Threadripper 1950x persistent BSOD Memory Management

[AMHDesign]

Hi guys,

 

I'm at a loss, and completely run out of ideas on how to fix whatever the problem is.

For over a year , ever since i've had my system, it has had persistent BSOD issues. 99% of the time it reads the error code MEMORY_MANAGEMENT. It is a work cp mainly used for 3D modeling and heavy rendering and has never run any games etc. The problem happens anywhere from 2 times a week to 2 times a day. Usually like clock work -- either after a day of heavy work like Modo or Vray CPU renders OR maybe  3 days/week of medium sized Photoshop documents. Might crash while using the programs OR might crash after I've already closed all applications and is just idling (maybe a few chrome tabs open).

It gets to the point that I won't even listen to music or have multiple applications open. Saving 2-3 copies of everything every 20 min out of paranoia.

It almost feel like its storing up a cache and when it hits a certain point it just dumps everything and BSODs

 

I have run memory scans, all the RAM chips have been tested multiple times. All my programs have been tried on different versions (but it can happen on idle). The BIOS was updated and so were drivers/windows updates.

I should note I have never pulled out any components personally for fear of voiding warranty. Originally it had a M.2 SSD in it but was switched because it was overheating the MoBo and putting the system into a restart loop. The last time i took it in the guy found a leftover piece of tape on the M.2 slot (maybe caused the OG overheating) but couldn't find a problem with the ram sticks.

 

Just because timing, I got the Threadrippper 1950x the day it was released and have read complaints stating that first-gen was kinda buggy, particularly mentioning memory issues and discrepancies in frequencies between the TR and ram 

Should I try the TR2... would i have been better off getting the intel i9?

 

The system is: 

CPU:  AMD Threadripper 1950x 3.4Ghz

MoBo:  Asus ROG Strix X399-e Gaming eatx

RAM:  Corsair Vengance LPX D4 4x16GB 2666MHz (64gb)

GPU:  Asus Geforce GTX1080ti Strix oc 11

Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SATA

NZXT Kraken x52 Liquid Cooling

Widows 10 home

 

Please, any knowledge or input would be so helpful. (help me)

Cheers!

 

 

[KarathKasun]

Re-seat CPU and re-seat memory.

[nick name]

Like @KarathKasun said.  It seems to help others.  

[nick name]

Also, when you say memory scans -- can you be more specific?

[AMHDesign]

Thank you! I will try re-seating first. Also personally I've only run the standard windows memory diagnostic and run a Repair/Check Windows system files (nothing ever found)

[Jurrunio]

If reseating doesnt work, drop the speed to 2133MHz with XMP (if it has one) turned off. That should stop instability caused by TR's weak memory controller.

[nick name]

4 minutes ago, AMHDesign said:

Thank you! I will try re-seating first. Also personally I've only run the standard windows memory diagnostic and run a Repair/Check Windows system files (nothing ever found)

There are some options folks use to test memory overclocks that should be far superior to the Windows option.  Karhu makes a paid version that I like quite a bit.  It isn't expensive and then you can Google free options with TM5 and memtest86 being popular versions.  

 

Also, if you wanna find something called Ryzen Timing Checker (by the Stilt) and show us the settings that may help someone glean something useful that may help you.  

[AMHDesign]

Ok, if re seating doesn't work i'll try that. I'm not sure what xmp setting it is on at the moment.  Is the memory controller instability a problem in the new TR? (2950x ect) or a problem in the i9?

[KarathKasun]

5 minutes ago, AMHDesign said:

Ok, if re seating doesn't work i'll try that. I'm not sure if it what xmp setting it is on at the moment.  Is the memory controller instability a problem in the new TR? (2950x ect) or a problem in the i9?

It just comes with using high density sticks (Ryzen 1 in general only officially supports 2400 with dual rank modules like the ones you have), you likely need to increase the SoC voltage to 1v-1.05v and memory voltage to 1.35v.

 

TR2 is a bit better with memory.

 

i9 Im not sure about, but Intel is known for better memory controllers.  Not sure if that translates to better performance though.

[AMHDesign]

Side note: recently it started a new thing. Turns on fine every 2/3 time but the randomly when powered on from shut down the windows login screen doesn't appear. Just black screen and nothing happens forcing me to hard shutdown and power up again. On a single occasion powering up with not my user (i am the only user) but instead DESKTOP-bunch of letters/numbers and couldn't click to enter name or anything

[AMHDesign]

Thanks everyone! I'll test these out tonight!

[nick name]

38 minutes ago, AMHDesign said:

Side note: recently it started a new thing. Turns on fine every 2/3 time but the randomly when powered on from shut down the windows login screen doesn't appear. Just black screen and nothing happens forcing me to hard shutdown and power up again. On a single occasion powering up with not my user (i am the only user) but instead DESKTOP-bunch of letters/numbers and couldn't click to enter name or anything

I've never seen an instance of this or even heard of it, but I would give this a try:

 

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/929833/use-the-system-file-checker-tool-to-repair-missing-or-corrupted-system