Budget Dedicated Streaming/Encoding PC (not gaming)

[Stitch_MJ]

Hey guys  this is my first time on this forum and I just wanted to have some opinions on building a second PC. My first build was a simple gaming rig that I use for Video Editing, Streaming, Encoding, etc. and I just wanted to have some feedback as to what parts I should buy for a second small PC dedicated for streaming and encoding purposes. Here are the parts that I have in mind so far, please let me know whether or not I should stick with the parts or change them out!
Budget: $400-$450 USD
Motherboard: GIGABYTE B450M DS3H  
CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 2200G
Memory: HyperX Kingston Technology FURY 2666MHz DDR4 Non-ECC CL15 DIMM 8GB DDR4 2666 MT/s
Storage: ADATA SU800 256GB 3D-NAND 2.5 Inch SATA III SSD

Power: EVGA 450 BR, 80+ Bronze 450W
Case: Thermaltake Versa H17 Black SPCC Micro ATX Mini Tower

I am not sure if I should get a GPU like a 1050ti or just stick with using AMD's Vega Graphics for the encoding purposes. 
I appreciate all feedback and I will ask for any clarification for any comments I don't quite understand. 

I am also still very new to building PC's

[191x7]

I would recommend the Ryzen 5 2400G and using the integrated GPU. SMT does make a difference.

[Stitch_MJ]

1 minute ago, 191x7 said:

I would recommend the Ryzen 5 2400G and using the integrated GPU. SMT does make a difference.

Thank you for recommending that one, what is SMT?

[GoldenLag]

Get a r5 1600 and a 30$ GPU (used)

 

Something like the hd 7850

 

Get a good PSU. Like the cx 450 (2017) from corsair.

 

Get 3000mhz memmory and finally a B450 Pro4 board. Because anything less tham that is office PC hardware, not rendering.

 

Edit: id also suggest spending a tiny bit extra on a mx 330 case from cougar. 

Edited May 27, 2019 by GoldenLag

[Elfuego]

A quadcore isnt going to be any better than just using NVENC on a second GPU, so my vote would be just add a GPU and use that to do the encoding.

[191x7]

1 minute ago, Stitch_MJ said:

Thank you for recommending that one, what is SMT?

Simultaneous Multi-Threading, AMD's variant of HyperThreading - the tech that uses advanced scheduling so that a single CPU core can work with two threads (looking like two cores).

[Stitch_MJ]

2 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Get a r5 1600 and a 30$ GPU (used)

 

Something like the hd 7850

 

Get a good PSU. Like the cx 450 (2017) from corsair.

 

Get 3000mhz memmory and finally a B450 Pro4 board. Because anything less tham that is office PC hardware, not rendering.

 

Edit: id also suggest spending a tiny bit extra on a mx 330 case from cougar. 

Thank you for your recommendation, so should I go for more of the R5 2400G like how 191x7 spoke of to use? Plus the $30 GPU. Do you have any recommendations?

[Stitch_MJ]

1 minute ago, 191x7 said:

Simultaneous Multi-Threading, AMD's variant of HyperThreading - the tech that uses advanced scheduling so that a single CPU core can work with two threads (looking like two cores).

Thanks for letting me know! So I should spend the extra for the 2400G, will I need to get a GPU as well or will this be good enough for dedicated streaming purposes? Also is the B450M MoBo suited for the 2400G? I wouldn't need to update the BIOS or anything right?

[GoldenLag]

Just now, Stitch_MJ said:

Thank you for your recommendation, so should I go for more of the R5 2400G like how 191x7 spoke of to use? Plus the $30 GPU. Do you have any recommendations?

Go for the r5 1600 over the 2400G and get literally the cheapest GPU you can.

 

I recommend the hd 7850 as it can then be resold as a gaming PC.

 

Also just get the cheapest 240-256GB SSD and invest in a seagate constallation ES 3TB when you need more storage.

 

Also take in the rest of my suggestions, especially regarding the PSU

[Stitch_MJ]

6 minutes ago, Elfuego said:

A quadcore isnt going to be any better than just using NVENC on a second GPU, so my vote would be just add a GPU and use that to do the encoding.

Thank you for your opinion! Any GPU's do you have in mind? I am familiar with Nvidia GPU's but are there anything else out there?

[GoldenLag]

3 minutes ago, Stitch_MJ said:

Thank you for your opinion! Any GPU's do you have in mind? I am familiar with Nvidia GPU's but are there anything else out there?

If you want to do GPU encoding.

 

A used mining rx470 or rx570 would be a good pick.

 

Use the included VCE encoder

[Stitch_MJ]

1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

Go for the r5 1600 over the 2400G and get literally the cheapest GPU you can.

 

I recommend the hd 7850 as it can then be resold as a gaming PC.

 

Also just get the cheapest 240-256GB SSD and invest in a seagate constallation ES 3TB when you need more storage.

 

Also take in the rest of my suggestions, especially regarding the PSU

I see, thank you for shedding some light about all this! I appreciate it all
I think the storage that I have is enough (256 SSD)
The PSU, I have a EVGA 450, is that lesser to the cx 450?
Also is the Gigabyte B450M DS3H not a Pro4 Board? How would I know if it was?

[Stitch_MJ]

2 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

If you want to do GPU encoding.

 

A used mining rx470 or rx570 would be a good pick.

