R5 2600 vs 2600x + motherboard + cooler

[Captain_Norway]

Hi there!

 

I have read articles and seen multiple videos about the ryzen processors, what I found out was that you could buy the r5 2600 rather than the x version and overclock it. The 2600 version is able to perform just as the ryzen 5 2600x when overclocked and even better sometimes. Is this true?

 

If so what motherboard and cooler should i pair up with the ryzen 5 2600.

I don't want the motherboard or the processor to overheat.

 

I plan on buying the MSI b450 tomohawk motherboard and the Artic Freezer 33 Esports one.

 

Is the MSI b450 tomohawk able to overclock without problems or should i try looking at different motherboard.

Same goes for the cooler.

 

Thanks for help!

 

[Bazrat]

Yes, you can overclock the 2600 so it outperforms a stock 2600x in most cases. And the MSI B450 Tomahawk from what I've seen, is a good motherboard for some decent overclocking. As for the cooler most decent air coolers should be fine, just gotta find the quiet ones . I like the Be Quiet! Dark Rock 4 but that can be out of some peoples budgets. I'll leave cooler recommendation to someone else as I'm not sure as to what coolers may be available on your area.

[Captain_Norway]

9 minutes ago, Bazrat said:

Yes, you can overclock the 2600 so it outperforms a stock 2600x in most cases. And the MSI B450 Tomahawk from what I've seen, is a good motherboard for some decent overclocking. As for the cooler most decent air coolers should be fine, just gotta find the quiet ones . I like the Be Quiet! Dark Rock 4 but that can be out of some peoples budgets. I'll leave cooler recommendation to someone else as I'm not sure as to what coolers may be available on your area.

Yeah thats what thought, i am still worried by if the motherboard is good enough for moderate overclocking. I have to look into cooler also. The thing is that if i go with the 2600 i have enough money to buy rtx 2060. I just need to find a motherboard and a cooler which is sufficient. The prices in Norway is crazy high, compared to newegg and amazon. 

 

Thanks for replying!

 

[Captain_Norway]

10 minutes ago, Bazrat said:

Yes, you can overclock the 2600 so it outperforms a stock 2600x in most cases. And the MSI B450 Tomahawk from what I've seen, is a good motherboard for some decent overclocking. As for the cooler most decent air coolers should be fine, just gotta find the quiet ones . I like the Be Quiet! Dark Rock 4 but that can be out of some peoples budgets. I'll leave cooler recommendation to someone else as I'm not sure as to what coolers may be available on your area.

The artic freezer 33 from what i have seen is pretty quiet and performs well for the money.  420 kr which is almost 50 dollars.

[Bazrat]

Just now, Captain_Norway said:

Yeah thats what thought, i am still worried by if the motherboard is good enough for moderate overclocking

Well I was able to overclock my Ryzen 7 2700x on an Asus Strix B450-F to 4.25ghz all core and it's, in my opinion, a worse board that the b450 Tomahawk, so I think you should be fine for that.

[Bazrat]

1 minute ago, Captain_Norway said:

The artic freezer 33 from what i have seen is pretty quiet and performs well for the money.  420 kr which is almost 50 dollars. 

I looked up a quick review for it and it doesn't seem to have that bad performance, just a bit loud with 100% fan speed, which I doubt you'll get when your gaming. So it seems like a solid choice. But there might be better options but I'm not too familiar with Norway stores, from Australia

[Captain_Norway]

37 minutes ago, Bazrat said:

I looked up a quick review for it and it doesn't seem to have that bad performance, just a bit loud with 100% fan speed, which I doubt you'll get when your gaming. So it seems like a solid choice. But there might be better options but I'm not too familiar with Norway stores, from Australia

Aussie Aussie Aussie,

XD thanks for the awesome help!

 

I think i am going to wait for someone else also give their opinion about the coolers

[Bazrat]

Just now, Captain_Norway said:

Aussie Aussie Aussie,

XD thanks for the awesome help!

 

I think i am going to wait for someone else also give their opinion about the coolers

oi oi oi

No problem! I hope I helped somewhat.
And yeah someone more from your area would be better than me haha.

[Captain_Norway]

1 minute ago, Bazrat said:

oi oi oi

No problem! I hope I helped somewhat.
And yeah someone more from your area would be better than me haha.

