Paying too much?

[Loscohones]

In 2016 i set up a new rig, with: 6700K, Asus Maximus VIII Extreme Mobo, 16 gigs Corsair Vengeance LED 3200mhz dual channel RAM, Asus ROG 1080 Strix OC edition,  500 gb Samsung Evo 850 + 3x 1TB Seagale Barracuda hdd's, Asus xonar phoebus soundcard  etc.  Still using the system  with some minor modifications (case, storage, cooling etc.) as time goes by,  but only for gaming on an Asus MG278Q 1440p monitor (which recently turned into a g sync compatible  monitor by nvidia...yaay?).  Not a bad system i suppose but for years i always went for i7 and a beefy mobo+ram (which by the way the brute side of what you pay in a system)  . I'm no expert but i think i have decent knowledge in OC, hardware, bios tweaks etc...I'm 38yo, fiddling with these machines since i was 8..Right now i'm asking the question: Am i paying too much just to game decently? I know hyperthreading does jacksh** in %98 of games (its off in my bios) Do i really need the extra cache in i7 or 3200mhz in ram, or LN2 capabilities of Maximus  motherboards (probably not :) )    This machine is fine for me now but maybe in 3 years i have to build a new one, what should i do then? Go for top tier or be reasonable (to stop these corporate commanders getting rich by not buying overpriced and over complicated parts that confuse gamers every passing day) ? Wheww...that's a load off my mind :)

 

It surely will be interesting to read what you think fellas, happy gaming ;)

[DarIin]

7 minutes ago, Loscohones said:

In 2016 i set up a new rig,

with:

6700K,

Asus Maximus VIII Extreme Mobo,

16 gigs Corsair Vengeance LED 3200mhz dual channel RAM,

Asus ROG 1080 Strix OC edition, 

500 gb Samsung Evo 850 + 3x 1TB Seagale Barracuda hdd's,

Asus xonar phoebus soundcard  etc. 

 

Still using the system  with some minor modifications (case, storage, cooling etc.) as time goes by,  but only for gaming on an Asus MG278Q 1440p monitor (which recently turned into a g sync compatible  monitor by nvidia...yaay?). 

 

Not a bad system i suppose but for years i always went for i7 and a beefy mobo+ram (which by the way the brute side of what you pay in a system)  . I'm no expert but i think i have decent knowledge in OC, hardware, bios tweaks etc...

 

I'm 38yo, fiddling with these machines since i was 8..Right now i'm asking the question: Am i paying too much just to game decently?

 

I know hyperthreading does jacksh** in %98 of games (its off in my bios) 

 

Do i really need the extra cache in i7 or 3200mhz in ram, or LN2 capabilities of Maximus  motherboards (probably not )   

 

This machine is fine for me now but maybe in 3 years i have to build a new one, what should i do then? Go for top tier or be reasonable (to stop these corporate commanders getting rich by not buying overpriced and over complicated parts that confuse gamers every passing day) ? Wheww...that's a load off my mind

 

It surely will be interesting to read what you think fellas, happy gaming ;)

Fixed your formatting.

 

To answer your question, how do we know if you're paying too much if you're not telling us how much you're paying?

[Loscohones]

1 minute ago, DarIin said:

Fixed your formatting.

 

To answer your question, how do we know if you're paying too much if you're not telling us how much you're paying?

i can not  remember every bill of every part i bought but, if you check out the parts ,  these had premium price stickers on it at the time i got them....don't think in  dollars or cents, think of it like  "high end components"

[DarIin]

4 minutes ago, Loscohones said:

i can not  remember every bill of every part i bought but, if you check out the parts ,  these had premium price stickers on it at the time i got them....don't think in  dollars or cents, think of it like  "high end components"

Right....

 

So you want to know if you're paying too much without knowing if you're paying anything, and want to know what you should do in three years time because of thinking of it like "high end components"?

 

I would say wait three years and then see what's on the market...

[Loscohones]

4 minutes ago, DarIin said:

Right....

 

So you want to know if you're paying too much without knowing if you're paying anything, and want to know what you should do in three years time because of thinking of it like "high end components"?

 

I would say wait three years and then see what's on the market...

All right....i think i made some mistakes when trying to explain the concept......

Do we really need these high end components with all the bells and whistles the manufacturers tell us...

Do we really need  6-8-12-18-24  cores  or 4ghz+ ram speeds  or pciex m.2 storage  etc...

Game developers sure don't post recommended specs  of a game requiring that much power. I know pc building is a passion but....are we getting duped by todays brands to spend more  for something we don't need in realtime ?

