Zen 2 multi dies

[Jacket_spice]

I'd like to start a little friendly discussion over what you think is going on with zen 2 dies

 

Imao: I believe its a cost-saving measure with no real performance deficit because to make an r7 with 12c/24t they just have to make 2 r3 6c/12t dies and slap em on the same chip and the same with r9 if wccftech (and a handful of other leakers) are to be believed: https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-3000-specs-prices-leaked-upto-16-cores-5-1ghz-on-am4/

 

I do have a video on this on a little youtube video I posted a couple weeks ago but id only recommend this if you are truly curious of what I think, in other words, it is terrible quality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP6jM2Fh7go

 

[mxk]

7 minutes ago, Jacket_spice said:

12c/32t

math

[Fasauceome]

The only "performance deficit" would come from too much heat on one package, but even then these designs are being touted as very efficient so I doubt that's even an issue.

[Jacket_spice]

20 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

The only "performance deficit" would come from too much heat on one package, but even then these designs are being touted as very efficient so I doubt that's even an issue.

I know but this was just to see what you guys thought

I personly don't think it would be but its whatever

 

21 minutes ago, mxk. said:

math

yeah, I was thinking about the r9 and typing about the r7 at the same time so...

[Sousuke]

This is basically what's going on in Intel & AMD HQ. 

 

 

[GoldenLag]

i mean overall latency is down according to AMD. so we will have to wait and see. 

 

 

the multidie is mostly a cost saving but also the way to go in terms of increased core counts. 

16 minutes ago, Jacket_spice said:

and a handful of other leakers

essentially AdoredTV who seems to have acquired a very good source/sources.

 

 

atm Zen 2 is allready very good though final product is some stretch away. 16 cores is likely. and for those afraid of memmory bandwhidt, the 2990wx bug being explained have pretty much thrown that out of the window

[Jacket_spice]

11 minutes ago, Sousuke said:

This is basically what's going on in Intel & AMD HQ. 

except for Intel didn't catch on fast enough and it's actually working for AMD

 

10 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

i mean overall latency is down according to AMD. so we will have to wait and see. 

 

the multidie is mostly a cost saving but also the way to go in terms of increased core counts. 

essentially AdoredTV who seems to have acquired a very good source/sources.

 

atm Zen 2 is allready very good though final product is some stretch away. 16 cores is likely. and for those afraid of memmory bandwhidt, the 2990wx bug being explained have pretty much thrown that out of the window

I know it didn't originally come from wccftech but they presented it well and I think it going to be much better than deactivating SMS to get lower end parts

[r2724r16]

3 minutes ago, Jacket_spice said:

except for Intel didn't catch on fast enough and it's actually working for AMD

Both Intel's and AMD's high end mainstream CPUs have 8c/16t (the 9900K and 2700x). I don't see how Intel hasn't caught up.

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, Jacket_spice said:

deactivating SMS

deactivating what now?

1 minute ago, Jacket_spice said:

I know it didn't originally come from wccftech

a lot of the recent AMD news have originated from AdoredTV aswell as Nvidia News. anything Zen and AMD related is likely to come from him. Mostly because he has proven to leakers that he is a reliable person to leak to and he has allready aquired quite a few people leaking to him. sadly he doesnt have that many sources within Intel, or Intel doesnt have much to show. 

[Jacket_spice]

Just now, Geography said:

Both Intel's and AMD's high end mainstream CPUs have 8c/16t (the 9900K and 2700x). I don't see how Intel hasn't caught up.

while you are right about current high-end amd released zen plus in response to 8th gen intel zen2 is in response to 9th gen intel sooooo yes but no but also yes

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, Geography said:

Both Intel's and AMD's high end mainstream CPUs have 8c/16t (the 9900K and 2700x). I don't see how Intel hasn't caught up.

the 9900k is a "meh" part due to pricing. its a good CPU, but nothing remarkable due to the sudden price jump. the fact Intel is playing catchup is telling in what situation they are in. 

 

also "mainstream". at that pricepoint you can also Label TR4 as mainstream......

 

what they havent caught up in is architecturally. Intel has started a game they cant win atm. and that is a game of cores, cores and more cores. 

[Jacket_spice]

1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

deactivating what now?

a lot of the recent AMD news have originated from AdoredTV aswell as Nvidia News. anything Zen and AMD related is likely to come from him. Mostly because he has proven to leakers that he is a reliable person to leak to and he has allready aquired quite a few people leaking to him. sadly he doesnt have that many sources within Intel, or Intel doesnt have much to show. 

sorry it corrected the plural abbreviation of surface mounts (which kinda sorta link cores together) to SMS

and also yes I understand that like I said I like how they presented it

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, Jacket_spice said:

sorry it corrected the plural abbreviation of surface mounts (which kinda sorta link cores together) to SMS

You mean the IF between the CCXs?

[Jacket_spice]

14 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

the 9900k is a "meh" part due to pricing. its a good CPU, but nothing remarkable due to the sudden price jump. the fact Intel is playing catchup is telling in what situation they are in. 

 

also "mainstream". at that pricepoint you can also Label TR4 as mainstream......

 

what they havent caught up in is architecturally. Intel has started a game they cant win atm. and that is a game of cores, cores and more cores. 

true especially since (for all its really worth) amd did bring bulldozer with the first 8 core consumer chip and for all those people who hate the battle of cores and wantonly and purely higher frequency try doing 75% of workstation ish tasks with a high frequency low core count CPU it is useful to some of us

 

10 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

You mean the IF between the CCXs?

yes but sm is kinda the more lamens term and more commonly used with GPUs which I tend to pay slightly more attention to

[GoldenLag]

9 minutes ago, Jacket_spice said:

true especially since (for all its really worth) amd did bring bulldozer with the first 8 core consumer chip

"Cores". Depending on how you count and who you ask. It only had 4 cores and 8 execution units

[Jacket_spice]

1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

"Cores". Depending on how you count and who you ask. It only had 4 cores and 8 execution units

yeah, ill take that plus it ran super hot for very little performance what was it 185w tdp?

[GoldenLag]

15 minutes ago, Jacket_spice said:

yeah, ill take that plus it ran super hot for very little performance what was it 185w tdp?

Well, at least they arent "lying" about the TDP. 

 

Though intel is taking the TDP crown with some 14 core skylake X part being rumoured. And i think that was 255 watts intel TDP

[Jacket_spice]

42 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Well, at least they arent "lying" about the TDP. 

 

Though intel is taking the TDP crown with some 14 core skylake X part being rumoured. And i think that was 255 watts intel TDP

yes but if Intel was marketing bulldozer it would have been 95w tdp