Gotta quick question.

[True1q2w]

So i upgraded from a FX - 8320E and a 990fxa MSI MOBO to a Ryzen 7 1700X and a X470 MSI MOBO and also bought a SAMSUNG 860 Evo 250gb SSD. I ran into the problem that I had ddr3 ram sticks and i need ddr4 and so I bought a stick of ddr4 4gb pacific sun ram, and well I think that's my problem. Things are running slow, for example, Rust takes about 15-20 minutes to load up and then it just crashes. With something like CSGO I get 300+ fps with no problems at all. Would you guys recommend me to invest in more and better ram? Or do you think it is a software problem? 

 

I am also thinking about buying another GTX 960 SSC and just SLI it with my current 960. Would you guys think that would help performance better? 

 

PC SPECS;

 

Ryzen 7 1700X 

MSI X470 GAMING MOBO

NVIDIA GTX 960 SSC; EVGA

4GB DDR4 2400mgh

EVGA 800 PSU of some sort

1TB HHD

250GB SAMSUNG 860 SSD

COOLER MASTER 212 EVO - It dosent properly fit on this board but it works and im too tight on money to be able to upgrade something that isn't complete needed to upgrade. 

 

Let me know if i should upgrade those components or if something software side is messing up my PC.

 

Also is the SLI idea a good one?

 

Thanks guys! Have a Great day! 

[LukeSavenije]

sli isn't a good plan imo. I outperform a 980 sli setup (4k 3dmark pc) with my 1070 ti. I would recommend upgrading your ram to 2x8 3000 mhz+

[Jack The Banana Developer]

so i had a similar problem to solve it i went to replace the ram, its all to do with how quick local memory can be accessed and stored 

[Boomwebsearch]

Just now, True1q2w said:

I am also thinking about buying another GTX 960 SSC and just SLI it with my current 960. Would you guys think that would help performance better? 

Getting another GTX 960 should improve your system's performance, also if you manage to find one at a really good deal in terms of cost then it could present way better option then upgrading to something like the GTX1050Ti at MSRP full cost. Maybe upgrade to 8 GB which should give more buffer for the CPU to perform to the best of its ability in certain applications.

 

Just now, LukeSavenije said:

I outperform a 980 sli setup (4k 3dmark pc) with my 1070 ti.

Possible, although does the two systems which you are comparing have the same other specifications such as RAM and the processor? The older cards like the 980 and 960 could present better value if found at great prices used or refurbished. Really depends on the deals you can find, take them to a spreadsheet and calculate their cost to performance ratio (lower meaning better) and go with that if you do not already have another card in your system, if you already have this one then compare the SLI score of a 960 to the other single card which you found. If you can, then go with a used or refurbished card which will give you better price to performance.

[LukeSavenije]

2 minutes ago, Boomwebsearch said:

Possible, although does the two systems which you are comparing have the same other specifications such as RAM and the processor? The older cards like the 980 and 960 could present better value if found at great prices used or refurbished. Really depends on the deals you can find, take them to a spreadsheet and calculate their cost to performance ratio (lower meaning better) and go with that if you do not already have another card in your system, if you already have this one then compare the SLI score of a 960 to the other single card which you found. If you can, then go with a used or refurbished card which will give you better price to performance. 

well, 16 gigs, 4790k vs 8600k and 1070 ti vs 980 sli

 

if sli would work perfect, true. but that's not always the case..

[Fasauceome]

9 minutes ago, True1q2w said:

4GB DDR4 2400mgh

Ooooooooof

That is brutal, I tell ya. You need some more ram my friend.

 

If you want more GPU power after you update, you can go with just about anything, so grab maybe an RX 580 off eBay? 

[Brooksie359]

Yeah your computer is pagefillinv and causing things to lag so hard they crash would be my guess. You need more than 4gb of ram is the bottom line. 

[Brooksie359]

Rust even has 8gb of ram as the system requirements to run the game so it isn't a surprise that it doesn't run well on your pc. 

[kb5zue]

According to the MSI website, here is a list of usable ram for that mobo.

