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Hi guys I'm finally building my first PC and as a long time forum lurker and channel follower wanted to get advice from a place I trust.

 

I've been playing around with pcpartpicker and I have this so far:

 

Budget is around 1500-1600 USD. (I already have peripherals, and recently bought a 1440p 100Hz Freesync monitor).

 

System is going to be used for Gaming, Software Development, and media consumption. (Maybe one day streaming or media production, but not likely).

 

Some other random info:

 

- I'm not really interested or have the much time to dedicate to OCing.

- I'm not sure what kind of cooler the setup above would need? 

- I want to be able to run most games at highest settings on my monitor

- I want this to be a fairly simple build to bit together as it's my first

- I don't feel strongly about any of the parts so feel free to rip apart / change the whole things, suggestions welcome!

 

I also had a look at the following thread but wanted some more personalized advice based on my use case.

 

Thanks in advance folks!

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8 minutes ago, EAK said:

System is going to be used for Gaming, Software Development, and media consumption. (Maybe one day streaming or media production, but not likely).

 

Some other random info:

 

- I'm not really interested or have the much time to dedicate to OCing.

- I'm not sure what kind of cooler the setup above would need? 

- I want to be able to run most games at highest settings on my monitor

- I want this to be a fairly simple build to bit together as it's my first

- I don't feel strongly about any of the parts so feel free to rip apart / change the whole things, suggestions welcome!

 

Since you are not interested in OC'ing and your alternative uses are software development and media consumption (don't know how to interpret that bit?). And maybe in the future streaming and media production. Any specific reason you would choose intel?

 

For your budget and your uses, i would go corecount and thus Ryzen. Especially the 3000 series looks very promising. and thus i have compiled the following based on that and your projected uses. I have taken into account the suspected pricing of the new parts, so you can swap out when the prices are actually known. 

 

The 2700 should cost roughly the same as a 3600 at launch, but i would really recommend you get a 3700x (or higher) with a B450 or B550 motherboard, which will offset the price difference. I have chosen slightly higher memory clock speeds to compliment the zen architecture and still fit within your budget.

I have not chosen a case, as picking a case will lead to useless discussions ;)

i have not chosen a 2ndary drive, but you can still add this if you wish.

I have taken a fully modular power supply, wanted to opt for a semi modular so you have the basics to connect stuck to the psu, but partpicker wouldn't let me and kept wining about missing connectors :S

You could skimp the cpu cooler, as you will get a stock cooler that performs very decent.

 

So you have roughly 150$ to play with, using the following build.

 

Gamesystem: X3700, 32GB memory @3200mhz, GTX1080 Hybrid

Unraid system: Epyc 7352, 24/48, 96GB ECC buffered @2666mhz, 2x GT710, GTX1050Ti

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Well done on your own research, seems like you have a pretty stellar build here!

Honestly, changing anything in your build will be more or less based on personal preference rather than optimizing.

I've been out of the game for a few months, almost a year, so I'm not sure where AMD's VEGA cards stand vs NVidias RTX, but if they're on par, close or ahead of NVidia I'd recommend one of those considering you have a freesync monitor!

 

Though I expect NVidia has a slight edge anyhow, and if you don't care about freesync that's that.

And since you have some budget left, why not go for a 2080?

I would possibly add one or two HDD's for storage, games eat storage for breakfast nowadays.

My personal setup is 4TB for storage and 3TB for games :)

 

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6 minutes ago, Caennanu said:

Forgot about the cooler, DRP4 is a good choice. 

Noctua D15 or any Corsair 240mm rad AIO would also do the trick.

 

Ryzen is a good choice for what OP does also, but going for the 2000-series now isn't super smart since the 3000-series is coming out soon, like @Caennanu said. So I'd only recommend going for Ryzen if you're willing to wait a bit. Ryzen is cheaper than Intels counterparts. Though getting a X470 is overill, no need.

 

The Samsung 970 is better than intels 660p.

 

750w is overkill, 550w or 650w is enough.

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23 minutes ago, MVPernula said:

Forgot about the cooler, DRP4 is a good choice. 

Noctua D15 or any Corsair 240mm rad AIO would also do the trick.

 

Ryzen is a good choice for what OP does also, but going for the 2000-series now isn't super smart since the 3000-series is coming out soon, like @Caennanu said. So I'd only recommend going for Ryzen if you're willing to wait a bit. Ryzen is cheaper than Intels counterparts. Though getting a X470 is overill, no need.

 

The Samsung 970 is better than intels 660p.

 

750w is overkill, 550w or 650w is enough.

Totally agree, i used the X470 chipset for the premium price, as i expect the B550's will cost more than the B450's currently cost.

750 watt is indeed overkill, i'd also chose a 550 or 650, but as stated pcpartpicker kept giving warnings about a missing connector and wanted to prevent confusion since its a first build.

