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Just now, Arika S said:

"shady"? should they not try and improve on their products? the GTX 1070 was roughly on par with the 980ti. the 970 was close enough to the 780ti. with the next generation the next lowest tier (70/70ti down to 60) is going to be roughly the same if not better. so with the RTX 30xx, the 3070 is likely going to be around 2080ti performance.

 

maybe you're sick of their business practices because you dont understand how the market works.

i think maybe you should try reading through what ive written again and come back

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eh, we'll see.

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14 minutes ago, COTG said:

How can the RTX 2060 be faster than the 1070ti in non ray tracing applications?... That would make it just a bit slower than the RTX 2070.

Really starting to get sick and tired of Nvidia's shady business practices and marketing techniques

where did you see that? 

 

and according to the Cuda Cores, the 2060 will be between the 1070 and 1070Ti, and you know damn well the Ray tracing will be non functional on that card

 

(yes i took into account that Turing is faster than Pascal)

Quote or Tag people so they know that you've replied.

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6 minutes ago, COTG said:

i think maybe you should try reading through what ive written again and come back

with only 2304 CUDA cores in the RTX 2070 compared to the 1920 in the RTX 2060, that's totally possible

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Just now, Arika S said:

Instead of being facetious you could try acctually responding in a normal way that doesn't make you look like as ass. This is how products get made. The new version that comes out will be better than the previous one. So yes the 2060 is going to be on par or better than the 1070ti which is also worse than the 2070. It's not hard to understand, or would you rather they stagnate their products intentionally to fit your perception of how they should perform?

 

I am being facetious because you are missing my point. Nvidia will not cannibalize their own lineup, the 2070, with a new product launch, meaning the performance numbers they have stated at CES is only in highly selective workloads and hence can be seen as deceptive marketing.  

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1 minute ago, syn2112 said:

where did you see that? 

 

and according to the Cuda Cores, the 2060 will be between the 1070 and 1070Ti, and you know damn well the Ray tracing will be non functional on that card

 

(yes i took into account that Turing is faster than Pascal)

during nvidias CES presentation there was a graph showcasing the 2060's traditional rasterization performance, placing it on par-slighlty above the 1070ti

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4 minutes ago, COTG said:

during nvidias CES presentation there was a graph showcasing the 2060's traditional rasterization performance, placing it on par-slighlty above the 1070ti

I'll tell you, that would mean it would come damn close to the 2070. 1070 ti on par at best...

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the current form of RTX 2060 can totally be the fastest model and paves the way for a whole bunch of slower SKUs with cut down cores. Leaks of 3GB, 4GB and 6GB with GDDR6 and GDDR5(x) have surfaced and the 1060 shows that Nvidia is totally not afraid of cutting down stuff just to make a billion RTX 2060s..

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Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

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SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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