Would u go for an ryzen 5 2600 or a ryzen 7 2700? 

[Captain_Norway]

2 minutes ago, Bazrat said:

oi oi oi

No problem! I hope I helped somewhat.
And yeah someone more from your area would be better than me haha.

Also hahaha, sorry if i am annoying but, whats the difference between the x version and the non x version?

[Bazrat]

2 minutes ago, Captain_Norway said:

Would u go for an ryzen 5 2600 or a ryzen 7 2700? 

If it was only gaming a 2600 would be plenty since most games still barely utilise 6 cores. 2700 if you need the extra cores, I only got my 2700x because I got a killer deal on it.

2 minutes ago, Captain_Norway said:

Also hahaha, sorry if i am annoying but, whats the difference between the x version and the non x version?

Non-X version has a lower clock speed and TDP to the X version. So the X version is like a 2600 but with a small overclock on it.

Ryzen 5 2600: Base is 3.4Ghz; Boost is 3.9Ghz; 65W TDP

Ryzen 5 2600x: Base is 3.6Ghz; Boost is 4.2Ghz; 95W TDP

 

You can still overclock the 2600x some more but it's easier to let PBO2 (Precision Boost Overclocking 2) to do it's thing as it will pretty much push it to its max anyway.

 

And all good I don't mind haha.

[Captain_Norway]

3 minutes ago, Bazrat said:

If it was only gaming a 2600 would be plenty since most games still barely utilise 6 cores. 2700 if you need the extra cores, I only got my 2700x because I got a killer deal on it.

Non-X version has a lower clock speed and TDP to the X version. So the X version is like a 2600 but with a small overclock on it.

Ryzen 5 2600: Base is 3.4Ghz; Boost is 3.9Ghz; 65W TDP

Ryzen 5 2600x: Base is 3.6Ghz; Boost is 4.2Ghz; 95W TDP

 

You can still overclock the 2600x some more but it's easier to let PBO2 (Precision Boost Overclocking 2) to do it's thing as it will pretty much push it to its max anyway.

 

And all good I don't mind haha.

When u overclock manually doesn’t it mess with the PBO2?

[Captain_Norway]

1 minute ago, Captain_Norway said:

When u overclock manually doesn’t it mess with the PBO2?

If u were in my position, would you choose the x rather than the 2600? 

[Arleccino]

I have my 2600 overclocked to 4.2, on an Asrock Fatal1ty b450 mitx board using a Noctua NH-C14s in a Cougar QBX.

 

One thing to note is that while the stock cooler is not garbage, AMD did basically drop the non-X coolers by a tier on the 2000 series. You can overclock with it still, but the X has the better cooler bundled with it if you were not thinking of using a 3rd part cooler already.

[Bazrat]

9 minutes ago, Captain_Norway said:

When u overclock manually doesn’t it mess with the PBO2?

It just means your doing its job pretty much

7 minutes ago, Captain_Norway said:

If u were in my position, would you choose the x rather than the 2600? 

It would depend on my budget and if I was willing to learn how to overclock, its not as hard as it seems as some boards have auto-overclock options by just selecting "Levels" of overclock, Levels 1-4, 4 being the highest overclock, but I would recommend level 3 as 4 IMO doesn't have that drastic of a change. If your budget allows you could go for the 2600x, but if you need to save some go for the 2600 and just one click overclock

[Captain_Norway]

7 minutes ago, Arleccino said:

I have my 2600 overclocked to 4.2, on an Asrock Fatal1ty b450 mitx board using a Noctua NH-C14s in a Cougar QBX.

 

One thing to note is that while the stock cooler is not garbage, AMD did basically drop the non-X coolers by a tier on the 2000 series. You can overclock with it still, but the X has the better cooler bundled with it if you were not thinking of using a 3rd part cooler already.

I plan on buying a aftermarket cooler, as mention probably the artic freezer 33 esports one. Do you think the cooler will handle it temps?

[Captain_Norway]

3 minutes ago, Bazrat said:

It just means your doing its job pretty much

It would depend on my budget and if I was willing to learn how to overclock, its not as hard as it seems as some boards have auto-overclock options by just selecting "Levels" of overclock, Levels 1-4, 4 being the highest overclock, but I would recommend level 3 and 4 IMO doesn't have that drastic of a change. If your budget allows you could go for the 2600x, but if you need to save some go for the 2600 and just one click overclock

If i go for the x version what are the benefits for overclocking with it rather than the 2600?

