HD Build.

[pApA^LeGBa]

Hi everyone.

 

I am trying to do a build for gaming in HD at 120/144Hz. It should last as long as possible without OC. Longevity without the need to upgrade is very importnant. 

My friend who i am doing this for, is not techsavy at all. Not even a bit. So i will build the PC and do all the software setup.

RAM OC might be ok, i never did this, but from what i have seen it´s just a setting in bios? That would be no problem. Not gonna bother with GPU or CPU OC on other peoples system.

 

I came up with this:

 

I9900K, G-Skill Aegis 16GB 3000Mhz CL16 (if RAM OC is really just a single setting, otherwise a a 2666Mhz i guess), MSI H370 ProCarbon, MSI 2080 Trio, Bequiet StraightPower11 750W (yeah too much but for the next GPU), Noctua DH15.

All in a Fractal Define R6. 

 

Works out? How would you guys do this?

GPU Upgrade is ofc something we have to deal with pretty soon. I know that.

 

 

[Slottr]

That PC would be like kicking a dead horse at 1080p

 

An 8700k and 1660ti will do fine

[LukeSavenije]

3 minutes ago, pApA^LeGBa said:

I9900K

 

3 minutes ago, pApA^LeGBa said:

MSI H370 ProCarbon

want some vrm throttle?

[Fasauceome]

1 minute ago, Slottr said:

An 8700k and 1660ti will do fine

or even the 8700 because the all core turbo is 4.3 as well.

 

also, longevity comes in other forms. Ryzen's AM4 socket will allow drop in upgrades for two more generations, so an X470 board would support cheaper system upgrades for longer.

[Guest]

What resolution Monitor ? There are 1080p, 1440p, 1440p UltraWide and 4K etc with those refresh rates. 

Budget ? 

What Country you buying from ?

[LewisPark]

15 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

or even the 8700 because the all core turbo is 4.3 as well.

 

also, longevity comes in other forms. Ryzen's AM4 socket will allow drop in upgrades for two more generations, so an X470 board would support cheaper system upgrades for longer.

I second this. I have an i7 8700 and a 1080ti and haven't had any issues with 144hz 1080p gaming.

[pApA^LeGBa]

HD as mentioned in the Title and the post ;). Budget doesn´t matter. Has to be bought asap in Austria. And it´s about longevity that is available NOW. Not in 3 or 4 months. (Not gonna discuss why as this would take too long and lead to discussions about that instead of the build itself)

 

And yeah usually i would go like 8700K or 2700X. But as said longevity is the very most importnant thing with this build. And 1660TI? When asking for longevity? You can bring a 2080 to its limit in HD easily right now. Don´t forget we deal with a non tech savy person here. So there is no doing the settings ingame so it works fine.

 

VRM Throttle? So the MB is not a good one?

 

[celerystruct]

9 minutes ago, pApA^LeGBa said:

HD as mentioned in the Title and the post .

HD is super vague. 720p is HD

9 minutes ago, pApA^LeGBa said:

And 1660TI? When asking for longevity? You can bring a 2080 to its limit in HD easily right now.

Also if we're to assume you meant 1080p when you said HD then 1660ti should be enough even in the future. 

[pApA^LeGBa]

Full HD. Does anyone really still have a 720p Monitor? Again. Assume you build this for someone who never used a pc. And can´t handle gamesettings. How long do you think a 1660TI lasts if everything is pushed to the right in the settings?

With longeevity i don´t mean 2 or 3 years. More like 6. If teaching him how to use a PC and Gamesettings properly would be an option i would do that....

[SpookyCitrus]

1 minute ago, pApA^LeGBa said:

HD as mentioned in the Title and the post ;). Budget doesn´t matter. Has to be bought asap in Austria. And it´s about longevity that is available NOW. Not in 3 or 4 months. (Not gonna discuss why as this would take too long and lead to discussions about that instead of the build itself)

 

And yeah usually i would go like 8700K. But as said longevity is the very most importnant thing with this build.