 

1866/ 2133/ 2400/ 2667 Mhz by JEDEC, and 2667/ 2800/ 2933/ 3000/ 3066/ 3200/ 3466 Mhz by A- XMP mode

 

Unfortunately MSI does NOT test ram against the mobo so there is no Qualified Vendors List.  Just another reason to stick with ASUS.

[Boomwebsearch]

16 minutes ago, True1q2w said:

4GB DDR4 2400mgh

 

5 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

Ooooooooof

That is brutal, I tell ya. You need some more ram my friend.

 

3 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

Yeah your computer is pagefillinv and causing things to lag so hard they crash would be my guess. You need more than 4gb of ram is the bottom line. 

 

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Rust even has 8gb of ram as the system requirements to run the game so it isn't a surprise that it doesn't run well on your pc. 

I agree, that this system would do a lot better having more RAM. Do you currently have the 4GB in a single stick (then you could add more depending on how many RAM slots), or you may have the need to swap all of your RAM out or some of it in the case that you are using up all of the available slots on your motherboard currently?

Edited January 3, 2019 by Boomwebsearch
Added another quote to support my argument made within this post towards the 4GB of RAM being enough.

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, kb5zue said:

Unfortunately MSI does NOT test ram against the mobo so there is no Qualified Vendors List.  Just another reason to stick with ASUS.

we'll talk about asus mistakes later...

 

 

[BuzzLookAnAlien]

Oh god why so little RAM

[wONKEyeYEs]

15 minutes ago, True1q2w said:

4GB DDR4 2400mgh

This in no way is enough RAM to game on Windows with.

8GB is the absolute minimum with 16GB preferred.

And for infinity fabric it is slow.

RAM speed is much more important here than for intel.

[Boomwebsearch]

3 minutes ago, OnyxArmos said:

Oh god why so little RAM

Honestly, I am not that surprised as most of the low budget laptops are still being sold with only 2GB of RAM. Although, in the world of now with modern computing software more RAM is needed than that depending on what software you want to run on your computer system.

[True1q2w]

Alright, thanks a lot to all the people that replied with reasonable things. I am going to upgrade to 8gb of ram but I am switching to a different brand due to this company having the highest return rate at frys. Anyone have a good brand they would suggest that I can get at a good price? No RGB OF DEATH NEEDED!

[True1q2w]

4 minutes ago, OnyxArmos said:

Oh god why so little RAM

It was a last minute buy one a budget. I planned to upgrade anyways.

[LukeSavenije]

2 minutes ago, True1q2w said:

Alright, thanks a lot to all the people that replied with reasonable things. I am going to upgrade to 8gb of ram but I am switching to a different brand due to this company having the highest return rate at frys. Anyone have a good brand they would suggest that I can get at a good price? No RGB OF DEATH NEEDED!

gskill, corsair, team, kingston, crucial, adata, geil, samsung and sk hynix

 

for example

Edited January 3, 2019 by LukeSavenije

[Boomwebsearch]

3 minutes ago, wONKEyeYEs said:

8GB is the absolute minimum with 16GB preferred.

Depends on what software you are using, although for most users 8GB is more than enough. Sometimes, if you are editing videos or doing advanced model rendering, you may need a lot more ram such as 32GB, 64GB, 128GB, etc. The RAM speed is not the only consideration for multitasking, programs sometimes need actual listed RAM amounts to run, otherwise they sometimes will refuse to open and will immediately crash if you are able to install it somehow.

[Brooksie359]

1 minute ago, True1q2w said:

Alright, thanks a lot to all the people that replied with reasonable things. I am going to upgrade to 8gb of ram but I am switching to a different brand due to this company having the highest return rate at frys. Anyone have a good brand they would suggest that I can get at a good price? No RGB OF DEATH NEEDED!

Gskills usually works well with ryzen. I would choose something from either corsair or gskills and preferably ripjaws v, trident z or flare x. Flare x is the best you can get but tends to be expensive. If you can find gskills flare x ram for a reasonable price I would get that.  