 

Thanks as always!

[Bazrat]

1 minute ago, Captain_Norway said:

I plan on buying a aftermarket cooler, as mention probably the artic freezer 33 esports one. Do you think the cooler will handle it temps?

From what I've seen it should be able to. It's just a bit noisy at full load is all.

 

1 minute ago, Captain_Norway said:

If i go for the x version what are the benefits for overclocking with it rather than the 2600?

With the X version you probably won't need to overclock, only if you want that extra sliver of performance. It's basically just plug-and-play.

 

2 minutes ago, Captain_Norway said:

Thanks as always!

No prob bob

[Captain_Norway]

1 hour ago, Bazrat said:

From what I've seen it should be able to. It's just a bit noisy at full load is all.

 

With the X version you probably won't need to overclock, only if you want that extra sliver of performance. It's basically just plug-and-play.

 

No prob bob

Really nice poeple on here thanks for everything!

[Boinbo]

4 minutes ago, Captain_Norway said:

Really nice poeple on here thanks for everything!

Yeah, I'd just like to put in my two cents worth here:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	$148.99 @ SuperBiiz
CPU Cooler	Cooler Master - Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler	$33.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock - B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$59.99 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$252.97
	Mail-in rebates	-$10.00
	Total	$242.97
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-06-29 09:19 EDT-0400

Yes, the motherboard isn't the tomahawk. That's because for most people, unless you are a hardcore enthusiast, it really doesn't make too much of a difference, and it's not like the pro4 VRMs are bad still. I also got the 212 black because it's great value, the freezer ones are nice, but it would be better if you found them at around the $30-35 mark, as $40 doesn't seem worth it in my opinion. If you have a bit more money to spend on cooling, I would get the dark rock slim, which is around $60, but offers solid cooling for it's price, and, it's also able to fit inside ITX cases iirc, so if you ever make an ITX build down the line, cooking's one less thing to worry about.

Edited June 29, 2019 by Boinbo

[Captain_Norway]

13 minutes ago, Boinbo said:

Yeah, I'd just like to put in my two cents worth here:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	$148.99 @ SuperBiiz
CPU Cooler	Cooler Master - Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler	$33.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock - B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$59.99 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$252.97
	Mail-in rebates	-$10.00
	Total	$242.97
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-06-29 09:19 EDT-0400

Yes, the motherboard isn't the tomahawk. That's because for most people, unless you are a hardcore enthusiast, it really doesn't make too much of a difference, and it's not like the pro4 VRMs are bad still. I also got the 212 black because it's great value, the freezer ones are nice, but it would be better if you found them at around the $30-35 mark, as $40 doesn't seem worth it in my opinion. If you have a bit more money to spend on cooling, I would get the dark rock slim, which is around $60, but offers solid cooling for it's price, and, it's also able to fit inside ITX cases iirc, so if you ever make an ITX build down the line, cooking's one less thing to worry about.

I see ur point but here in Norway the cheapest dark rock slim is 750 nok or 88 dollars while the artic freezer 33 is 420 nok or about 50 dollars. Btw the cm hyper 212 black edt is about the same price as the artic freezer.

 

i would rather buy the dark rock 4 rather than the dark rock slim for 12 dollars more 850 nok.

[Boinbo]

6 minutes ago, Captain_Norway said:

I see ur point but here in Norway the cheapest dark rock slim is 750 nok or 88 dollars while the artic freezer 33 is 420 nok or about 50 dollars. Btw the cm hyper 212 black edt is about the same price as the artic freezer.

 

i would rather buy the dark rock 4 rather than the dark rock slim for 12 dollars more 850 nok.

Alright, makes sense then. In that case the freezer 33 seems like your best choice.

[Captain_Norway]

27 minutes ago, Boinbo said:

Alright, makes sense then. In that case the freezer 33 seems like your best choice.

Thank you very much for helping me!

 

[Boinbo]

11 minutes ago, Captain_Norway said:

Thank you very much for helping me!

 

Np! Good luck on your build!

[Captain_Norway]

26 minutes ago, Boinbo said:

Np! Good luck on your build!

Thank you!

I plan on waiting bc i have heard that ryzen prices might be dropping.