New mac nvida driver?

[ianspy1]

Since apple released a new security patch yesterday the nvidia drviers are incompatible.... does somebody know if new nvidia drivers will be released

[Guest]

Most likely no. There are no existing drivers for macOS 10.14 upwards, only 10.13 and down, afaik.

Apple and nvidia are not friends anymore, now AMD is Apples best friend.

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What we know about 10.14.6 Update so far...

• macOS Build 18G84
• Updated Intel, NVIDIA, and AMD graphics drivers
  • Support for AMD Radeon VII graphics cards
  • NVIDIA Alternate Graphics Drivers have NOT been updated for macOS Mojave. Users of NVIDIA Maxwell or Pascal graphics cards should stay on macOS High Sierra.
• Updated audio drivers- established users of Mojave with AppleALC or VoodooHDA should not need to update.
• Updated USB drivers- those using Port Limit Removal patch will have to update to new patches for 10.14.6
• Install macOS Mojave App has been updated - If you downloaded macOS Mojave from the App Store prior to today, and you want to have the latest version on your backup installer USB, simply log into the Mac App Store and click Download. The updated Install macOS Mojave App can be found in the Applications folder.

 

[ianspy1]

Just now, lewdicrous said:

Most likely no. There are no existing drivers for macOS 10.14 upwards, only 10.13 and down, afaik.

Apple and nvidia are not friends anymore, now AMD is Apples best friend.

I know and I am running 10.13.6 but theres a new security build for 13.6...

[Guest]

1 minute ago, ianspy1 said:

I know and I am running 10.13.6 but theres a new security build for 13.6...

That I don't know of, you shouldn't update until you know it's safe to do so.

If you updated, try to revert to the previous version.

[DrMacintosh]

2 minutes ago, ianspy1 said:

I know and I am running 10.13.6 but theres a new security build for 13.6...

The solution is an AMD GPU. 

[ianspy1]

Just now, DrMacintosh said:

The solution is an AMD GPU. 

 

1 minute ago, lewdicrous said:

That I don't know of, you shouldn't update until you know it's safe to do so.

If you updated, try to revert to the previous version.

the probleme is that this patch isnt reversable and the pc is frome a coustumere. But I usualy dont work on Macs so I am out of ideas

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, ianspy1 said:

the probleme is that this patch isnt reversable and the pc is frome a coustumere.

Building a Hackintosh comes with hardware limitations, the customer has to know that. An AMD GPU is one of those limitations and there is no way around that. Tell them to buy an AMD Card so they can update their system. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, ianspy1 said:

the probleme is that this patch isnt reversable and the pc is frome a coustumere. But I usualy dont work on Macs so I am out of ideas

If they didn't make a backup before updating, then I don't really know how to help.

[ianspy1]

Just now, lewdicrous said:

If they didn't make a backup before updating, then I don't really know how to help.

so Its probably the best idea to reset it and reinstall 13.6?

[ianspy1]

1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

Building a Hackintosh comes with hardware limitations, the customer has to know that. An AMD GPU is one of those limitations and there is no way around that. Tell them to buy an AMD Card so they can update their system. 

I wish it was a hackintosh :,(

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, ianspy1 said:

I wish it was a hackintosh :,(

What is it then? An old Mac Pro? The same thing applies to those. Just because their is a PCIe slot doesn't mean any GPU can be put in there. 

[Guest]

Just now, ianspy1 said:

so Its probably the best idea to reset it and reinstall 13.6?

You have to ask the customer first, if they have any important files then they'll most likely lose them when you fresh install.

Just now, ianspy1 said:

I wish it was a hackintosh :,(

If it's an Apple product, then maybe they have a solution in their forum.

[ianspy1]

1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

What is it then? An old Mac Pro? The same thing applies to those. Just because their is a PCIe slot doesn't mean any GPU can be put in there. 

Its and mac pro and the gpu is the provided one

[ianspy1]

2 minutes ago, lewdicrous said:

You have to ask the customer first, if they have any important files then they'll most likely lose them when you fresh install.

If it's an Apple product, then maybe they have a solution in their forum.

The customer is an editor and has all his files on a server so that wont be an isue but I dont know if it reinstalls with the security patch

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, ianspy1 said:

Its and mac pro and the gpu is the provided one

Apple supports those old Mac Pros as long as they get a new GPU. Something like an RX 570 would be easy to pop in. 

[ianspy1]

Just now, DrMacintosh said:

Apple supports those old Mac Pros as long as they get a new GPU. Something like an RX 570 would be easy to pop in. 

Im sorry maybe I have to tell you my job  I work as a IT-Systemelktrician in a support companie for tv productions my job is to get the system up and running with the hardware installed but I am just not an expert in macs at all usually I work with the HP Z workstation lineup or with servers

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, ianspy1 said:

The customer is an editor and has all his files on a server so that wont be an isue but I dont know if it reinstalls with the security patch

That I'm not sure about, whenever my hackintosh had an issue, I'd just reinstall macOS, but mine uses the iGPU and not the dedicated one, so I don't know.

