Posted September 9, 2019 Hello So... i have decided to build my self a new pc the rough budget is 3000+ € (with all the extras) Planned AMD system CPU-Ryzen 9 3900X MOBO-MSI MEG X570 ACE GPU-GIGABYTE AORUS GEFORCE RTX 2080 TI XTREME WATERFORCE WB 11GB GDDR6 PCIE GV-N208TAORUSX WB-11GC RAM-CORSAIR VENGEANCE RGB PRO BLACK 16GB 3600MHZ CL18 DDR4 Raw price of part-2496€ Planned Intel system CPU-i9 9900k GPU-GIGABYTE AORUS GEFORCE RTX 2080 TI XTREME WATERFORCE MOBO-Asus ROG Maximus XI Hero (Wi-Fi) RAM-CORSAIR VENGEANCE RGB PRO BLACK 16GB 3600MHZ CL18 DDR4 KIT OF 2 Raw price of parts -2361€ Im at the point where both systems present their +/- For me i mostly do gaming with light video / photo editing Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1102917-deciding-on-intelamd/ Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, anti gravity said: Hello So... i have decided to build my self a new pc the rough budget is 3000+ € (with all the extras) Planned AMD system CPU-Ryzen 9 3900X MOBO-MSI MEG X570 ACE GPU-GIGABYTE AORUS GEFORCE RTX 2080 TI XTREME WATERFORCE WB 11GB GDDR6 PCIE GV-N208TAORUSX WB-11GC RAM-CORSAIR VENGEANCE RGB PRO BLACK 16GB 3600MHZ CL18 DDR4 Raw price of part-2496€ Planned Intel system CPU-i9 9900k GPU-GIGABYTE AORUS GEFORCE RTX 2080 TI XTREME WATERFORCE MOBO-Asus ROG Maximus XI Hero (Wi-Fi) RAM-CORSAIR VENGEANCE RGB PRO BLACK 16GB 3600MHZ CL18 DDR4 KIT OF 2 Raw price of parts -2361€ Im at the point where both systems present their +/- For me i mostly do gaming with light video / photo editing What is the extra expense in the amd rig for? Can you give us the full builds? And what programs do you plan to use for your productivity works? Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1102917-deciding-on-intelamd/#findComment-12879583 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 9, 2019 I'd say that if you're gaming a lot more often than editing, go with the 9900K, but, if you're playing at 1440p or above, you might not even notice much of a difference in most titles between the 3900X and the 9900K, so in that case the 3900X would probably be the better option, since those extra cores can always come in handy when it comes to video editing. Desktop: Intel Core i9-9900K | ASUS Strix Z390-F | G.Skill Trident Z Neo 2x16GB @ 3200MHz CL14 | EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER XC Ultra | Corsair RM650x | Fractal Design Define R6 Laptop: 2018 Apple MacBook Pro 13" -- i5-8259U | 8GB LPDDR3 | 512GB NVMe Peripherals: Leopold FC660C w/ Topre Silent 45g | Logitech MX Master 3 & Razer Basilisk X HyperSpeed | HIFIMAN HE400se & iFi ZEN DAC | Audio-Technica AT2020USB+ Display: Gigabyte G34WQC Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1102917-deciding-on-intelamd/#findComment-12879586 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 9, 2019 Author Just now, Epimetheus said: What is the extra expense in the amd rig for? Can you give us the full builds? CASE-134€ CABLES- EPS 2x8-14€ PCIE 2x8-18€ ATX - 7€ WATER-635€ CONTROLERS- FAN HUB-20€ VERTICAL GPU-50€ Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1102917-deciding-on-intelamd/#findComment-12879588 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 9, 2019 Author 1 minute ago, Mateyyy said: I'd say that if you're gaming a lot more often than editing, go with the 9900K, but, if you're playing at 1440p or above, you might not even notice much of a difference in most titles between the 3900X and the 9900K, so in that case the 3900X would probably be the better option, since those extra cores can always come in handy when it comes to video editing. Well im using 2 1080p monitors a 24 and 26 inch Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1102917-deciding-on-intelamd/#findComment-12879597 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 9, 2019 I mean, that's something you're going to get regardless - what is that is giving you more cost specifically in the amd one? You can probably get the price down to the 9900k system, and then it's just a matter of taste. I'd personally get the 3900x, but the 9900k system is on par too. Only difference is with the ryzen system you get an upgrade path, but i don't know if it's something you care about Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1102917-deciding-on-intelamd/#findComment-12879602 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, anti gravity said: Well im using 2 1080p monitors a 24 and 26 inch 1080p at which refresh rates? Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1102917-deciding-on-intelamd/#findComment-12879604 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 9, 2019 Author 1 minute ago, Epimetheus said: I mean, that's something you're going to get regardless - what is that is giving you more cost specifically in the amd one? You can probably get the price down to the 9900k system, and then it's just a matter of taste. I'd personally get the 3900x, but the 9900k system is on par too. Only difference is with the ryzen system you get an upgrade path, but i don't know if it's something you care about Just now, Epimetheus said: 1080p at which refresh rates? 