[Boomwebsearch]

14 minutes ago, True1q2w said:

Alright, thanks a lot to all the people that replied with reasonable things. I am going to upgrade to 8gb of ram but I am switching to a different brand due to this company having the highest return rate at frys. Anyone have a good brand they would suggest that I can get at a good price? No RGB OF DEATH NEEDED!

 

I have linked some good value RAM for you system, what brand are you using currently (failure of RAM is not that usual and there are a lot of people I know that get blue screens and buy RAM just to return the next day after they use it to test their old RAM, therefore they usually go with cheaper alternative models. Look at the RMA rate which should indicate reliability a lot more if that is something you are concerned towards. This one does not have any RGB, although if you want it for aesthetics that it okay although those ones are being sold at a lot higher costs as a general statement. Mixing and matching memory can work although can also not work, how many RAM slots are you using out of the ones available on your motherboard, so that I could recommend maybe one that has more memory per stick and you could mix and match with the RAM you have, although expect higher error chance and its not usually good when trying to optimize reliability?

 

 

link to the aforementioned product:      https://www.frys.com/product/9266359?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

[True1q2w]

5 minutes ago, Boomwebsearch said:

 

I have linked some good value RAM for you system, what brand are you using currently (failure of RAM is not that usual and there are a lot of people I know that get blue screens and buy RAM just to return the next day after they use it to test their old RAM, therefore they usually go with cheaper alternative models. Look at the RMA rate which should indicate reliability a lot more if that is something you are concerned towards. This one does not have any RGB, although if you want it for aesthetics that it okay although those ones are being sold at a lot higher costs as a general statement.

 

 

link to the aforementioned product:      https://www.frys.com/product/9266359?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

Yep that is the exact ram and the exact place I got it from. Would you think I could get away with just buying the same ram again and double it up from4 to 8?

[LukeSavenije]

Just now, True1q2w said:

Yep that is the exact ram and the exact place I got it from. Would you think I could get away with just buying the same ram again and double it up from4 to 8?

you could get away with it. but I think you shouldn't. get some nice 3000 mhz sticks from a reputable brand and it will give you much more than this...

[wONKEyeYEs]

18 minutes ago, Boomwebsearch said:

Depends on

Yes, but I qualified...

24 minutes ago, wONKEyeYEs said:

to game on Windows

 

[Boomwebsearch]

1 minute ago, True1q2w said:

Yep that is the exact ram and the exact place I got it from. Would you think I could get away with just buying the same ram again and double it up from4 to 8?

 

7 minutes ago, Boomwebsearch said:

although expect higher error chance and its not usually good when trying to optimize reliability?

 

Okay that answers my initial previous question. You could get away with doing another stick of RAM, and since you already have this same one that is even better for reliability and not using mixed up ram from different models and brands! You could go up-to I think 16GB with 4GB per RAM module as a side note if you decide on more than 8GB.

 

2 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

you could get away with it. but I think you shouldn't. get some nice 3000 mhz sticks from a reputable brand and it will give you much more than this...

That's not going to get you better value for the money, if you have the budget then why not upgrade to like 4200 mhz models with RGB? But in all seriousness, I would suggest going the way of doubling this stick to get 8GB if that is how much you want to upgrade to. Higher speeds, could show better results in certain applications although not that much from 2400 to 3000 considering in the lot of extra cost from my research, and that the original poster has this same one which would improve this system's reliability and lower incompatibility problems which are potential.

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, Boomwebsearch said:

That's not going to get you better value for the money, if you have the budget then why not upgrade to like 4200 mhz models with RGB? But in all seriousness, I would suggest going the way of doubling this stick to get 8GB if that is how much you want to upgrade to. Higher speeds, could show better results in certain applications although not that much from 2400 to 3000 considering in the lot of extra cost from my research, and that the original poster has this same one which would improve this system's reliability and lower incompatibility problems which are potential.

on ryzen too? I see kits for not that much more from much more reliable brands. I can get a 2x8 3000 mhz cas15 kit for around 105 dollars, I don't see why not?