Will AMD update AM1?

[SuperCookie78]

I remember when AMD launched the AM1 platform. it was a cheap platform for basic computer usage. But 5 years later the platform is really out of date but still being sold. How could AM1 be brought up to modern standards? add ZEN. AM1 is unique because the chipset is built into the cpu. it is basically an SoC. so put 4 slower zen cores with lower end integrated graphics and a ddr3 controller rather that ddr4 and bam! a cpu that works with existing motherboards and would be cheap to produce. you could use low end dies from ryzen production as they wouldn't be overclockable and would only run at 3Ghz max. I think it would be great way to compete with intel's NUC's. But the question is will AMD update AM1. I hope they do but i feel like they probably won't

[Electronics Wizardy]

2 minutes ago, SuperCookie78 said:

AM1 is unique because the chipset is built into the cpu.

I mean am4 basically is like this do, the new ryzen chips are a soc with almost all chipset features built in and can be used without a chipset(see epyc)

 

Why not just use am4 to replace am1 and use low end am4 boards? That way there is one less socket to maintain.

[RobFRaschke]

AM4 is the latest iteration of that same idea. So basically the Ryzen 2200G/2400G are the descendants of the A series APUs. Why would they stuff newer cores into an ancient socket?

[Stefan Payne]

1 hour ago, SuperCookie78 said:

I remember when AMD launched the AM1 platform. it was a cheap platform for basic computer usage.

Yeah and as usual nobody bought htat, except for a couple of people "in the know"; who also don't care about Brand stuff.

1 hour ago, SuperCookie78 said:

But 5 years later the platform is really out of date but still being sold. How could AM1 be brought up to modern standards?

It can't. its just too low end for that.

Only SIngle Channel Memory.

VRM made for 15W CPUs.

 

The next best thing would be an Athlon 200GE with an entry level B450 Board.

1 hour ago, SuperCookie78 said:

AM1 is unique because the chipset is built into the cpu. it is basically an SoC.

Nope.

AM4 also has that. 
Though the A300 "Chipset" or absence of one got lost somewhere for some reasons.

Asrock has something with that though, here:

https://smallformfactor.net/reviews/asrocks-deskmini-a300-finally

 

1 hour ago, SuperCookie78 said:

so put 4 slower zen cores with lower end integrated graphics and a ddr3 controller rather that ddr4 and bam!

No, 2 would be the max.

And there already is something like that.

But DDR3 doesn't make sense for various reasons.

Or would you want DDR-1 SDRAM today??

 

1 hour ago, SuperCookie78 said:

But the question is will AMD update AM1.

No, they won't.

Too small market that can also somewhat be catered to with low end Ryzen based chips.

[SuperCookie78]

22 minutes ago, RobFRaschke said:

AM4 is the latest iteration of that same idea. So basically the Ryzen 2200G/2400G are the descendants of the A series APUs. Why would they stuff newer cores into an ancient socket?

well an am1 board costs $40 while am4 is more expensive. if am4 was suppose to replace am1 then why are they still selling it?

[SuperCookie78]

9 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Yeah and as usual nobody bought htat, except for a couple of people "in the know"; who also don't care about Brand stuff.

It can't. its just too low end for that.

Only SIngle Channel Memory.

VRM made for 15W CPUs.

 

The next best thing would be an Athlon 200GE with an entry level B450 Board.

Nope.

AM4 also has that. 
Though the A300 "Chipset" or absence of one got lost somewhere for some reasons.

Asrock has something with that though, here:

https://smallformfactor.net/reviews/asrocks-deskmini-a300-finally

 

No, 2 would be the max.

And there already is something like that.

But DDR3 doesn't make sense for various reasons.

Or would you want DDR-1 SDRAM today??

 

No, they won't.

Too small market that can also somewhat be catered to with low end Ryzen based chips.

am1 cpu’s where 25W and they had their chipsets onboard. the reason for ddr3 is so they can slot into existing mobos. DDR3 and 4 aren’t as far apart as sdram. I still use computers with ddr3 ram fine. linus showed this back in 2014. also the ryzen 5 2500u is 25W and can be configured to 12W so yes they can have 4 core with 8 threads and integrated graphics in 25W and be faster. zen is more efficient then jaguar architecture.

[Stefan Payne]

6 minutes ago, SuperCookie78 said:

am1 cpu’s where 25W and they had their chipsets onboard.

Look at Ryzen...

They have a couple of USB and 2 S-ATA Ports on Chip as well as everything else needed.

 

The 300 and 400 Chipsets were just PCIe to S-ATA, USB and PCie Bridge. 

6 minutes ago, SuperCookie78 said:

the reason for ddr3 is so they can slot into existing mobos.

DDR3 is EOL or soon to be EOL.

6 minutes ago, SuperCookie78 said:

DDR3 and 4 aren’t as far apart as sdram.

Yes they are!

There are some huge differences between DDR3 and DDR4 besides voltage.

IIRC the DDR4 works internally at half the speed but "double pumped".

 

6 minutes ago, SuperCookie78 said:

I still use computers with ddr3 ram fine. linus showed this back in 2014. 

Yes, and??
We have 2019, 5 years later...

 

6 minutes ago, SuperCookie78 said:

also the ryzen 5 2500u is 25W and can be configured to 12W so yes they can have 4 core with 8 threads and integrated graphics in 25W and be faster.

that's a Notebook SKU, the Desktop Athlon 200GE is 35W out of the Box and only 43€.