144hz both panels Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1102917-deciding-on-intelamd/#findComment-12879608 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 9, 2019 isn't that terribly overkill though? Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1102917-deciding-on-intelamd/#findComment-12879611 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 9, 2019 Author Just now, Epimetheus said: isn't that terribly overkill though? Do u mean the system yes it is but im planning to build it for the next 4 years because the one i have right now is kinda disappointing because i dident think long term Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1102917-deciding-on-intelamd/#findComment-12879617 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, anti gravity said: Do u mean the system yes it is but im planning to build it for the next 4 years because the one i have right now is kinda disappointing because i dident think long term Get a 3700X - almost the same performance as a 9900K while running much cooler, using far less power, being 200$ cheaper and not suffering from the severe Intel security vulnerabilities that make hyper-threading next to useless. Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1102917-deciding-on-intelamd/#findComment-12879627 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, anti gravity said: Do u mean the system yes it is but im planning to build it for the next 4 years because the one i have right now is kinda disappointing because i dident think long term The MEG is also absurd overkill. Even an Asus TuF X570 is more than enough for a 3900X. Wasting so much money on a motherboard is pointless Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1102917-deciding-on-intelamd/#findComment-12879633 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 9, 2019 Author 2 minutes ago, 5x5 said: Get a 3700X - almost the same performance as a 9900K while running much cooler, using far less power, being 200$ cheaper and not suffering from the severe Intel security vulnerabilities that make hyper-threading next to useless. Dident even consider that to be honest and u might be right because i severely doubt i will be able to use the all the 12 cores Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1102917-deciding-on-intelamd/#findComment-12879636 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 9, 2019 Author 1 minute ago, 5x5 said: The MEG is also absurd overkill. Even an Asus TuF X570 is more than enough for a 3900X. Wasting so much money on a motherboard is pointless I was planning to overclock it as im going with liquid cooling Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1102917-deciding-on-intelamd/#findComment-12879640 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 9, 2019 Just now, anti gravity said: Dident even consider that to be honest and u might be right because i severely doubt i will be able to use the all the 12 cores A 3700X is currently the best value high-end CPU and with an Asus TuF X570 you will save over 600$ without losing anything of note. It still comes with the Wraith Prism so you wont even need to buy a cooler Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1102917-deciding-on-intelamd/#findComment-12879643 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 9, 2019 Just now, anti gravity said: I was planning to overclock it as im going with liquid cooling Pointless - the best way to OC Ryzen is to enable PBO and not touch it yourself. PBO will give you FAR better results than manual tuning. What you SHOULD do is get low timings on the memory at DDR4-3600 - that's what really makes Ryzen reach its peak Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1102917-deciding-on-intelamd/#findComment-12879648 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 9, 2019 Author 1 minute ago, 5x5 said: A 3700X is currently the best value high-end CPU and with an Asus TuF X570 you will save over 600$ without losing anything of note. It still comes with the Wraith Prism so you wont even need to buy a cooler Im not saving allot of money if i go with the Asus board at best like 60 € Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1102917-deciding-on-intelamd/#findComment-12879651 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 9, 2019 Author 1 minute ago, 5x5 said: Pointless - the best way to OC Ryzen is to enable PBO and not touch it yourself. PBO will give you FAR better results than manual tuning. What you SHOULD do is get low timings on the memory at DDR4-3600 - that's what really makes Ryzen reach its peak I was planning to go with CORSAIR VENGEANCE RGB PRO BLACK 16GB 3600MHZ CL18 DDR4 KIT OF 2 but since im saving some money i can go with a cl 16 kit thats if i find a good deal on it Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1102917-deciding-on-intelamd/#findComment-12879653 