Ryzen or Intel?

[Joey61296]

I am at the cross road to choose either Ryzen or Intel. However, I am not very sure if now is the right time to build a new system. So I need some advice in the hope that will help me to decide on which one to choose from.

 

Just a little bit of background information. My existing system has the following parts:

1. CPU = i5-4690K
2. Mobo = Gigabyte GA B85 HD3
3. Mem = A-Tech 2x 8GB DDR3 1333MHz
4. Cooler = H60 (2018) AIO
5. GPU = Sapphire NITRO+ RX 570 4G G5
6. Case = Coolermaster Masterbox MB500
7. PSU = Coolermaster RS-700 700W
8. Monitor = BenQ GW2270
9. OS = Windows 10 1903 build

The problem I am getting is occasional stuttering when playing Battlefield V, The Outer Worlds and Farcry 5 New Dawn specially the audio during cut scenes. Is that a dated CPU or a low-end GPU? Another issue is that frequent reboot of the system when I overclock the CPU to 5.8GHz, voltage fed was 1.41V. It has been running for almost 6 months and for the last 3 weeks I have to fallback to stock speed.

 

I really miss the system, it is a good build. It seems to have been damaged because of the high voltage and the overclocking stuffed it up.  So I intend to build a new one.  Given Intel has been doing the job wonderfully for the last 4 years and it may be now is the high time to replace the old one.

 

I have heard many good things about Ryzen and not as much about Intel.  Should I go for Ryzen?  

 

 

 

[Slottr]

Depends what your budget is

 

If you're looking at a current i7, go for Ryzen's 3600 or 3700x.

[Vejnemojnen]

From price to performance ratio point of view, nothing on the market beats 3600& MSI B450 Gaming Plus MAX& 3200Mhz CL16 2x8gb RAM (either Micron-E or Hynix CJR dies).

 

A 25-30usd cooler (Gammaxx400, CM Hyper212 BE) will perfectly suffice! Even Snowman..

[Joey61296]

I'm really impressed by so many swift replies. Thanks a lot!

 

I heard about that all Ryzens are unlocked, so if I get a 3600, can it be overclocked to 5.8GHz like the 4690K?  And what cooler should I be using for such hyper overclock?

[Janne]

2 minutes ago, Joey61296 said:

I'm really impressed by so many swift replies. Thanks a lot!

 

I heard about that all Ryzens are unlocked, so if I get a 3600, can it be overclocked to 5.8GHz like the 4690K?  And what cooler should I be using for such hyper overclock?

No it can't. Ryzen CPUs are pretty much pedal to the metal straight out of the box. If you are lucky you can get 4,2 GHz on all cores

[SupaKomputa]

2 minutes ago, Joey61296 said:

I'm really impressed by so many swift replies. Thanks a lot!

 

I heard about that all Ryzens are unlocked, so if I get a 3600, can it be overclocked to 5.8GHz like the 4690K?  And what cooler should I be using for such hyper overclock?

Yes Ryzen is unlocked but 5.8 is crazy. You'll be lucky to hit 4.6, that should be the same peformance as 5+ghz 9900k tough.

[homeap5]

Consider better gpu first.

[Joey61296]

37 minutes ago, Janne said:

No it can't. Ryzen CPUs are pretty much pedal to the metal straight out of the box. If you are lucky you can get 4,2 GHz on all cores

So there is no boost clock speed as far as Ryzen is concerned.  That's ok, I suppose 4,2GHz is already fast enough. We are talking about 6x 4.2GHz of loading, so that's pretty  sufficient. 

Let's say I'm a bit of bad luck then, at least I would be getting 3.9GHz worst case of all?

[Joey61296]

38 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

Yes Ryzen is unlocked but 5.8 is crazy. You'll be lucky to hit 4.6, that should be the same peformance as 5+ghz 9900k tough.

Are there any record set?  I do understand that it's like lottery.  

[Janne]

2 minutes ago, Joey61296 said:

So there is no boost clock speed as far as Ryzen is concerned.  That's ok, I suppose 4,2GHz is already fast enough. We are talking about 6x 4.2GHz of loading, so that's pretty  sufficient. 

Let's say I'm a bit of bad luck then, at least I would be getting 3.9GHz worst case of all?

Definitely 3,9 GHz in all core loads, and definitely 4,2 GHz with light single core stuff etc. Keep in mind that ryzen at frequency 1 is faster than intel at frequency 1

 

1 minute ago, Joey61296 said:

Are there any record set?  I do understand that it's like lottery.  

