Looking for a QUIET Workstation for $2050

[thinwalrus]

So how are you going to cool cpu? No fans and 200W load? 600rpm psu fan makes no difference when the system is under load.

[LukeSavenije]

2 minutes ago, FinalFantasyBros said:

I've asked for as quiet as possible. I can still hear a fan at 500 RPM. I want no noise if possible, and it sounds like using the 1200w PSU makes that possible. So that's my plan now. I've done some digging too and I found a video from JayzTwoCents where he used a 1200w PSU in a low powered system and he verified it never kicked on. The fanless options look interesting as well but it seems they will be hotter since they are under more load. So I'd rather just get the higher one...

you think a psu produces much heat?

 

no

 

if you want a quiet system i suggest the following

 

don't get a 300 watt cpu, passive cool everything in a big box and only then it'll never have to kick in

 

if you want something reasonable, i suggest a big watercooler, a good psu on level that it should be, not a 1200 watt, but just a good 600+ watt like the formula, hxi, or dark power.

 

13 minutes ago, jerubedo said:

draws no more than 430w OVERCLOCKED

and this system can pull 300 on the cpu already...

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, thinwalrus said:

So how are you going to cool cpu? No fans and 200W load? 600rpm psu fan makes no difference when the system is under load.

200? it's even close to 300 from what I've seen

[Jurrunio]

15 minutes ago, jerubedo said:

It's more about the heat at 80% load and no fan to cool it.

9900k + RTX 2060 can't even push a 600w unit to 80% load, it's more around 66% (400w in stress test, Premiere probably can't hit that either). Besides, what does higher temperature do to a PSU that's designed to handle even worse situations?

 

15 minutes ago, jerubedo said:

he whole point is that it doesn't matter. The system I built draws no more than 430w OVERCLOCKED, so the fan would never kick on, period. no fan = 100% silent.

so use a PSU that doesnt have a fan to kick on?

 

15 minutes ago, jerubedo said:

And what exactly is wrong with 92% efficiency?? 

More heat from a semi-fanless PSU that is working fanless compared to a completely fanless one = semi-fanless runs hotter.

[Stefan Payne]

4 minutes ago, FinalFantasyBros said:

I've asked for as quiet as possible. I can still hear a fan at 500 RPM.

There are fans and there are fans.

The good ones don't have any noticable motor/bearing noise at all.

Its really hard to hear them.

While other fans you can hear from like 50m away even at 350rpm.

 

And I have them both...

 

A good fan like Noctua aren't noticable at 500rpm...

 

4 minutes ago, FinalFantasyBros said:

I want no noise if possible, and it sounds like using the 1200w PSU makes that possible.

No, that's wrong. 

You want a QUIET PSU, not a high wattage one.

See the Links.

4 minutes ago, FinalFantasyBros said:

I've done some digging too and I found a video from JayzTwoCents where he used a 1200w PSU in a low powered system and he verified it never kicked on.

He ain't no expert in PSU.

Tweakpc.de is.

They MEASURED the Fan RPM.

And I've heard some of them.

The Bitfenix is OK, not great.

 

The be quiet Pure Power is really hardly noticable.

4 minutes ago, FinalFantasyBros said:

The fanless options look interesting as well but it seems they will be hotter since they are under more load. So I'd rather just get the higher one...

so are the Semi-Fanless as no airflow is crap and heats up the stuff.

Even a 250rpm fan is a huge difference.

[FinalFantasyBros]

3 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

You want a QUIET PSU, not a high wattage one.

But the high wattage one makes it so that my load wouldn't ever trip the fan, correct? That's all I want: fanless and cool. I mean if you're saying that the fanless 600w one is no warmer at 80% load than the 1200w one at 35% load, then OK, I guess I'll get a fanless one.

[jerubedo]

10 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

More heat from a semi-fanless PSU that is working fanless compared to a completely fanless one = semi-fanless runs hotter.

Right, but most of those fan-less ones are no higher than 80+ silver meaning they have ~86% efficiency at 80% load. So the 92% efficiency at 40% or less load works out to less heat.

[Stefan Payne]

Just now, FinalFantasyBros said:

But the high wattage one makes it so that my load wouldn't ever trip the fan, correct?

No, that's bullshit.

You have to look for Reviews of the unit and see how loud or not it is.

