New build, when?

[Tiago8v]

Hey guys!

 

I hope you can give your opinion on this... I'ts more like I need some advices about waiting, or not...

 

Currently I have a system with this specs...

Asus P8p67 rev3

Intel i5 2500k 4.6Ghz (overclocked since day 1)

16Gb RAM Corsair Vengeance (slighly overclocked since day 1)

ASUS GTX 1060 6Gb Strix OC (always in OC mode)

1x 960Gb SSD Kingston (only for games)

1x 120Gb SSD Kingston (documents, imagens, ...)

1x 250Gb SSD nvme Samsung 970 Evo Plus (Windows and software)

 

I build this back in 2011, when the 2500k came out... currently I can play every game... but I'm feeling that I'm loosing a lot of fps.

If you wan't... I can specify some FPS so we can compare with other GTX 1060 6Gb builds...

 

My point is... I wanna upgrade the build, but since I dont live that well... and money is short... I don't wanna build anything rushed.

What should I do? I was planing to wait for the Intel 10th gen, because of the 10nn CPUs, but I read something about DDR5 coming soon... what should I do? Wait for Intel 10th gen or DDR5 since I can upgrade more stuff in the future if I need to, or even, try to keep the current build until it works?

 

I don't want to spend money in vain.

 

 

Thanks.

[Drunk.EU]

The new ryzen CPUs that are going to be released this year should be a really good upgrade. I would go for those.

Intel ones will take a lot more time by the looks of it.

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, Tiago8v said:

If you wan't... I can specify some FPS so we can compare with other GTX 1060 6Gb builds...

then do so

 

2 minutes ago, Tiago8v said:

My point is... I wanna upgrade the build, but since I dont live that well... and money is short... I don't wanna build anything rushed.

What should I do? I was planing to wait for the Intel 10th gen, because of the 10nn CPUs, but I read something about DDR5 coming soon... what should I do? Wait for Intel 10th gen or DDR5 since I can upgrade more stuff in the future if I need to, or even, try to keep the current build until it works?

If money is short, you wait. Doesnt matter if the system is kinda slow at that point. Also since you're using DDR3, you will be getting new memory anyways

[Fasauceome]

The used market is a great option, when Ryzen 3000 processors drop you will certainly be able to snag first and second gen processors for great prices when people start getting rid of their old products. eBay will have quite a range of options.

[Tiago8v]

5 minutes ago, Drunk.EU said:

The new ryzen CPUs that are going to be released this year should be a really good upgrade. I would go for those.

Intel ones will take a lot more time by the looks of it.

Thanks mate, that was my first thought... although then I thought better and asked myself if the Ryzens will last as long as a Intel CPU, because I don't know any case, and I also have a bad experience with amd.

[Tiago8v]

7 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

then do so

 

If money is short, you wait. Doesnt matter if the system is kinda slow at that point. Also since you're using DDR3, you will be getting new memory anyways

Ok, I will post some FPS when I get home today...

 

When you say wait... is until he stops working, ddr5 or 10th gen?

[Tiago8v]

6 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

The used market is a great option, when Ryzen 3000 processors drop you will certainly be able to snag first and second gen processors for great prices when people start getting rid of their old products. eBay will have quite a range of options.

It's an option... thats true.

[Fasauceome]

1 minute ago, Tiago8v said:

It's an option... thats true.

I bought my current graphics card off eBay. Got a Blu ray player off it recently as well. Got scammed on something and got my money back in under 24 hours.

 

It is a GREAT option.

[GoldenLag]

20 minutes ago, Tiago8v said:

What should I do? I was planing to wait for the Intel 10th gen, because of the 10nn CPUs,

that isnt untill early-late 2020. 

 

what you would be waiting for is Zen 2 which is right around the corner. 

[GoldenLag]

7 minutes ago, Tiago8v said:

When you say wait... is until he stops working, ddr5 or 10th gen?

DDR5 adoption is probably late 2020 or 2021. 

 

quite some time away, 

[Tiago8v]

Just now, GoldenLag said:

that isnt untill early-late 2020. 