An 8700k or 9700k will last a long time as well, I mean if you have the budget to go 9900k then do it but as @LukeSavenijepointed out that motherboard is a VRM nightmare waiting to happen, not only is it an 8th gen *370 board, it's not even a Z series it's a budget gaming board. If you do any of the 8700k, 9700k or 9900k go Z390 for the board, a high end CPU deserves a quality board. And the system is more towards a 1440p build, it would be a waste to use a 1080p monitor with this system, also if you really want longevity and having it function for more than 5 years with high performance and budget really isn't an issue like you say then go for a 2080ti. A 9900k, 2080ti system will be untouchable for years in terms of the games that are coming out. The better parts you buy the longer it will hold up. I personally have a 8700k and 1080ti and don't plan on upgrading anytime soon it's more than enough for 1440p high refresh rate gaming. 

[LukeSavenije]

11 minutes ago, SpookyCitrus said:

not only is it an 8th gen *370 board,

not a problem

 

12 minutes ago, SpookyCitrus said:

it's not even a Z series

not a problem

 

12 minutes ago, SpookyCitrus said:

it's a budget gaming board.

that's true

 

12 minutes ago, SpookyCitrus said:

8700k, 9700k

would work fine on this one, but is a absolute waste

 

the truth is that a 9900k can pull over 250 watts on a good oc. even at stock those vrms aren't going to handle it

[pApA^LeGBa]

Ohh, i thought you only need Z series for OC and that the H is basically the same without the ability to OC. So going Z390 and the rest would be fine? 

Ram is bothering me, i can´t figure out with google how big the benefit of Ram OC is and the opinions that it is just a single setting in the BIOS are also pretty divided.

 

OC is NOT going to happen on this build. Never. Ever.

[SpookyCitrus]

12 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

not a problem

 

not a problem

 

that's true

 

would work fine on this one, but is a absolute waste

 

the truth is that a 9900k can pull over 250 watts on a good oc. even at stock those vrms aren't going to handle it

I know the first two aren't really a problem, but depending on the board some cheaper *370 boards haven't received the firmware updates necessary to run 9th gen chips yet. The one linked has, but it's always something you want to make sure of before purchasing. And when I meant not a Z series I was basically saying a lower end board and lower quality than a Z series board, it was just my way of saying a budget board, it's actually a part of the sentence in which I say it's a budget board. My whole post was agreeing with you that the board he picked is no good for a 9900k, I just recommend a Z390 board if he's going for the 9900k.

[LukeSavenije]

4 minutes ago, SpookyCitrus said:

I know the first two aren't really a problem, but depending on the board some cheaper *370 boards haven't received the firmware updates necessary to run 9th gen chips yet. The one linked has, but it's always something you want to make sure of before purchasing. And when I meant not a Z series I was basically saying a lower end board and lower quality than a Z series board, it was just my way of saying a budget board, it's actually a part of the sentence in which I say it's a budget board. My whole post was agreeing with you that the board he picked is no good for a 9900k, I just recommend a Z390 board if he's going for the 9900k.

yeah... it's a powerhog in general, tests that show up 285 watts

 

while intel rates it at 95...

[LukeSavenije]

26 minutes ago, pApA^LeGBa said:

Ohh, i thought you only need Z series for OC and that the H is basically the same without the ability to OC. So going Z390 and the rest would be fine? 

Ram is bothering me, i can´t figure out with google how big the benefit of Ram OC is and the opinions that it is just a single setting in the BIOS are also pretty divided.

 

OC is NOT going to happen on this build. Never. Ever.

intel isn't really sensetive to ram overclocking from my experience

 

even if you aren't, that chip needs either that or a workstation board... 

 

from the upper two tiers, those can actually hold it fine

[brob]

9 minutes ago, pApA^LeGBa said:

Ohh, i thought you only need Z series for OC and that the H is basically the same without the ability to OC. So going Z390 and the rest would be fine? 

Ram is bothering me, i can´t figure out with google how big the benefit of Ram OC is and the opinions that it is just a single setting in the BIOS are also pretty divided.