[seagate_surfer]

2017, 2019 wow! 2015 ... All these years have shown me that the best time to obtain the best component that you can find (according to your needs, please do not exaggerate) is when you need those components! And sorry for the redundancy, but when you get to the point where you need something just buy it, not because others have it but because you really need it, no matter the offers after the purchase or how much will be worth in a while, the most important thing is that you squeeze the juice to the things you buy to the fullest .

[DarIin]

1 minute ago, Loscohones said:

All right....i think i made some mistakes when trying to explain the concept......

Do we really need these high end components with all the bells and whistles the manufacturers tell us...

Do we really need  6-8-12-18-24  cores  or 4ghz+ ram speeds  or pciex m.2 storage  etc...

Game developers sure don't post recommended specs  of a game requiring that much power. I know pc building is a passion but....are we getting duped by todays brands to spend more  for something we don't need in realtime ?

Ultimately yes, you don't need the latest cutting edge tech, at a point really, you only need something that can run the game smoothly on medium settings, anything else is just literally preference regarding performance and display.

[LienusLateTips]

1 minute ago, Loscohones said:

All right....i think i made some mistakes when trying to explain the concept......

Do we really need these high end components with all the bells and whistles the manufacturers tell us...

Do we really need  6-8-12-18-24  cores  or 4ghz+ ram speeds  or pciex m.2 storage  etc...

Game developers sure don't post recommended specs  of a game requiring that much power. I know pc building is a passion but....are we getting duped by todays brands to spend more  for something we don't need in realtime ?

Hyperthreading is actually being used now because of AMD make $300 8 core-16 thread chips. 

4ghZ RAM is a scam, for now, and PCIe storage was never useful.

Yes, you are. You can easily play latest 1080p titles with a $150 R5 2600 and a GTX 1660, but a lot of people buy up to play at higher resolution or frame rate.

[Loscohones]

Just blowing off steam , i have the same mindset as every gamer out there, to squeeze every inch of quality fps out of my machine... But when i look at the market, cpu gpu ram mobo etc.   there is so much confusion..."planned confusion" by manufacturers....sometimes it makes me mad.. 10-15 years back  it was much more simpler for the end user, now, it's a warzone.

[seagate_surfer]

It is, yes! But just get the best components you can buy at the best available price and be happy, nowadays everything is very powerful, you simply can not regret the things you bought in 2018 or with what you will buy from now on.

[Loscohones]

I'n not about to go cold turkey after trading blows on these machines for nearly 30 years but.....remember how EA backed off after Battlefront II lootbox case....I think pc users must have power over these companies. We keep them afloat after all. Just a playful thought

[LienusLateTips]

10 minutes ago, Loscohones said:

Just blowing off steam , i have the same mindset as every gamer out there, to squeeze every inch of quality fps out of my machine... But when i look at the market, cpu gpu ram mobo etc.   there is so much confusion..."planned confusion" by manufacturers....sometimes it makes me mad.. 10-15 years back  it was much more simpler for the end user, now, it's a warzone.

Eh... not really. CPU is still very simple, there is i3, i5, i7, i9. i9 is on different socket, except for i9 9900K.

 

On AMD side there is Athlon, R3, R5, R7, then Threadripper. Threadripper is very large and has different socket.

 

GPU is confusing, yes.

 

Mobo Intel made confusing...

 

RAM is pretty simple. Just get what you like, and look at the RAM speed. Same as before.

[Loscohones]

1 minute ago, LienusLateTips said:

Eh... not really. CPU is still very simple, there is i3, i5, i7, i9. i9 is on different socket, except for i9 9900K.

 

On AMD side there is Athlon, R3, R5, R7, then Threadripper. Threadripper is very large and has different socket.

 

GPU is confusing, yes.

 

Mobo Intel made confusing...

 

RAM is pretty simple. Just get what you like, and look at the RAM speed. Same as before.

It might be simpler for us but there are millions of users out there  confused like a bat in a cage.

[Loscohones]

7 minutes ago, LienusLateTips said:

Eh... not really. CPU is still very simple, there is i3, i5, i7, i9. i9 is on different socket, except for i9 9900K.

 

On AMD side there is Athlon, R3, R5, R7, then Threadripper. Threadripper is very large and has different socket.

 

GPU is confusing, yes.

 

Mobo Intel made confusing...

 

RAM is pretty simple. Just get what you like, and look at the RAM speed. Same as before.

and also those i3 5 7 9 have gazillion of iterations under  each tab, same for amd

[LienusLateTips]

2 minutes ago, Loscohones said:

and also those i3 5 7 9 have gazillion of iterations under  each tab, same for amd

no... not really.

 

Example:

i5 8400, i5 8500, i5 8600.

