My bottleneck, pls help

[Annoying]

Dear Linus,

 

I've just watched your bottleneck video and I've decided I'll try to get some help directly from experts.

Main thing, I'm pretty sure my current setups bottleneck is my CPU but I want to make sure so I'm asking for some advice.

Reason I'm thinking that the CPU is the reason for the bottleneck is because it is being used on high % most of the time.

 

My current setup:

Nvidia GTX 1050 Ti 4GB GDDR5

AMD A8-6600k

8GB DDR3 RAM (2x4 GB)

(A weird, i know) 1680x1050 Res Monitor 60Hz

600W PowerSupply

280GB SSD

1.5TB HDD SATA2

 

I know that my pc is pretty medium category but i feel like my 1050 is being held back by my processor. Could you give me some advices if it is the reason for the bottleneck or should I look somewhere else or could I fix it somehow?

My CPU is a little bit old. It is about 4-5 years old, might that mean something? It is pasted, I'm pasting it 2-3 times a year. It's idle temp is 70-77C.

 

I am planning on upgrading my setup in the near future. I would also like some advices on my upgrade plans if I'm on the right path and/or could you recommend something else in my upgrade plans (keeping the price range).

So first of all I'm mainly using my computer for gaming, sometimes streaming (being a little bit held back by my CPU rn), so in my upgrade I would like to focus on those things. So I've decided I'll save up some money to do a full upgrade which is:

 

First the CPU, I looked into some stuff in LinusTechTips vids and my decision landed on a

-Intel Core i5-8500 Hexa-Core 3GHz LGA1151

 

Second, since my previous CPU was AMD I will deffinetly need a new motherboard, and that would be a

-MSI Z370-A PRO

 

Next, this motherboard requires DDR4 RAMs so a

-G.SKILL Aegis 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 3000MHz F4-3000C16D-16GISB

(I'm guessing it isn't much of a difference other then clock speed, so I think I should look for the best price at identical clock speeds, and other than that it doesn't matter, please correct me if I'm wrong)

 

I will also need a cooler, so I've choosen a 

-Cooler Master MasterLiquid Lite 120 2000rpm (MLW-D12M-A20PW)

 

That is all I'm planning on upgrading right now (and monitor later). I know with this upgrade my GPU will become the bottleneck but I'm planning on upgrading that as well later on.

So I'd like some advice on whether or not my plans for upgrading is balanced out or not, and/or it is a good setup for gaming/streaming purposes. 

And will I need a PowerSupply upgrade, cz I'm not sure if I get all these good babies would my powersupply hold itself up.

 

                                   Current setup:                                                                                    Upgrade plan:

 

GPU:                           -Nvidia GTX 1050 Ti 4GB GDDR5                                                   -ASUS GeForce GTX 1080 8GB GDDR5X 256bit (possibly in the future)

CPU:                           -AMD A8-6600k                                                                                -Intel Core i5-8500 Hexa-Core 3GHz LGA1151

MotherB.:                    -ASUS A68HM-K                                                                              -MSI Z370-A PRO

RAM:                           -8GB DDR3 Ram (2x4 GB)                                                              -G.SKILL Aegis 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 3000MHz F4-3000C16D-16GISB

Monitor:                       -1680x1050 Res Monitor 60Hz                                                         -1440p/1080p Res atleast 120/144Hz

PowerSupply:              -600W                                                                                               -Undecided

 

 

I am really curious what is the bottleneck in my current setup. I barely started looking into pc building and I'm hoping my choices on upgrades are right. I'm looking forward for your answer. 

 

Respectfully,

Roland (Nickname: Annoying)

 

[KarathKasun]

A faster CPU would help, but the 1050 Ti is already stretched pretty thin at 1080p.

[Fasauceome]

12 minutes ago, Annoying said:

First the CPU, I looked into some stuff in LinusTechTips vids and my decision landed on a

-Intel Core i5-8500 Hexa-Core 3GHz LGA1151

 

Second, since my previous CPU was AMD I will deffinetly need a new motherboard, and that would be a

-MSI Z370-A PRO

Some revisions, don't get a Z series if you don't want an overclockable CPU, H370 or even B360 is just fine.

 

Also, Ryzen has excellent value, especially for your price point. A 2600 and a B450 puts the i5 segment to shame.

