X570 or X470

[pApA^LeGBa]

So with new R9´s coming up it´s time for an upgrade soon (that is if AMD keeps it promises on the Ryzen300 ofc). What i am wondering is, what would i miss out on in future going X470 now for a gaming PC? (Like would a PCIe4.0 NextGen GPU not be as powerfull on X470 as on X570 for example)

 

It´s going to be either the 3800X or 3900X. No work done on the PC except the usual private office stuff.

 

[Skiiwee29]

only real feature of the 570 over 470 is PCIE gen 4 which unless you plan on using Gen 4 storage, you wont see any appreciable difference. And to be fair, 99% of people dont even see the difference in times between a regular sata based SSD vs NVMe when loading up games which is what most use it for anyways. 

[Crunchy Dragon]

15 minutes ago, Skiiwee29 said:

only real feature of the 570 over 470 is PCIE gen 4 which unless you plan on using Gen 4 storage, you wont see any appreciable difference. And to be fair, 99% of people dont even see the difference in times between a regular sata based SSD vs NVMe when loading up games which is what most use it for anyways. 

Even on SATA, the SSD experience doesn't vary too much SSD to SSD.

I've got a cheap Inland drive in my Ryzen system, and it boots up just about as fast as the Crucial MX500 in my X99 system.

 

It's not like GPUs will even benefit from PCIe Gen4 yet for consumers, either.

[pApA^LeGBa]

@Crunchy Dragon Current GPU´s yeah. I am more concerned about future GPU´s. Next Gen GPU´s is what i am worried about. GPU will get upgraded way before i need another CPU upgrade.

[Crunchy Dragon]

8 minutes ago, pApA^LeGBa said:

@Crunchy Dragon Current GPU´s yeah. I am more concerned about future GPU´s. Next Gen GPU´s is what i am worried about. GPU will get upgraded way before i need another CPU upgrade.

Given that a current-gen GPU won't fully saturate PCIe Gen3 x16 in a consumer system, I wouldn't be too concerned about it.

[Firewrath9]

1 hour ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Given that a current-gen GPU won't fully saturate PCIe Gen3 x16 in a consumer system, I wouldn't be too concerned about it.

but if he uses an AIC for a sound card and a wifi card and a nic, and he might have to run 8.0 on a GPU, and 2 gens ahead (4080 Ti or whatever) prob can saturate more than PCIe 3.0 8x

[Crunchy Dragon]

1 hour ago, Firewrath9 said:

but if he uses an AIC for a sound card and a wifi card and a nic, and he might have to run 8.0 on a GPU, and 2 gens ahead (4080 Ti or whatever) prob can saturate more than PCIe 3.0 8x

Assuming those don't run off of the chipset, as I believe most modern boards will run their lower bandwidth PCIe slots off the chipset rather than the CPU.

 

But that is a valid point.

[pApA^LeGBa]

None of those is planned. Soundcard maybe, but ALC1220 should be enough i guess (Opting for the MSI Gaming Pro Carbon if going X470). If not, i would go external Soundcard but from what i have heard (literally in this case :D)  at my buddys place, ALC1220 is good enough for me.

[St.Nick]

The cheapest X570 board coming out at the zen2 release is going to be around 225~250 MSRP with the premium boards starting at 600 according to the leaks we got today. This chipset is not cheap. Going with a lower end x470 right now is the sane choice if you have a budget at all. By the time PCIE 4 is going to be a real and interesting choice in like 6~9 months when Intel also has boards that support it and the PCIE 4 products actually become available at reasonable prices those x570 boards might have dropped in price enough that you essentially got your X470 board for like 30 or 40 bucks and still end up with the same X570 board you might have been able to buy now (if you deduct the price drop from the purchasing price of an X470 board.) And you save yourself the potential hassle of waiting for firmware upgrades. A new chipset release is almost always gonna have a few weeks or even months of teething issues. Early adopter issues are a real thing to consider. The same is still true for the CPU's themselves though so.. pick your poison?