 

These are all the same chip, just with 100mhZ difference. Same as 20 years ago.

 

Example 2:
R5 1400, R5 1500X, R5 1600, R5 1600X.

 

R5 1400 and 1500X is quad core, eight thread, and the one with the X has extended clock speed turbo and a bit higher speed.

R5 1600 and 1600X is hex core, twelve thread, and the one with the X has turbo and higher clock speed, same as above.

[Loscohones]

its overly crowded ...simple. for gpu's...I'm not an amd guy but for nvidia  it was  x60, x70, x80, x80ti and titan for a long time.....what the hell happened?

[aezakmi]

Just now, Loscohones said:

its overly crowded ...simple. for gpu's...I'm not an amd guy but for nvidia  it was  x60, x70, x80, x80ti and titan for a long time.....what the hell happened?

Now it's just Ripoff Technologies Xtreme 20XX

 

well except for the 1660 which is basically a 1070 on disguise. 

[Loscohones]

3 minutes ago, LienusLateTips said:

no... not really.

 

Example:

i5 8400, i5 8500, i5 8600.

 

These are all the same chip, just with 100mhZ difference. Same as 20 years ago.

 

Example 2:
R5 1400, R5 1500X, R5 1600, R5 1600X.

 

R5 1400 and 1500X is quad core, eight thread, and the one with the X has extended clock speed turbo and a bit higher speed.

R5 1600 and 1600X is hex core, twelve thread, and the one with the X has turbo and higher clock speed, same as above.

 

[Loscohones]

2 minutes ago, aezakmi said:

Now it's just Ripoff Technologies Xtreme 20XX

 

well except for the 1660 which is basically a 1070 on disguise. 

and its named 1660 because nvidia doesn't like to put that in any existing category  like 10 and 20....add ice...shake vigorously....then pour

[Loscohones]

But the silver lining is...there are people like Jayz....and Linus (lost his simplicity a little over the years but still love the guy) for some crucial info. The rest is simply in our own hands, to evaluate and share in these kind of platforms.

[LienusLateTips]

24 minutes ago, Loscohones said:

 

T you pretty much can't buy.

 

Other than that, I see only the CPUs I wrote about, except the 8600K, which is just a unlocked 8600...

[Loscohones]

22 minutes ago, LienusLateTips said:

T you pretty much can't buy.

 

Other than that, I see only the CPUs I wrote about, except the 8600K, which is just a unlocked 8600...

its just one tab one maker one component and it gets better everyday ....imagine  you're building your first rig....come on man...you just can't deny that this is not user friendly. This is not customer friendly. We are the customers.

[LienusLateTips]

Just now, Loscohones said:

its just one tab one maker one component and it gets better everyday ....imagine  you're building your first rig....come on man...you just can't deny that this is not user friendly. This is not customer friendly. We are the customers.

It's user friendly enough. What else would you like, having everything be a "Intel Pentium 20" and have everything by clock speed? No, that would be impractical. The system works and it's not that complicated.

[jones177]

6 hours ago, Loscohones said:

All right....i think i made some mistakes when trying to explain the concept......

Do we really need these high end components with all the bells and whistles the manufacturers tell us...

Do we really need  6-8-12-18-24  cores  or 4ghz+ ram speeds  or pciex m.2 storage  etc...

Game developers sure don't post recommended specs  of a game requiring that much power. I know pc building is a passion but....are we getting duped by todays brands to spend more  for something we don't need in realtime ?

If you are chasing frame rate or resolution or both you do need them.

 

I built a i7 6700k rig in 2016 as well. It is my 4k rig and the only components that are still in use from the build are the ram, case and SSD.

I like to upgrade over time so there is not one big money hit.

 

The i7 6700k was replaced about this time last year and originally it had 2 GTX 980 tis. Later it had a 1080 ti and at the end of last year It got a RTX 2080 ti. It is all needed for 4k 60hz. I have no more plans to upgrade it other than getting a larger SSD since it has meet its goals. 

 

Anyone with a 1440p 144hz monitor is not getting the frames in most modern AAA titles. The people that need to see those frames are going to upgrade as they can afford it.

It is only a pain when what you need does not exist and then you have to wait.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[seagate_surfer]

Thank you! The 10 series GPUs were already impressive for 1080p and that's perfectly good for gaming but RTX showcase their stuff at a higher resolution, which means you need (forgive the redundancy) higher resolution screens and way more Ray Tracing games. And this is what RTX is for, for a higher resolution and for Ray Tracing, but right now in 2019 I think not everyone can really get a lot of benefits from RTX, I guess we can wait and still enjoy a lot using the GTX series even with their minimum requirements (i3).