 

OC is NOT going to happen on this build. Never. Ever.

 

Even if one is not planning on overclocking an i8-9900K one should still go with a Z390 motherboard. Especially if longevity is important. Choose a motherboard with good VRM. While VRM and VRM cooling are important in overclocking, they are also important in normal operation. Better VRM should mean more stable operation and better VRM cooling improves component lifetimes.

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i7_8700K_Coffee_Lake_Memory_Performance_Benchmark_Analysis/ is a good read to understand the relative merits of memory speeds on Coffee Lake systems.

 

Perhaps the multiple answers regarding the simplicity of memory overclocking is caused by the fact that there are various overclocks. Most memory modules have an SPD (Serial Presence Detect) speed that is usually 2133MHz. Historically running the modules over that speed is technically an overclock.

 

The cpu memory controller has a stock speed, 2666MHz for i5 and above Coffee Lake / Refresh cpu. Anything over that is technically an overclock.

 

Running a memory kit at its advertised speed (over 2133MHz) is achieved using an XMP (eXtreme Memory Profile) overclock. Using an XMP overclock is a simple BIOS setting. XMP are certified by Intel.

 

It is also possible to directly control numerous memory parameters in most enthusiast motherboard BIOS. This would be a manual memory overclock. Not something for the faint of heart. 

 

[SpookyCitrus]

Exactly well said Brob, was just typing up my thoughts XMP and Overclocking. Most motherboards now support XMP and CPU profile overclocking. Basically presets for the CPU you are using that auto overclock it to the designated Ghz. I personally use a 5ghz auto OC for my processor and have for a while with no issues, stable on all cores and is at the perfect voltage. I also use a XMP for my ram which is a "3000mhz" kit but runs at 3200mhz just fine and it took one click. Overclocking the CPU and ram is incredibly easy now. @pApA^LeGBaIs there a specific reason you're so against overclocking on this build?

[pApA^LeGBa]

It´s for someone who is overwhelmed with installing a game. I have no clue about OC and even if i am gonna learn it, i don´t wanna bother with it the first time on a PC that is not mine. Also a time issue if things don´t work as intended.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, pApA^LeGBa said:

HD as mentioned in the Title and the post ;). Budget doesn´t matter. Has to be bought asap in Austria. And it´s about longevity that is available NOW. Not in 3 or 4 months. (Not gonna discuss why as this would take too long and lead to discussions about that instead of the build itself)

 

And yeah usually i would go like 8700K or 2700X. But as said longevity is the very most importnant thing with this build. And 1660TI? When asking for longevity? You can bring a 2080 to its limit in HD easily right now. Don´t forget we deal with a non tech savy person here. So there is no doing the settings ingame so it works fine.

 

VRM Throttle? So the MB is not a good one?

 

There are different versions of 'HD' though. You can call 2560 x 1440 Quad High Def or 3840 x 2160 Ultra High Def so just wanted to make sure. 

 

 

[Guest]

Here is a rough idea if budget isn't an issue  Used the German pcpartpicker so obviously prices might be a bit different in Austria.

 

Might as well go 1440p high refresh rate or even 3440 x 1440 etc with a healthy budget.

 

There are a lot of Freesync monitors that now support G-Sync so the one below is just for reference.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  (€529.00 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
CPU Cooler: Alphacool - Eisbaer LT360 63.85 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (€112.90 @ Aquatuning) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - Z390 AORUS ULTRA ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€257.99 @ ARLT) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€91.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€68.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€65.98 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB GAMING OC Video Card  (€1125.41 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Pro M Tempered Glass (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (€99.90 @ Caseking) 
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx (2018) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€110.91 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Monitor: AOC - AG271QG 27.0" 2560x1440 165 Hz Monitor  (€706.95 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €3169.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-02 21:17 CEST+0200

 

 

 

[pApA^LeGBa]

That looks pretty nice. thx. 

 

Only 12 days left btw. Can´t wait. Got myself a Valar Morgulis Hoodie last week. HYPE, HYPE.