Some PSU are quiet, with or without a fan.

Some PSU are loud as hell, with or without a fan.

And some PSU have a darn loud fan.

Just now, FinalFantasyBros said:

That's all I want: fanless and cool.

That's an oxymoron. 

You can have it either cool or fanless.

Not BOTH!

 

Just now, FinalFantasyBros said:

I mean if you're saying that the fanless 600w one is no warmer at 80% load than the 1200w one at 35% load, then OK, I guess I'll get a fanless one.

420W vs 480W...

And also we don't know much about the heatsinks and other stuff.

So its impossible to say without actually measuring it.

[Stefan Payne]

3 minutes ago, jerubedo said:

Right, but most of those fan-less ones are no higher than 80+ silver meaning they have ~86% efficiency at 80% load. So the 92% efficiency at 40% or less load works out to less heat.

Where the heck do you get your information from?!
From 15 year old Computer Magazines from the Flea Market?!

 

There are only TWO fanless ATX units in recent years:
One Super Flower, one Seasonic.

And the Super Flower is gone already. Both were Gold.

And the Seasonic you can get right now is either Platinum or Titanium.

 

There is also something from smaller companys or that's not that well known like the Silverstone Nightjar SFX and the Enermax Digifanless.

But they are also PLATINUM.

[jerubedo]

1 minute ago, Stefan Payne said:

And the Seasonic you can get right now is either Platinum or Titanium.

Well THAT I was not aware of. I don't usually go for fan-less PSUs and I never have heard anything good about them. In that case I'd get behind the 600w Seasonic because then the efficiency is better than the 1200w under 40% load making it cooler.

[Jurrunio]

9 minutes ago, jerubedo said:

Right, but most of those fan-less ones are no higher than 80+ silver meaning they have ~86% efficiency at 80% load. So the 92% efficiency at 40% or less load works out to less heat.

I only put modular PSUs into builds this expensive, adding in "fanless" only leaves behind 80+ Platinum and Titanium options regardless of brand

[GoldenLag]

13 minutes ago, FinalFantasyBros said:

But the high wattage one makes it so that my load wouldn't ever trip the fan, correct? That's all I want: fanless and cool. I mean if you're saying that the fanless 600w one is no warmer at 80% load than the 1200w one at 35% load, then OK, I guess I'll get a fanless one.

Do not buy the 1200 watt unit. Its 1 not that silent, 2 there has been better units mentioned.

3 if you want fanless, grab a fanless unit. Even if it gets a little hot, it doesnt matter as there is no fan to kick up.

[jerubedo]

11 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

No, that's bullshit.

That part is not BS. The HX1200 only turns the fan on once load exceeds 40%, so if you are under 40% load, the fan assuredly does not turn on.

[thinwalrus]

Is this a troll topic? Or wtf is going on? I would like to see a cpu or gpu cooler run under 15dB on full load like these loud psu fans. Plus opening up the top of the case for 360 radiator will leak all noise out. 

 

 

Hx1200 is louder than rm750x. 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

 

 

[FinalFantasyBros]

2 minutes ago, thinwalrus said:

Is this a troll topic? Or wtf is going on? I would like to see a cpu or gpu cooler run under 15dB on full load like these loud psu fans. Plus opening up the top of the case for 360 radiator will leak all noise out. 

 

 

Hx1200 is louder than rm750x. 

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No of course it's not. I jsut want the quietest possible components. It sounds like the h150i is the quietest CPU cooler. It seems the 3 fam GPU is quieters than a single fan GPU. And it seems that a fanless or 1200w PSU is quieter.

 

HOW is the Hx1200 louder than the rm750x IF THE FAN DOESN'T KICK ON???? I don't understand some of these arguments. The PSU won't have the fan on so how exacly is it louder than a rm750x with a fan running?

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, FinalFantasyBros said:

And it seems that a fanless or 1200w PSU is quieter.

The 1200w is not quiter. Fanless is quitest but non of the other PSUs will actuallt be louder than other components, so in the end it doesnt matter and you just end up wasting money.

3 minutes ago, FinalFantasyBros said:

HOW is the Hx1200 louder than the rm750x IF THE FAN DOESN'T KICK ON????

Because under full load the PSUs fan will kick on. Its temp based and not wattage based. And the PSU wont be running in 20*C room temp 90% of the time. 