5,8 GHz is impossible without sub-zero temperature cooling on literally any processor on the market right now

[Joey61296]

49 minutes ago, homeap5 said:

Consider better gpu first.

That's the most difficult choice for my case. As a matter of fact, prior to this RX 570 I was using an NVidia GTX 580, it was dead last Christmas. If I put money on a new GPU that will disrupt my plan.  I'll most likely keep this RX 570 for the time being. Put together the 3600 build and see how it goes with the games I play first.

 

I want to know one thing though, B450 is surely recommendable, as there are so many popular builds out there. But how long will this board last?  The other thing is that I just ordered a Sabrent 1TB Rocket NVMe PCIe 4.0, I m not sure if the B450 can take it?

 

Also, Corsair LPX Vengeance 3000MHz CL15 2x 8GB kit has already delivered to me. Is this speed and CAS good for a Ryzen 3rd system?

[Joey61296]

2 minutes ago, Janne said:

 Keep in mind that ryzen at frequency 1 is faster than intel at frequency 1

 

5,8 GHz is impossible without sub-zero temperature cooling on literally any processor on the market right now

Sorry I am lost about " ... ryzen at frequency 1 is faster than intel at frequency 1"

 

 

[Janne]

9 minutes ago, Joey61296 said:

Sorry I am lost about " ... ryzen at frequency 1 is faster than intel at frequency 1"

 

 

equal clock speed

[Joey61296]

5 minutes ago, Janne said:

equal clock speed

So you're saying that for an Intel running at 4,2GHz, we will obtain same frame rates from both systems?

 

I chance on the following which is a RX 570 + 3600 combo (useful info to me). But I have two questions:

1) When CPU usage is saying 50%, does it mean that only 6 cores are used at that instant, and the remaining 6 threads are idle? And When it says 75%, does it mean that 6 cores and 3 threads are used and remaining 3 threads are idle?

2) Why the CPU frequency is not holding at 4100MHz throughout the whole game?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s152zt8BYxw

[Janne]

2 minutes ago, Joey61296 said:

So you're saying that for an Intel running at 4,2GHz, we will obtain same frame rates from both systems?

 

I chance on the following which is a RX 570 + 3600 combo (useful info to me). But I have two questions:

1) When CPU usage is saying 50%, does it mean that only 6 cores are used at that instant, and the remaining 6 threads are idle? And When it says 75%, does it mean that 6 cores and 3 threads are used and remaining 3 threads are idle?

2) Why the CPU frequency is not holding at 4100MHz throughout the whole game?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s152zt8BYxw

1. 100% means all threads fully loaded. 50% then kinda means half the threads fully loaded, so 6 in the case of 3600. Also i think you have cores and threads backwards, 1 core = 2 threads

2. That's just how ryzen works, it's very dynamic like GPUs. They are clocked very high out of the box. Also you shouldn't really look at CPU usage/frequency in games, it's a pretty useless metric

 

and what i'm saying is that AMD at 4,2 GHz is faster than intel at 4,2 GHz

[Joey61296]

2 minutes ago, Janne said:

1. 100% means all threads fully loaded. 50% then kinda means half the threads fully loaded, so 6 in the case of 3600. Also i think you have cores and threads backwards, 1 core = 2 threads

2. That's just how ryzen works, it's very dynamic like GPUs. They are clocked very high out of the box. Also you shouldn't really look at CPU usage/frequency in games, it's a pretty useless metric

 

and what i'm saying is that AMD at 4,2 GHz is faster than intel at 4,2 GHz

Ok, I m sort of understand. So 2 threads are linked together physically to form a core. So why not say 3600 contains 12 cores, more straight forward?

That's what I am going to ask next: in the video I posted above, though the FPS is not 60, but I don't feel the game being jerky or stutters. Is that the difference between 12 cores+threads than Intel 12 cores+threads?

 

Janne, I have just purchased a kit of Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000MHz CL15 2x 8GB, is this freq/cas combo good for a Ryzen 5 3rd gen build?

Also, other than B450, would you recommend X470 or X570?

[Janne]

3 minutes ago, Joey61296 said:

Ok, I m sort of understand. So 2 threads are linked together physically to form a core. So why not say 3600 contains 12 cores, more straight forward?

That's what I am going to ask next: in the video I posted above, though the FPS is not 60, but I don't feel the game being jerky or stutters. Is that the difference between 12 cores+threads than Intel 12 cores+threads?