 

Also considering its a first build, i wouldn't opt for an AIO, as it will introduce a couple of challenges, depending on the case and chosen AIO. Primarily the rigidity of the tube's, also its easier to clean an air cooler.

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Gamesystem: X3700, 32GB memory @3200mhz, GTX1080 Hybrid

Unraid system: Epyc 7352, 24/48, 96GB ECC buffered @2666mhz, 2x GT710, GTX1050Ti

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Its not a great build, wait and come back at the 7th. zen 2 is right around the corner, and you have a budget for a r7 3700x + B450 Tomahawk combo.

 

1 hour ago, EAK said:

Swap for mx500. 660p looses write speed as it fills up dramatically aswell as it lacks propper cache.

1 hour ago, EAK said:

Swap for Constallation ES 3TB

 

 

45 minutes ago, Caennanu said:

This is worse than OP build in a number of ways. Mostly in the value department.

 

Also the G3 isnt great. 

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1 hour ago, EAK said:

also had a look at the following thread but wanted some more personalized advice based on my use case.

Greta youve had the lookthrough of what we worked on earlier this year, hoping to have a bigger update post Zen, Super and Navi launch

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3 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Its not a great build, wait and come back at the 7th. zen 2 is right around the corner, and you have a budget for a r7 3700x + B450 Tomahawk combo.

 

Swap for mx500. 660p looses write speed as it fills up dramatically aswell as it lacks propper cache.

Swap for Constallation ES 3TB

 

 

This is worse than OP build in a number of ways. Mostly in the value department.

 

Also the G3 isnt great. 

so, make a suggestion based on the needs of the OP and we can discuss the pro's and con's between the two.

Simply saying its worse is not a valid argument.

Gamesystem: X3700, 32GB memory @3200mhz, GTX1080 Hybrid

Unraid system: Epyc 7352, 24/48, 96GB ECC buffered @2666mhz, 2x GT710, GTX1050Ti

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9 minutes ago, Caennanu said:

so, make a suggestion based on the needs of the OP and we can discuss the pro's and con's between the two.

Simply saying its worse is not a valid argument.

Im at work so i sadly cant put something together at the moment, but i can break down your build as to why

 

1 hour ago, Caennanu said:

Not a great PSU, especially for the price, i know you have adressed wattage, but you shpuld just mention the second EPS isnt needed.

 

1 hour ago, Caennanu said:

100$ more than the OP's choice for no good reason.

 

1 hour ago, Caennanu said:

Costs way more than OPs choice for no good reason.

1 hour ago, Caennanu said:

Overpriced and unneccasary. 

1 hour ago, MVPernula said:

Though I expect NVidia has a slight edge anyhow, and if you don't care about freesync that's that.

And since you have some budget left, why not go for a 2080?

2070 super is a thing now, also Nvidia unlocked freesync (finally) on their cards back in january. 

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1 hour ago, EAK said:

Budget is around 1500-1600 USD. (I already have peripherals, and recently bought a 1440p 100Hz Freesync monitor).

Im looking at the budget and estimating what is possible. 

 

For the time being, id wait for zen 2 and the x570 boards to drop. Super to get propper pricing and see how you land then.

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3 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Im at work so i sadly cant put something together at the moment, but i can break down your build as to why

 

Fair point, i too am at work ;)

3 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Not a great PSU, especially for the price, i know you have adressed wattage, but you shpuld just mention the second EPS isnt needed.

 

Yes i should have, not afraid to receive feedback. the 2nd EPS is indeed not needed. ill update my list.

4 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

100$ more than the OP's choice for no good reason.

 

Valid point too, will adjust the partlist.

5 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Costs way more than OPs choice for no good reason.

The higher clock speeds cause it to cost more, but yes i could select a $130 kit, i chose a slightly higher priced one simply to offer the option to have another kit with RGB or something of that shiny goodness (if you're into that). Have adjusted it on my new list.

 

7 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Overpriced and unneccasary. 

Overpriced maybe, unneccesary maybe, i took an evo 970 for the warranty that comes with samsung, and the ease of installing without cables for an M2 slot. It is ofcourse the OP's choise to go for these type of things or not, but i could have explained that a bit better.

 

So here the new list, compiled with the feedback (and i admit, i'm not entirely up to date on quality of PSU's, so feedback is welcome)

 

 

Gamesystem: X3700, 32GB memory @3200mhz, GTX1080 Hybrid

Unraid system: Epyc 7352, 24/48, 96GB ECC buffered @2666mhz, 2x GT710, GTX1050Ti

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5 minutes ago, Caennanu said:

The higher clock speeds cause it to cost more, but yes i could select a $130 kit, i chose a slightly higher priced one simply to offer the option to have another kit with RGB or something of that shiny goodness (if you're into that). Have adjusted it on my new list.