 

Use the included VCE encoder

Which is better encoding, GPU or CPU? I have heard that CPU has cleaner encoding but GPU has faster encoding

[GoldenLag]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($118.39 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: ASRock - B450M Pro4-F Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($68.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($43.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Team - MS30 256 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($29.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Q300 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($35.85 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($41.99 @ Corsair) 
Custom: HD 7850 ($40.00)
Total: $379.20
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-27 03:28 EDT-0400

 

More or less what i would go for

[Elfuego]

7 minutes ago, Stitch_MJ said:

Thank you for your opinion! Any GPU's do you have in mind? I am familiar with Nvidia GPU's but are there anything else out there?

As far as I am aware the latest NVENC (nvidia) is far ahead of the AMD implementation in terms of quality at a given bitrate.

[Stitch_MJ]

2 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($118.39 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: ASRock - B450M Pro4-F Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($68.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($43.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Team - MS30 256 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($29.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Q300 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($35.85 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($41.99 @ Corsair) 
Custom: HD 7850 ($40.00)
Total: $379.20
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-27 03:28 EDT-0400

 

More or less what i would go for

Thanks for the Part List! I will take these into consideration when purchasing the final product! Much appreciated!

[Stitch_MJ]

2 minutes ago, Elfuego said:

As far as I am aware the latest NVENC (nvidia) is far ahead of the AMD implementation in terms of quality at a given bitrate.

That's what I have heard too about NVENC, especially with their New NVENC encoder that they released for OBS, any recommendation's for GPU's?

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, Stitch_MJ said:

Also is the Gigabyte B450M DS3H not a Pro4 Board? How would I know if it was?

Its in the name. Pro4 is the name of the board.

 

Full name of it is B450m Pro4 from ASrock

 

3 minutes ago, Stitch_MJ said:

think the storage that I have is enough (256 SSD

If you allreadu have it then its fine. 

 

3 minutes ago, Stitch_MJ said:

The PSU, I have a EVGA 450, is that lesser to the cx 450?

Believe its worse. 2 sek. Appear its similar. If you have it allready, just re-use it.

 

4 minutes ago, Stitch_MJ said:

Which is better encoding, GPU or CPU? I have heard that CPU has cleaner encoding but GPU has faster encoding

CPU is better especially when you cam dedicate a PC to it.

 

The newest GPU encoding solutions are similar to CPU encoding in terms of quality. Though you will need to shell out 250$ for the GPU alone.

 

[Elfuego]

1 minute ago, Stitch_MJ said:

That's what I have heard too about NVENC, especially with their New NVENC encoder that they released for OBS, any recommendation's for GPU's?

You could just upgrade to a 2060/2070 and then reuse your old GPU and or sell it.

[GoldenLag]

Just now, Stitch_MJ said:

That's what I have heard too about NVENC, especially with their New NVENC encoder that they released for OBS, any recommendation's for GPU's?

Their current implementation is very good. 

 

Their old implementation was more or less identical to AMD in terms of quality.

 

 

If you are going AMD GPU encoding: get a mining RX 470 or rx 570. They cost like 70$.

 

If you are going Nvidia GPU encoding: grab a gtx 1660. It will be about 250$.

 

If you are going CPU encoding: grab the solution i suggested above

[Stitch_MJ]

1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

Its in the name. Pro4 is the name of the board.

 

Full name of it is B450m Pro4 from ASrock

 

If you allreadu have it then its fine. 

 

Believe its worse. 2 sek. Appear its similar. If you have it allready, just re-use it.

 

CPU is better especially when you cam dedicate a PC to it.

 

The newest GPU encoding solutions are similar to CPU encoding in terms of quality. Though you will need to shell out 250$ for the GPU alone.

 

I see.
I haven't bought any parts at all just yet, but I think I will go for the Corsair 450 rather than EVGA's 450. I am not really looking to spend much on the GPU itself, plus this is just for dedicated for streaming and I would want to use CPU encoding if I don't have to pay and arm and a leg to get the GPU Encoding.

[Stitch_MJ]

1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

Their current implementation is very good. 

 

Their old implementation was more or less identical to AMD in terms of quality.

 

 

If you are going AMD GPU encoding: get a mining RX 470 or rx 570. They cost like 70$.

 

If you are going Nvidia GPU encoding: grab a gtx 1660. It will be about 250$.

 

If you are going CPU encoding: grab the solution i suggested above

Alright, I think I will take your consideration of parts list to use. Didn't know there were 3000 DDR4 RAM that cost that low for 8GB. Also, I don't need much RAM for streaming purpose though right? It's just to run the process of the programs and all?

[Stitch_MJ]

4 minutes ago, Elfuego said:

You could just upgrade to a 2060/2070 and then reuse your old GPU and or sell it.

Maybe in the future I will consider to get on of those, but I for now, I think I may stick with CPU encoding though

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, Stitch_MJ said:

I see.
I haven't bought any parts at all just yet, but I think I will go for the Corsair 450 rather than EVGA's 450. I am not really looking to spend much on the GPU itself, plus this is just for dedicated for streaming and I would want to use CPU encoding if I don't have to pay and arm and a leg to get the GPU Encoding.

Usually dedicated streaming PCs use CPU encoding as it can crank up the quality and bitrate since the CPU isnt doing anything else. 

 

Nvidia Nvenc on the newest cards (gtx 1660 and up) is a real alternative to CPU encoding. But its best suited for a PC streaming setup. 

[Stitch_MJ]

Just now, GoldenLag said:

Usually dedicated streaming PCs use CPU encoding as it can crank up the quality and bitrate since the CPU isnt doing anything else. 

 

Nvidia Nvenc on the newest cards (gtx 1660 and up) is a real alternative to CPU encoding. But its best suited for a PC streaming setup. 

Alright, Looks like the R5 1600 is the way to go in terms of CPU encoding! Thank you for your help! This gives me a lot of insight as to what to look for