[Juniiii]

What’s your budget? If you don’t have much money, a msi tomahawk and a 2400g would do great for your system. If you have a bit more money, a msi gaming plus and a 2500. Refrain from using a 2600 since the gpu is quite weak compared to today’s standards (I’m an owner of everything I just said and I know how it performs) a overclock on the cpu could help but considering what you told us about the temps, it might not be a good idea.

[Juniiii]

1 minute ago, fasauceome said:

Some revisions, don't get a Z series if you don't want an overclockable CPU, H370 or even B360 is just fine.

 

Also, Ryzen has excellent value, especially for your price point. A 2600 and a B450 puts the i5 segment to shame.

I’d really be against the 2600 unless he’s planning to upgrade.

[tarfeef101]

Asking us if your system is bottlenecked is not the way to go if you actually have it. Here's what you should do:
 

1. Download a monitoring tool/tools such as MSI afterburner, and ensure it is open
2. Play your games
3. Look at the usage of your components during gameplay (CPU, CPU per core (to see if you have enough cores but the game isn't using all of them), GPU, RAM, VRAM...)
4. If something is at 100% usage but everything else isn't, that's what is your limiting factor

 

We can all guess and use prior experience to guess what generally is a bottleneck. But you are the one who can tell for sure, for your use case. So since you actually own the PC and this isn't theoretical, I highly advise you checky yourself

[Fasauceome]

Just now, Juniiii said:

I’d really be against the 2600 unless he’s planning to upgrade.

He is though? At least I get that impression from the post.

[Juniiii]

Just now, fasauceome said:

He is though? At least I get that impression from the post.

Upgrade the GPU***

[Juniiii]

I’m a dumbass one second

[Fasauceome]

Just now, Juniiii said:

Upgrade the GPU***

Oh well the 1050 TI won't last forever. @Annoying do you plan on more graphics horsepower later?

[Juniiii]

Okay yes, get a 2600 and it should be good with the 1080, I have a friend who has a 2600 with a 2070, works fine. A good PSU would probably be a EVGA 600b, it’s good for the price and works well. I’d try to get something modular/semi modular, since they are quite good if you like good cable management.

[Juniiii]

4 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

Oh well the 1050 TI won't last forever. @Annoying do you plan on more graphics horsepower later?

He does, I just didn’t bother reading everything 100%. The i5 beats the 2600 be a little, but it has 6 cores and 6 threads, the 2600 has 6 cores and 12 threads which is worth the 10% performance you would be loosing.

 

EDIT: THE THREAD AND CORE COUNT IS MY OPINION SINCE I DO WORK WITH THINGS THAT NEED MORE THREADS AND CORES. 

[Fasauceome]

1 minute ago, Juniiii said:

but it has 6 cores and 6 threads, the 2600 has 6 cores and 12 threads which is worth the 10% performance you would be loosing.

Not to mention, overclocking to close that gap is really really easy

[Annoying]

4 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

Oh well the 1050 TI won't last forever. @Annoying do you plan on more graphics horsepower later?

Yes, like I wrote in my post that I am well aware that my 1050 Ti will become a bottleneck with this specific upgrade, and I am planning on an upgrade later (possibly an 1080)

[Juniiii]

Just now, fasauceome said:

Not to mention, overclocking to close that gap is really really easy

Agreed, and the 2600 could easily up ocd to 4.2ghz? I think, don’t quote me on this.

[Fasauceome]

Just now, Juniiii said:

Agreed, and the 2600 could easily up ocd to 4.2ghz? I think, don’t quote me on this.

4.1 is usually more realistic because of Ryzen's voltage curve, but even 4.0 puts it right up there in performance.

[Juniiii]

1 minute ago, Annoying said:

Yes, like I wrote in my post that I am well aware that my 1050 Ti will become a bottleneck with this specific upgrade, and I am planning on an upgrade later (possibly an 1080)

The 2600 would be a perfect combo with the 1080, just like nachos and cheese.

[Annoying]

3 minutes ago, Juniiii said:

He does, I just didn’t bother reading everything 100%. The i5 beats the 2600 be a little, but it has 6 cores and 6 threads, the 2600 has 6 cores and 12 threads which is worth the 10% performance you would be loosing.