Or you could just do 3000mhz cl15 kits of 16 GB and ended for less. Atm 3000mhz is the sweetspot.

5 minutes ago, Caennanu said:

Overpriced maybe, unneccesary maybe, i took an evo 970 for the warranty that comes with samsung, and the ease of installing without cables for an M2 slot. It is ofcourse the OP's choise to go for these type of things or not, but i could have explained that a bit better.

Its unneccasary. A cached Sata drive is more than enough, Nvme is only useful for very specific tasks. The mx 500 being a great Sata drive for the price. 

 

The is also the EX920 for cheaper cached Nvme if you really want it. 

 

7 minutes ago, Caennanu said:

So here the new list, compiled with the feedback (and i admit, i'm not entirely up to date on quality of PSU's, so feedback is welcome)

Yeah, have a look at the PSU list on the forum, should give you some ideas. 

 

The new build looks allright. 

 

Atm i dont like recommending builds due to the change happening in like 6 days.

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13 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Or you could just do 3000mhz cl15 kits of 16 GB and ended for less. Atm 3000mhz is the sweetspot.

at this moment yes, but the 3000 series should benefit more from a 3200 kit.

Reducing the amount of total memory from 32gb to 16gb is a valid option, and the OP could opt to pick a 2nd kit in the future to upgrade to 32gb anyway if the need arises. 

Doing this however has a chance to cause clearance issues with the DRP4 i've chosen. Not to mention the mixing and matching of different kits.

 

16 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Its unneccasary. A cached Sata drive is more than enough, Nvme is only useful for very specific tasks. The mx 500 being a great Sata drive for the price. 

SSD will be sufficient yes, but the price difference if you ask me is negligable. $90 for this 970 or a WD Blue for $65. the 860 is also $90.

Samsung 2,5 860 evo costs $78 + the added anoyance of cables and cable management. the WD Blue costs $60.

25 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Yeah, have a look at the PSU list on the forum, should give you some ideas. 

Will do!

25 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Atm i dont like recommending builds due to the change happening in like 6 days

i agree, but since people are asking, it would be rude not to answer. That is also why i stated firstly that i would base my partpicker on the prices i expect from the 3000 series.

Gamesystem: X3700, 32GB memory @3200mhz, GTX1080 Hybrid

Unraid system: Epyc 7352, 24/48, 96GB ECC buffered @2666mhz, 2x GT710, GTX1050Ti

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21 minutes ago, Caennanu said:

at this moment yes, but the 3000 series should benefit more from a 3200 kit.

Reducing the amount of total memory from 32gb to 16gb is a valid option, and the OP could opt to pick a 2nd kit in the future to upgrade to 32gb anyway if the need arises. 

Well i was more aiming towards 2 sets of 16GB 8*2 kits. Which wouldnt be a half bad choice. 

 

22 minutes ago, Caennanu said:

SSD will be sufficient yes, but the price difference if you ask me is negligable. $90 for this 970 or a WD Blue for $65. the 860 is also $90.

Samsung 2,5 860 evo costs $78 + the added anoyance of cables and cable management. the WD Blue costs $60.

Its why i suggested the mx500 from Crucial. Its an amazing drive for the money. Money quickly adds up. WD blue ls cacheless. 

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47 minutes ago, Caennanu said:

i agree, but since people are asking, it would be rude not to answer. That is also why i stated firstly that i would base my partpicker on the prices i expect from the 3000 series.

You can input MSRP prices lf third gen in PCP btw. 

 

And i do answer, and the answer is wait 6 days. 

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2 hours ago, GoldenLag said:

...

5 hours ago, EAK said:

...

 

You can build a beast PC in that budget...

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($209.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock - Fatal1ty B450 GAMING K4 ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($79.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: Team - T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($56.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: ADATA - XPG SX6000 Pro 512 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($57.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Seagate - Constellation CS ISE 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB Black Video Card  ($1098.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: Corsair - Carbide Series 275R ATX Mid Tower Case  ($68.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Cooler Master - MWE Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($69.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1692.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-07-03 03:47 EDT-0400

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CPU - Ryzen 7 3700X

Mobo - ASRock X470 Taichi

Memory - G.Skill Trident Z RGB (8x2 3200MHz) 

Storage - Sabrent Rocket 1TB - Seagate Barracuda 2TBWD Black 1TB

GPU - MSI GeForce GTX 980Ti LIGHTNING

CaseFractal Design Meshify C

PSUSuper Flower Leadex II Gold 650W

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51 minutes ago, VEXICUS said:

You can build a beast PC in that budget...