 

what you would be waiting for is Zen 2 which is right around the corner. 

Thanks man, what's your opinion about AMD cpus? Are they durable?

Like capable of last like 8y?

[Tiago8v]

Just now, GoldenLag said:

DDR5 adoption is probably late 2020 or 2021. 

 

quite some time away, 

Yeah, I know... and will it be worth it? I read something about 60% perf increase!

Thats amaizing.

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, Tiago8v said:

Thanks man, what's your opinion about AMD cpus? Are they durable?

Like capable of last like 8y?

um...... yes. assuming you dont do very high voltage overclocks that would kill any CPU. like any other CPU its gonna last longer than you would want to keep it.  And the CPU should be capable, though for how long is unknown as for the last 7 years untill Ryzen came along, the market laid dorment as there was no innovation. and for the time being the corecounts are increasing and we are finally getting some innovation in the market. 

 

but within any reasonable Timeframe Zen 2/Ryzen 3000 would be the best option

 

4 minutes ago, Tiago8v said:

Yeah, I know... and will it be worth it? I read something about 60% perf increase!

Thats amaizing.

CPU wise the change from DDR4 to DDR5 wont really affect anything since CPUs arent memmory starved. 

[Jurrunio]

20 minutes ago, Tiago8v said:

Ok, I will post some FPS when I get home today...

 

When you say wait... is until he stops working, ddr5 or 10th gen?

until you need more speed and you have a generous budget. I still have a 2600k desktop at home as my gaming system

[Tiago8v]

5 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

um...... yes. assuming you dont do very high voltage overclocks that would kill any CPU. like any other CPU its gonna last longer than you would want to keep it.  And the CPU should be capable, though for how long is unknown as for the last 7 years untill Ryzen came along, the market laid dorment as there was no innovation. and for the time being the corecounts are increasing and we are finally getting some innovation in the market. 

 

but within any reasonable Timeframe Zen 2/Ryzen 3000 would be the best option

 

CPU wise the change from DDR4 to DDR5 wont really affect anything since CPUs arent memmory starved. 

I will have to wait until Lisa talks a gain on May 27th.  

[Tiago8v]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

until you need more speed and you have a generous budget. I still have a 2600k desktop at home as my gaming system

Thanks for the opinion mate... I'm saving a few money, and doing some extra work at home to save what I can... but, when I have a few money some s*** appear to screw me up... or some extra stuff for the kid, or some appliance that got broke... or the car...

[Stefan Payne]

48 minutes ago, Tiago8v said:

My point is... I wanna upgrade the build, but since I dont live that well... and money is short... I don't wanna build anything rushed.

What should I do? I was planing to wait for the Intel 10th gen, because of the 10nn CPUs, but I read something about DDR5 coming soon... what should I do? Wait for Intel 10th gen or DDR5 since I can upgrade more stuff in the future if I need to, or even, try to keep the current build until it works?

 

I don't want to spend money in vain.

Wait until Ryzen 3000 sereis is released, look at that and get one of those.

 

Intel 10nm Desktop Chips are still far far away. If we're lucky, early next year.

But there hasn't been an announcement. ONly that its coming later this year - since 2016 or so...

 

DDR5-SDRAM is also far away, maybe 2021 or at the earliest late 2020.

[Stefan Payne]

27 minutes ago, Tiago8v said:

Thanks man, what's your opinion about AMD cpus? Are they durable?

Like capable of last like 8y?

Yeah, why shouldn't they?!
I don't see any reason why that shouldn't be the case...

 

 

Its not like Intel CPUs stay particularly cool these days...

 

[trevb0t]

1 hour ago, Tiago8v said:

Thanks man, what's your opinion about AMD cpus? Are they durable?

Like capable of last like 8y?

For reference, all Ryzen CPUs are unlocked for overclockability, and almost all of them have SMT (AMD's hyperthreading.)

Before Ryzen, they did not have a great reputation in longevity, and Ryzen has only been out a few years. So the numbers aren't there for proof yet.