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 9, 2019 This is my opinion, others may disagree. The systems are so comparable that it might as well come down to whether you prefer intel or AMD. I'm pretty impartial on CPUs at this point given the release of 3rd gen ryzen. I have been an intel guy for over 10 years and very recently switched to make my only computer an AMD system. The reason? Simple. It's the cost. I think the performance is so on par for the system I needed. Cost was nearly $300 less in my case. Ryzen does offer an upgrade path at least into next year, I seem to recall Intel is going to retire their current socket after this generation (someone please correct me if I'm wrong here). That may be worth considering. If you're really set on the parts you want then I'd probably lean on the Intel side since the build is slightly cheaper but obviously still of fantastic quality and performance. The performance will be so strong that you're not likely to notice any difference at all between the two builds for your needs (especially at this time). You won't even come close to asking your rig for all it can give. Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1102917-deciding-on-intelamd/#findComment-12879654 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 9, 2019 22 minutes ago, anti gravity said: Hello So... i have decided to build my self a new pc the rough budget is 3000+ € (with all the extras) Planned AMD system CPU-Ryzen 9 3900X MOBO-MSI MEG X570 ACE GPU-GIGABYTE AORUS GEFORCE RTX 2080 TI XTREME WATERFORCE WB 11GB GDDR6 PCIE GV-N208TAORUSX WB-11GC RAM-CORSAIR VENGEANCE RGB PRO BLACK 16GB 3600MHZ CL18 DDR4 Raw price of part-2496€ Planned Intel system CPU-i9 9900k GPU-GIGABYTE AORUS GEFORCE RTX 2080 TI XTREME WATERFORCE MOBO-Asus ROG Maximus XI Hero (Wi-Fi) RAM-CORSAIR VENGEANCE RGB PRO BLACK 16GB 3600MHZ CL18 DDR4 KIT OF 2 Raw price of parts -2361€ Im at the point where both systems present their +/- For me i mostly do gaming with light video / photo editing No brainer you pure gaming get the 9900k. If you dont game much it fine then get 12 core Ryzen or HT apps plus you want nvidia like speed at games then grab it. Asus Sabertooth x79 / 4930k @ 4500 @ 1.408v / Gigabyte WF 2080 RTX / Corsair VG 64GB @ 1866 & AX1600i & H115i Pro @ 2x Noctua NF-A14 / Carbide 330r Blackout Scarlett 2i2 Audio Interface / KRK Rokits 10" / Sennheiser HD 650 / Logitech G Pro Wireless Mouse & G915 Linear & G935 & C920 / SL 88 Grand / Cakewalk / NF-A14 Int P12 Ex AOC 40" 4k Curved / LG 55" OLED C9 120hz / LaCie Porsche Design 2TB & 500GB / Samsung 950 Pro 500GB / 850 Pro 500GB / Crucial m4 500GB / Asus M.2 Card Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1102917-deciding-on-intelamd/#findComment-12879655 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, anti gravity said: I was planning to go with CORSAIR VENGEANCE RGB PRO BLACK 16GB 3600MHZ CL18 DDR4 KIT OF 2 but since im saving some money i can go with a cl 16 kit thats if i find a good deal on it Yes, absolutely - CL18 is extremely loose. Try for 3600-CL16 That will make your life vastly more comfortable Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1102917-deciding-on-intelamd/#findComment-12879662 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 9, 2019 Author 5x5 made a good point that i should buy the 3700x which is cheaper and i will be able to get faster memory Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1102917-deciding-on-intelamd/#findComment-12879665 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 9, 2019 Author 19 minutes ago, 5x5 said: Pointless - the best way to OC Ryzen is to enable PBO and not touch it yourself. PBO will give you FAR better results than manual tuning. What you SHOULD do is get low timings on the memory at DDR4-3600 - that's what really makes Ryzen reach its peak So i did some browsing and i cant seam to find a 16gb 3600mhz cl16 ram Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1102917-deciding-on-intelamd/#findComment-12879708 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 9, 2019 1 minute ago, anti gravity said: So i did some browsing and i cant seam to find a 16gb 3600mhz cl16 ram https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VG97YJ/corsair-vengeance-rgb-pro-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-cmw16gx4m2k3600c16 Here you go -3600 with CL16-18-18 latency Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1102917-deciding-on-intelamd/#findComment-12879712 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 9, 2019 Author 2 minutes ago, 5x5 said: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VG97YJ/corsair-vengeance-rgb-pro-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-cmw16gx4m2k3600c16 Here you go -3600 with CL16-18-18 latency Doesnt shit to my country Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1102917-deciding-on-intelamd/#findComment-12879720 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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