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($209.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock - Fatal1ty B450 GAMING K4 ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($79.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: Team - T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($56.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: ADATA - XPG SX6000 Pro 512 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($57.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Seagate - Constellation CS ISE 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB Black Video Card  ($1098.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: Corsair - Carbide Series 275R ATX Mid Tower Case  ($68.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Cooler Master - MWE Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($69.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1692.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Indeed you can, but lots of stuff is comming out in 5-6 days. Also that Board isnt great. 

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1 hour ago, GoldenLag said:

Indeed you can, but lots of stuff is comming out in 5-6 days. Also that Board isnt great. 

It's similar to pro4 b450.

Also, I have included that r7 2700 as a placeholder for r5 3600.

SSD TIER LIST

 

 

CPU - Ryzen 7 3700X

Mobo - ASRock X470 Taichi

Memory - G.Skill Trident Z RGB (8x2 3200MHz) 

Storage - Sabrent Rocket 1TB - Seagate Barracuda 2TBWD Black 1TB

GPU - MSI GeForce GTX 980Ti LIGHTNING

CaseFractal Design Meshify C

PSUSuper Flower Leadex II Gold 650W

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1 hour ago, VEXICUS said:

It's similar to pro4 b450.

Then get a Pro4 for less.......

 

1 hour ago, VEXICUS said:

Also, I have included that r7 2700 as a placeholder for r5 3600.

You can include MSRP of hardware in PCP.

 

 

Also if you are going third gen, at least get a flashbacl capable board like tomahawk. 

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PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel - Core i7-9700 3 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($329.89 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Pure Rock Slim 35.14 CFM CPU Cooler  ($28.78 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock - B360 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($77.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($112.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Team - GX2 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($86.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card  ($699.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: NZXT - H500i ATX Mid Tower Case  ($91.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: EVGA - B3 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($69.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1498.61
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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15 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Then get a Pro4 for less.......

 

You can include MSRP of hardware in PCP.

 

 

Also if you are going third gen, at least get a flashbacl capable board like tomahawk. 

Unfortunately, fatality is cheaper than pro4 currently.

Also, I wouldn't recommend ryzen 2 unless I see the actual benchmarks and it's performance improvement over ryzen+.

Also, there are some rumors that ryzen 2 processors will need boards with better vrms, so waiting for b550 boards. So, I am not recommending ryzen 2 processors with b450 boards untill the reviews come out.

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CPU - Ryzen 7 3700X

Mobo - ASRock X470 Taichi

Memory - G.Skill Trident Z RGB (8x2 3200MHz) 

Storage - Sabrent Rocket 1TB - Seagate Barracuda 2TBWD Black 1TB

GPU - MSI GeForce GTX 980Ti LIGHTNING

CaseFractal Design Meshify C

PSUSuper Flower Leadex II Gold 650W

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7 minutes ago, VEXICUS said:

Unfortunately, fatality is cheaper than pro4 currently.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dQgzK8/asrock-b450m-pro4-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b450m-pro4

 

Nope, Pro4 is cheaper.

7 minutes ago, VEXICUS said:

Also, there are some rumors that ryzen 2 processors will need boards with better vrms, so waiting for b550 boards

Not at stock. Also its Zen 2. Also why would B550 boards have better VRM than good B450.

 

Also that assumes overclocking on 12 and 16c.

 

8 minutes ago, VEXICUS said:

So, I am not recommending ryzen 2 processors with b450 boards untill the reviews come out.

B450 tomahawk is a plenty good board for light overclocking. 

1 hour ago, VEXICUS said:

Also, I have included that r7 2700 as a placeholder for r5 3600.

 

9 minutes ago, VEXICUS said:

So, I am not recommending ryzen 2 processors with b450 boards untill the reviews come out.

Im suspecting you mean Zen 2. And you did exactly that.......

 

14 minutes ago, Adsome2007 said:

Why would you use such a PSU?

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CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($329.00) wait and see how it performs.
Motherboard: MSI - B450-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($93.80 @ Amazon) allows BIOS updates without needing a compatible CPU.
Memory: GeIL - EVO POTENZA 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($59.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: ADATA - XPG SX6000 Pro 512 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($57.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Seagate - Constellation CS ISE 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Fractal Design - Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case  ($84.85 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Cooler Master - MWE Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($69.99 @ Amazon) 
Custom: RTX 2070 Super ($500.00) wait till july 9.
Total: $1245.61
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-07-03 11:56 EDT-0400

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Heatsink: Gelid Phantom Black GPU: Palit RTX 3060 Ti Dual RAM: Corsair DDR4 2x8GB 3000Mhz mobo: Asus X570-P case: Fractal Design Define C PSU: Superflower Leadex Gold 650W

 

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Hey folks, thanks for all the feedback. It's awesome getting support from all of you!

 

I've waited as everyone suggested and incorporated all the feedback and i now have a new working list, which I'd love another round of feedback on.

 

 

 

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