU upgrades on the same motherboard is not something that i believe is really a worthwhile feature.

 

Reassess everything in 4-5 years and buy all new stuffs.

 

But I respect your opinion.

 

 

So are you saying 9900k over AMD?

[Epimetheus]

1 minute ago, Coopermar said:

Yea but I am really only planning on using it for gaming. I have an i5 4460 right now and it bottlenecks my 1060 6gb really hard. I know the 1060 isn't the greatest, but it does pretty well in most games. I would like, however, to be able to run chrome/music/discord in the background without worry while playing, which is why I opted for the 9900k over the 9700k(16threads vs

You're gonna get it paired with a 1060 6gb and are planning to use it for its multithreading performance? Definitely get a Ryzen 7 3700x then, it's 200 dollars less than the 9900k, has on par multithreaded performance and runs much cooler, so you can get a cheaper cooler, or just leave the stock one on. And then pair it with a good low end x570 board, like the asus prime model

[Jurrunio]

5 minutes ago, Coopermar said:

for the 9900k over the 9700k(16threads vs 8 threads)

AMD's selling 3700X (performance is like crap-bin 9900k) for 9700k money tho

 

and you can spend less money for cooling because 3700X gives out 100W of heat, not 200w+

[Epimetheus]

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$327.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	$89.90 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard	$198.32 @ B&H
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$616.21
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-06 11:54 EST-0500

This is what i'd suggest if you want to stick to the dark rock pro 4

[Coopermar]

Just now, Epimetheus said:

You're gonna get it paired with a 1060 6gb and are planning to use it for its multithreading performance? Definitely get a Ryzen 7 3700x then, it's 200 dollars less than the 9900k, has on par multithreaded performance and runs much cooler, so you can get a cheaper cooler, or just leave the stock one on. And then pair it with a good low end x570 board, like the asus prime model

I don't know how much I would be using the multithreading, it just made sense to me that having an extra 8 threads would help run background programs. I think the goal right now is to upgrade my cpu/motherboard now, upgrade ram or something during the year, and then upgrade greaphics either next year or the year after around christmas(hoping new 3000 series comes out or something like that). Do you think the extra 8 threads is worth it? Also, is the 3700x really on the same level given the much lower clock speeds? Sorry for so many questions, I just don't want to have to regret a $700 total purchase.

[Coopermar]

3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

AMD's selling 3700X (performance is like crap-bin 9900k) for 9700k money tho

 

and you can spend less money for cooling because 3700X gives out 100W of heat, not 200w+

What do you mean by "crap-bin" 9900k? You mean it gives almost the same performance? How futureproof is the 3700x?

 

[Fasauceome]

Just now, Coopermar said:

Could I get something with AMD for better at the same price?

Depends on the workload. Nothing surpasses the 9900K or KS at gaming, but the 3700X catches right up

[Fasauceome]

10 minutes ago, Plutosaurus said:

I agree with you a lot, but upgrading so close in generations is usually a bad move either way, unless you buy the cheapest slowest chip today (generally inadvisable imo)

 

Especially given they aren't planning on upgrading for 4-5 years, CPU upgrades on the same motherboard is not something that i believe is really a worthwhile feature.

 

Reassess everything in 4-5 years and buy all new stuffs.

 

But I respect your opinion.

 

 

I just mean to point out that it's unlikely for Intel to totally leave AMD in the dust come next release.

[Jurrunio]

3 minutes ago, Coopermar said:

What do you mean by "crap-bin" 9900k? You mean it gives almost the same performance? How futureproof is the 3700x?

 

crap-bin as in 9900k that runs lower frequency. 3700x still gets 8 core 16 threads, thus more suitable in multitasking than the 9700k

 

Before the 3700X gets obselete, at least 2nd gen and 3600 will get outdated first. Unless you do heavy work I dont see that coming for at least 3 years

[Epimetheus]

3 minutes ago, Coopermar said:

I don't know how much I would be using the multithreading, it just made sense to me that having an extra 8 threads would help run background programs. I think the goal right now is to upgrade my cpu/motherboard now, upgrade ram or something during the year, and then upgrade greaphics either next year or the year after around christmas(hoping new 3000 series comes out or something like that). Do you think the extra 8 threads is worth it? Also, is the 3700x really on the same level given the much lower clock speeds? Sorry for so many questions, I just don't want to have to regret a $700 total purchase.

Well, look at the reviews online and check for yourself if the difference is worth 200+ dollars or not. The extra threads are worth it for multitasking, not that much for gaming only, but it's only a matter of time until it'll become more relevant in that too

[Coopermar]

26 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

I just mean to point out that it's unlikely for Intel to totally leave AMD in the dust come next release.

I'm starting to consider the 9700k instead. How many programs would I have to have open at once to notice the difference between the two? In other words, will chrome/discord/spotify lag while I'm playing/tabbing out? 

[Fasauceome]

39 minutes ago, Coopermar said:

I'm starting to consider the 9700k instead. How many programs would I have to have open at once to notice the difference between the two? In other words, will chrome/discord/spotify lag while I'm playing/tabbing out? 

A ton of programs. Opening Spotify, chrome, etc is light multitasking. You can do it on a modern quad core. Heavy multitasking, like running a render and timeline scrubbing on 4K footage at the same time, that's gonna require more oomph.

 

For a gaming PC, the 9700K is suitable.

[Harry Voyager]

So I just did the jump to a Ryzen 3800X, and it is currently feeding my GTX 1080 TI Fe to the point that the GPU is now my limiting factor at 4k VR. The frame rate capture didn't work last night son will be trying a different tool tonight. I am getting equivalent single thread performance to a 9900k/ks/9700k cpu, and significantly better multi thread performance. 

 

Note, I was able to find the 3800X for $350 at Microcenter, so it is available for a good bit less than list price. 

[Mathieu9836]

Honestly i don't think Intel will come up with something a big step ahead before 2021 or 2022, they will just improve the 9900k, to the 9900ks, and then the 10900k maybe, all on the same arcitecture

[Mister Woof]

5 hours ago, Coopermar said:

So are you saying 9900k over AMD?

no, i'm saying buy a 3700x, upgrade your gpu in 2 years, and reassess everything in 4-5 years.

 

 

[GamerDude]

I have two Intel rigs (sold off the third Intel rig to make room for my recent Ryzen build), and when I was upgrading this year, I'd not even considered an Intel rig. It wasn't about cost, could have easily bought a 9900K/KS but with AMD offering 12C/24T 3900X for about the same price, I went with the latter. Built myself a pretty powerful rig, only thing holding me back is my PowerColor Vega64 Red Devil (from one of my other rigs) but is enough to tide me over till next year when Ampere and NAVI 23 debut. Even now, with the 3900X, I have the option to go 16C/32T with the 3950X if the performance difference proves to be substantial.