[FinalFantasyBros]

5 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Because under full load the PSUs fan will kick on. Its temp based and not wattage based. And the PSU wont be running in 20*C room temp 90% of the time. 

So are you saying their advertising is wrong then?

 

 

[LukeSavenije]

2 minutes ago, FinalFantasyBros said:

So are you saying their advertising is wrong then?

Sort of, yeah

 

you have to make a choice: a good fan and have it run quiet

 

or have it running a bit hotter and get a fanless psu

[GoldenLag]

10 minutes ago, FinalFantasyBros said:

So are you saying their advertising is wrong then?

its not "wrong" per say. but that curve is based on testing in a climate controlled enviroment. dont be surprised if the fan starts turning earlier. and your system will go over the "no fan zone" regardless. making it louder than the other PSUs mentioned. 

 

a good PSU is fine regardless. the 1200 watt unit is a waste of money. one could almost justify the fanless PSU if you were making a fanless system, but the total system noise will be the same, this is due to the other components being louder than the PSU fan of the good PSUs that have been mentioned

 

tl;dr: dont buy the 1200 watt PSU, grab on of the other units mentioned, or if want a actual silent PSU, the fanless is the way to go, but id recommend getting one of the good units mentioned

[FinalFantasyBros]

4 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

its not "wrong" per say. but that curve is based on testing in a climate controlled enviroment. dont be surprised if the fan starts turning earlier. and your system will go over the "no fan zone" regardless. making it louder than the other PSUs mentioned. 

 

a good PSU is fine regardless. the 1200 watt unit is a waste of money. one could almost justify the fanless PSU if you were making a fanless system, but the total system noise will be the same, this is due to the other components being louder than the PSU fan of the good PSUs that have been mentioned

 

tl;dr: dont buy the 1200 watt PSU, grab on of the other units mentioned, or if want a actual silent PSU, the fanless is the way to go, but id recommend getting one of the good units mentioned

On this forum they say the PSU doesn't turn on the fan REGARDLESS OF TEMP until 40% load (which matches what advertising says) I know it's the AX vs the HX but from what I can tell the fans work the same way on both:

 

https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/ax1200i-high-temperature-but-fan-not-running.1981417/

[FinalFantasyBros]

8 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

Sort of, yeah 

What's the story here then?

 

https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/ax1200i-high-temperature-but-fan-not-running.1981417/

 

They say it's regardless of temp and that it's all based on load.

[LukeSavenije]

Just now, FinalFantasyBros said:

What's the story here then?

 

https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/ax1200i-high-temperature-but-fan-not-running.1981417/

 

They say it's regardless of temp and that it's all based on load.

I'm lost here then, but that sounds like a broken otp to me

 

@jonnyGURU you design these, explain please

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, FinalFantasyBros said:

On this forum they say the PSU doesn't turn on the fan REGARDLESS OF TEMP until 40% load (which matches what advertising says) I know it's the AX vs the HX but from what I can tell the fans work the same way on both:

 

https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/ax1200i-high-temperature-but-fan-not-running.1981417/

the PSU is still a waste of money that wont make your system more silent. 

 

your system will trip the 40% load. or the 30% showed in the slide. and the moment the fans start spinning, as mentioned, its louder than the other units mentioned. 

[FinalFantasyBros]

Just now, GoldenLag said:

the PSU is still a waste of money that wont make your system more silent. 

 

your system will trip the 40% load. or the 30% showed in the slide. and the moment the fans start spinning, as mentioned, its louder than the other units mentioned. 

Last question, how would it trip 40% load though? If my load is 400w (and PCPP says it's less actually) then how am I tripping it? PCPP says 380w, which is less than 40% (and less than 35%).

[FinalFantasyBros]

23 hours ago, thinwalrus said:

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I don't understand why this has turned into such a volitile thread. I liked the build recommended and then everyone started fighting over what seems like nitty gritty details. I want a quiet build, as my original message says. Sound is cumulative. 20db from the case fans adds to the 30db of the GPU fan, which adds to the 15db of the PSU fan, which adds to the 20db of the HDD noise. When you add all those decibles it's loud. removing a decible here ad there HELPS. I have special HDD padding just to eliminate drive noise. All I want is the most quiet parts available on the market.

Edited March 14, 2019 by wkdpaul