 

EDIT: THE THREAD AND CORE COUNT IS MY OPINION SINCE I DO WORK WITH THINGS THAT NEED MORE THREADS AND CORES. 

I was actually comparing the 2600 vs i5 and the reason I decided the intel cpu is because for gaming purposes the i5 is better, the 2600 is better in render and working.

Yes i know the 2 stays close together, the 2 mainstream processors, but for gaming the i5 beats the 2600 which is my main reason

[Juniiii]

Just now, Annoying said:

I was actually comparing the 2600 vs i5 and the reason I decided the intel cpu is because for gaming purposes the i5 is better, the 2600 is better in render and working.

Yes i know the 2 stays close together, the 2 mainstream processors, but for gaming the i5 beats the 2600 which is my main reason

If you want to live stream and game, the more threads would 100% be better for you. Your choice, just letting you know of the options

[Annoying]

Just now, Juniiii said:

If you want to live stream and game, the more threads would 100% be better for you. Your choice, just letting you know of the options

Thanks, I didn't know that, I might reconsider my choice then.

[Juniiii]

Just now, Annoying said:

Thanks, I didn't know that, I might reconsider my choice then.

I turned my old fx 6300 into a encoding pc since it has a good amount of threads but not so much on cores (3 core, 6 threads, the threads are supposedly as good as real cores, I don’t believe amd to this day about that) 

[Annoying]

53 minutes ago, tarfeef101 said:

Asking us if your system is bottlenecked is not the way to go if you actually have it. Here's what you should do:
 

1. Download a monitoring tool/tools such as MSI afterburner, and ensure it is open
2. Play your games
3. Look at the usage of your components during gameplay (CPU, CPU per core (to see if you have enough cores but the game isn't using all of them), GPU, RAM, VRAM...)
4. If something is at 100% usage but everything else isn't, that's what is your limiting factor

 

We can all guess and use prior experience to guess what generally is a bottleneck. But you are the one who can tell for sure, for your use case. So since you actually own the PC and this isn't theoretical, I highly advise you checky yourself

 

 

So I've done some testing in Dying Light absolute maximum settings on 1050p (my monitors max res) alt-tabbed in MSI Afterburner and seems like the other software I was using for monitoring my CPU temp was false information, also i couldn't get it to show framerates. So seems like my current setup is almost evenly balanced out on the CPU and GPU side. So if I want to upgrade I need to upgrade both CPU and GPU. Am I correct?

[Juniiii]

Just now, Annoying said:

 

 

So I've done some testing in Dying Light absolute maximum settings on 1050p (my monitors max res) alt-tabbed in MSI Afterburner and seems like the other software I was using for monitoring my CPU temp was false information. So seems like my current setup is almost evenly balanced out on the CPU and GPU side. So if I want to upgrade I need to upgrade both CPU and GPU. Am I correct?

Yes and no, upgrade the cpu since that’s what’s keeping you behind for the most part, then the GPU. I had the 1050ti with a a8-3870k, no bottlenecks but the cpu was always strained. I upgraded to a 6300 with the 1050ti, and wayyy better performance was brought in doing that. Then I got a 2200g which was still paired with the same cpu, and I got even better performance. CPU is a bit more important than GPU, from my experience at least. First CPU and make GPU the last to upgrade.

[Annoying]

5 minutes ago, Juniiii said:

Yes and no, upgrade the cpu since that’s what’s keeping you behind for the most part, then the GPU. I had the 1050ti with a a8-3870k, no bottlenecks but the cpu was always strained. I upgraded to a 6300 with the 1050ti, and wayyy better performance was brought in doing that. Then I got a 2200g which was still paired with the same cpu, and I got even better performance. CPU is a bit more important than GPU, from my experience at least. First CPU and make GPU the last to upgrade.

I had pretty bad framerates on the maximum settings (obviously since 1050ti) but when I bring down the settings where I get comfortable FPS I'm still struggling with random stutters (not too often tho). Isn't that a sign of a CPU bottleneck?

[Juniiii]

4 minutes ago, Annoying said:

I had pretty bad framerates on the maximum settings (obviously since 1050ti) but when I bring down the settings where I get comfortable FPS I'm still struggling with random stutters (not too often tho). Isn't that a sign of a CPU bottleneck?

 Yea that’s your CPU, my 3870k did the same thing