[harryk]

6 hours ago, ianspy1 said:

The customer is an editor and has all his files on a server so that wont be an isue but I dont know if it reinstalls with the security patch

You can try using the internet recovery mode to reinstall macOS. Using the third option (Shift-Option-⌘-R) should install an older version without the recent security patch. Then carefully download updates until you are on the version you need.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204904

 

If that doesn't work you can manually install any version of macOS that was supported on the hardware. The hurdle is getting a copy of the OS. You used to be able to download old versions from the Mac App store if you had previously downloaded them; they can be found under your purchase history. Though I just checked and they don't seem to be there anymore, at least not with Mojave. If you can download it or find a copy other ways you can use a tool called Diskmaker X to make a bootable USB or follow Apple's directions to do the same.

[mr moose]

6 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

Apple supports those old Mac Pros as long as they get a new GPU. Something like an RX 570 would be easy to pop in. 

Telling customers to buy new hardware (expensive hardware at that), because apple don't want to allow the use of the driver nvidia are happy to write for it is not support,  it is a kick in the teeth.  It is disgraceful and I can't fathom how any consumer would not feel sick in the guts at such disregard for someone who spent thousands on said product.

 

 

[DrMacintosh]

5 minutes ago, mr moose said:

It is disgraceful and I can't fathom how any consumer would not feel sick in the guts at such disregard for someone who spent thousands on said product.

Those people have wallets and they can vote with them. If they don't like what Apple has done with their desktops, they can stop buying them. If they wish to keep buying them, they have to work within the limits set by them. 

[harryk]

10 minutes ago, mr moose said:

Telling customers to buy new hardware (expensive hardware at that), because apple don't want to allow the use of the driver nvidia are happy to write for it is not support,  it is a kick in the teeth.  It is disgraceful and I can't fathom how any consumer would not feel sick in the guts at such disregard for someone who spent thousands on said product.

The cheese grater Mac Pro was last sold in 2013. Six years ago. This officially places it under the category of obsolete per Apple's guidelines so they only provide limited support. Sure it sucks, but time and technology move on. 

 

Furthermore, the last Mac Pro to be sold with an Nvidia GPU was in 2010, nine years ago. Not sure exactly what GPU OP has, but if its OEM then its a 2009-era machine, for which the latest supported OS is El Capitan 10.11. You can run newer, but it requires utilizing certain tricks which are definitely outside Apple's purview.

[mr moose]

1 hour ago, DrMacintosh said:

Those people have wallets and they can vote with them. If they don't like what Apple has done with their desktops, they can stop buying them. If they wish to keep buying them, they have to work within the limits set by them. 

 

That's not how it works, you can't just say vote with your wallet after the fact, Apple have actually stopped these machines from working. it's not just a case of obsolesces or working within known limitations,  Apple didn't say they would make the GPU unusable after X amount of years.

 

I can't believe anyone supports this behavior.

 

54 minutes ago, harryk said:

The cheese grater Mac Pro was last sold in 2013. Six years ago. This officially places it under the category of obsolete per Apple's guidelines so they only provide limited support. Sure it sucks, but time and technology move on. 

It has nothing to do with support, all apple has to do is literally tick a box that signs the NVIDIA drivers making them work.    Apple have effectively chosen to block anyone with an nvidia card in their products for no good reason, they are being arseholes to their customers.

 

54 minutes ago, harryk said:

Furthermore, the last Mac Pro to be sold with an Nvidia GPU was in 2010, nine years ago. Not sure exactly what GPU OP has, but if its OEM then its a 2009-era machine, for which the latest supported OS is El Capitan 10.11. You can run newer, but it requires utilizing certain tricks which are definitely outside Apple's purview.

 

Doesn't matter, they haven't hit a wall or obsolesces in hardware they can't avoid, NVIDIA are happy to make drivers for them, apple still release updates for them and people clearly are still using them.  This is vandalism more than anything.  Also apple were still selling nvidia based products in 2014.

[harryk]

51 minutes ago, mr moose said:

It has nothing to do with support, all apple has to do is literally tick a box that signs the NVIDIA drivers making them work.    Apple have effectively chosen to block anyone with an nvidia card in their products for no good reason, they are being arseholes to their customers.

I'm not aware what the underlying issue was, but if it was a security signing then it functioned exactly as it should. If there was a potential security flaw then Apple is responsible for fixing it. Apple is not responsible for making drivers for third party hardware. They have a very short list of tested and officially supported GPU's. Anything else is up to the manufacturer of the card, in this case Nvidia.

 

Speaking of, @ianspy1 Nvidia has released updated drivers: https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/149652/en-us?cjevent=f6fd3137b32911e980e0002e0a1c0e11

[mr moose]

13 minutes ago, harryk said:

I'm not aware what the underlying issue was, but if it was a security signing then it functioned exactly as it should. If there was a potential security flaw then Apple is responsible for fixing it. Apple is not responsible for making drivers for third party hardware.

The issue is not security,   Nvidia are hwilling to write the driver but apple won't let it be installed. 

 

13 minutes ago, harryk said:

They have a very short list of tested and officially supported GPU's. Anything else is up to the manufacturer of the card, in this case Nvidia.

See above,  Nvidia are willing to write the drivers, but apple are refusing to use it.  It seems apple are happy to test and ensure their latest OS works with the old hardware but are stopping short at allowing NVIDIA drivers to be used.

 

13 minutes ago, harryk said:

Speaking of, @ianspy1 Nvidia has released updated drivers: https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/149652/en-us?cjevent=f6fd3137b32911e980e0002e0a1c0e11