The first gen Ryzen is a tad slower than 2nd, but is still trading blows since they are so dang cheap these days. 2nd gen is dropping in price as well as 3rd is prepared. 

So really, it looks like a good future out of the Ryzen series, but nobody can say for sure.

 

But for longevity on Intel, you will want Hyperthreading and unlocked CPU, which means big money down now. 

 

My suggestion: See what Zen 2 looks like. It's going to be great. You've got a working computer now, so why the rush?

[Stefan Payne]

7 hours ago, trevb0t said:

Before Ryzen, they did not have a great reputation in longevity,

as in CPUs are lacking in performance and get too slow.

Not in Context as CPUs dying...

 

7 hours ago, trevb0t said:

But for longevity on Intel, you will want Hyperthreading and unlocked CPU, which means big money down now. 

Yea, either old 8k or 9900k.

Is there a 6 Core with SMT in the 9k Series??

Also a thing to think about: higher temperatures under load due to not great thermal connection between die to IHS.

7 hours ago, trevb0t said:

My suggestion: See what Zen 2 looks like. It's going to be great. You've got a working computer now, so why the rush?

AGREED!

Its only a month away until Lisa talks about it on Computex.

[Tiago8v]

On 4/24/2019 at 4:35 PM, trevb0t said:

For reference, all Ryzen CPUs are unlocked for overclockability, and almost all of them have SMT (AMD's hyperthreading.)

Before Ryzen, they did not have a great reputation in longevity, and Ryzen has only been out a few years. So the numbers aren't there for proof yet.

The first gen Ryzen is a tad slower than 2nd, but is still trading blows since they are so dang cheap these days. 2nd gen is dropping in price as well as 3rd is prepared. 

So really, it looks like a good future out of the Ryzen series, but nobody can say for sure.

 

But for longevity on Intel, you will want Hyperthreading and unlocked CPU, which means big money down now. 

 

My suggestion: See what Zen 2 looks like. It's going to be great. You've got a working computer now, so why the rush?

I think I will wait then... thanks mate!

[Tiago8v]

19 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

as in CPUs are lacking in performance and get too slow.

Not in Context as CPUs dying...

 

Yea, either old 8k or 9900k.

Is there a 6 Core with SMT in the 9k Series??

Also a thing to think about: higher temperatures under load due to not great thermal connection between die to IHS.

AGREED!

Its only a month away until Lisa talks about it on Computex.

Yeah thats true, although I'm a bit afraid of getting a amd cpu, but lets see how it comes... if the leak info is right, and the 3700x has 5.1Ghz, I think they won't have problems to beat Intel current line.

[trevb0t]

5 minutes ago, Tiago8v said:

Yeah thats true, although I'm a bit afraid of getting a amd cpu, but lets see how it comes... if the leak info is right, and the 3700x has 5.1Ghz, I think they won't have problems to beat Intel current line.

And even if Intel puts out an i7 competitor (They will,) It's going to come with fewer cores/threads, and cost 175% of the 3700x for the unlocked version. 

 

Then we are right back where we are now.

[Stefan Payne]

26 minutes ago, Tiago8v said:

Yeah thats true, although I'm a bit afraid of getting a amd cpu, but lets see how it comes...

I don't understand that.

Especially since I see Brand Loyality as a bad or very bad thing.

 

26 minutes ago, Tiago8v said:

if the leak info is right, and the 3700x has 5.1Ghz, I think they won't have problems to beat Intel current line.

I doubt that.

Around 5GHz for Single Core/2 Core Boost might be possible but allcore a good amount under that.

Personally I'd expect +1GHz on my 1700x.

That means ~4,5-4.6GHz Allcore Boost, 4,9GHz short term Peak Boost with only 2 Threads or something like that.

And 4.4GHz Base

Or around +10% on 2700X.

[Tiago8v]

On 4/24/2019 at 3:09 PM, Tiago8v said:

Ok, I will post some FPS when I get home today...

 

When you say wait... is until he stops working, ddr5 or 10th gen?

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