 

Janne, I have just purchased a kit of Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000MHz CL15 2x 8GB, is this freq/cas combo good for a Ryzen 5 3rd gen build?

Also, other than B450, would you recommend X470 or X570?

I don't know that much about the engineering of CPUs, but as far as i know threads aren't physical things like cores are, they are kinda like a software trick that practically works like a core. And i don't really understand what you are asking about AMD vs intel, i can just say that Ryzen 3600 is the CPU i recommend to you the most IF you indeed want a CPU upgrade. I have no idea why you experience stutters in your games. 

That RAM is good yes. 

X570 is the best platform, but of course more expensive. I recommend B450 if you have any technical aptitude and can install a new BIOS for the motherboard.

[Joey61296]

2 minutes ago, Janne said:

I don't know that much about the engineering of CPUs, but as far as i know threads aren't physical things like cores are, they are kinda like a software trick that practically works like a core. And i don't really understand what you are asking about AMD vs intel, i can just say that Ryzen 3600 is the CPU i recommend to you the most IF you indeed want a CPU upgrade. I have no idea why you experience stutters in your games. 

That RAM is good yes. 

X570 is the best platform, but of course more expensive. I recommend B450 if you have any technical aptitude and can install a new BIOS for the motherboard.

Oh I wish I were a technical geek. I am not. I have been an end user all these years ever since I build PC for gaming. I built 2 PC before. For some time I thought I would go for Intel because it is plug and play.  My current PC's BIOS is user friendly. If I don't tweak the voltage, I can just click on a button and the system will be overclocked.

This is the video I mentioned before.

RX 570 + 3600

 

I am also expecting the delivery of a Sabrent 1TB Rocket NVMe PCIe 4.0 drive. I understand only X570 provides the facilities to operate PCIe 4.0 NVMe drive. Which brand of X570 is more robust?

 

Also, if I build a Ryzen system, do I need to go into the BIOS to tweak some settings in order to get the system run for the first time?

[Janne]

1 minute ago, Joey61296 said:

Oh I wish I were a technical geek. I am not. I have been an end user all these years ever since I build PC for gaming. I built 2 PC before. For some time I thought I would go for Intel because it is plug and play.  My current PC's BIOS is user friendly. If I don't tweak the voltage, I can just click on a button and the system will be overclocked.

This is the video I mentioned before.

RX 570 + 3600

 

I am also expecting the delivery of a Sabrent 1TB Rocket NVMe PCIe 4.0 drive. I understand only X570 provides the facilities to operate PCIe 4.0 NVMe drive. Which brand of X570 is more robust?

 

Also, if I build a Ryzen system, do I need to go into the BIOS to tweak some settings in order to get the system run for the first time?

Yes indeed you need X570 if you want PCIe 4.0. Gigabyte's Aorus Elite and Asus' TUF gaming are the most recommended X570 boards.

Basically the only thing you should tinker in the BIOS is enabling XMP profile of the RAM, anyone can do that. And even that isnt necessary, it just makes your RAM run at 3000 MHz instead of 2133 MHz.

[Joey61296]

1 minute ago, Janne said:

Yes indeed you need X570 if you want PCIe 4.0. Gigabyte's Aorus Elite and Asus' TUF gaming are the most recommended X570 boards.

Basically the only thing you should tinker in the BIOS is enabling XMP profile of the RAM, anyone can do that. And even that isnt necessary, it just makes your RAM run at 3000 MHz instead of 2133 MHz.

Copy that, thanks.

 

I have noticed that the specification of the 3600's core clock speed is 3.6. But when I look at other people's playing games, the clock speed reads 4.2. Is that speed upgrade done automatically when the game starts?

 

Sorry for all the silly questions, I am really a rookie in AMD CPUs

[Janne]

10 minutes ago, Joey61296 said:

Copy that, thanks.

 

I have noticed that the specification of the 3600's core clock speed is 3.6. But when I look at other people's playing games, the clock speed reads 4.2. Is that speed upgrade done automatically when the game starts?

 

Sorry for all the silly questions, I am really a rookie in AMD CPUs

Yeah the speed upgrade is done automatically. 3600 has a base clock of 3,6 GHz, which means it's guaranteed to hit at least that frequency under load. Boost clock is 4,2 GHz, which means that if the conditions (temperature, power) are met, it will boost automatically up to 4,2 GHz. 

[Joey61296]

Would my existing AIO which is a 120mm cooler sufficient to cool the CPU?