psu Is 500W enough?

[Diabetix]

I recently bought a gaming pc which has a psu that i never heard of

My specs:

GPU: MSI Aero RTX 2070

CPU: Ryzen 5 2600

PSU: FSP Hyper M 500W

Mainboard: MSI B 450-A PRO

Case: FSP CMT 520

 

It says: meet 85 plus, but there is no certificate. Does anyone know of that brand? I'm planning on adding 3 fans and maybe overclocking my gpu or cpu. Should i replace the psu? 

 

[Fasauceome]

1 minute ago, Diabetix said:

Should i replace the psu? 

Probably, system integrators have a habit of using cheap power supplies. Unless this was local custom, then as the seller.

[cesarbg]

Not enough. Get something better just to be sure. 

[Turtle Rig]

Your going to damage your hardware with that junk PSU from china lol.  I recommend at least Gold rating and 600watts minimum for that rig, and Im also thinking of the future when a new card comes out and needs more power then the current RTX..... So it is a good investment. 

[Guest]

Replace it with cx 2017 550w minimum, personally I'd go for the RMx 2018 550w which is on a sale rn ($75). 

[Diabetix]

10 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Your going to damage your hardware with that junk PSU from china lol.  I recommend at least Gold rating and 600watts minimum for that rig, and Im also thinking of the future when a new card comes out and needs more power then the current RTX..... So it is a good investment. 

The funny thing is that it has a really good rating on the german Amazon. It also says that it has a 85 plus efficiency. Is FSP really that bad?

[Rexper]

21 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Your going to damage your hardware with that junk PSU from china lol.  I recommend at least Gold rating and 600watts minimum for that rig, and Im also thinking of the future when a new card comes out and needs more power then the current RTX..... So it is a good investment. 

Wow. Literally 99.9% of power supplies are made in China.

Unless electricity is very expensive, gold efficiency won’t save OP much.

450w is even fine for that rig. GPUs should just become more efficient. 550w should be fine for any single GPU system.

A better investment is in a quality PSU, which you can find by reading reviews.

 

By analysing the internals, I can tell you the FSP Hyper M is not suitable for your PC.

Where are you located? What’s available to you?

[Ehrix]

I would get a 650w to play it safe. 

[Rexper]

6 minutes ago, Diabetix said:

The funny thing is that it has a really good rating on the german Amazon. It also says that it has a 85 plus efficiency. Is FSP really that bad?

Consumer reviews literally mean nothing. They just tell you if it turns on or not after a week. Because it cost a lot of money and knowledge to properly test power supplies.

Efficiency is not a sign of quality, they aren’t linked at all. Just a sign of how much it may affect your electricity bill. You can have a quality PSU that’s inefficient, you can also have a crappy PSU that’s rather efficient.

No, FSP isn’t bad. That specific model isn’t suitable for your system. You can generalise by brand when it comes to power supplies.

[Diabetix]

1 minute ago, Rexper said:

Wow. Literally 99.9% of power supplies are made in China.

Unless electricity is very expensive, gold efficiency won’t save OP much.

460w is even fine for that rig. GPUs should just become more efficient.

A better investment is in a quality PSU, which you can find by reading reviews.

 

By analysing the internals, I can tell you the FSP Hyper M is not suitable for your PC.

Where are you located? What’s available to you?

I live in Germany. Every PSU should be available here. The Problem is that i bought the pc only 3-4 weeks ago. Can i use the PSU for about 1-2 years and then change it or will it damage my pc?

[Mattias Edeslatt]

34 minutes ago, cesarbg said:

Not enough. Get something better just to be sure. 

In what way is it not enough? Care to elaborate? "Get something better just to be sure", are you just guessing here and going on a hunch?

30 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Your going to damage your hardware with that junk PSU from china lol.  I recommend at least Gold rating and 600watts minimum for that rig, and Im also thinking of the future when a new card comes out and needs more power then the current RTX..... So it is a good investment. 

OK, name a PSU that is not produced in china or have most of it's components from China in one form or another? China is not = crap just as Japan or Taiwan is not = good. You get what you specify and pay for, no mater where it's from.

11 minutes ago, TheDeathDragon said:

I would get a 650w to play it safe. 

Safe? Safe from what? Flooding? What in his rig needs 650W of power? There is no need for more than 450W to be "on the safe side". 

 

If we both would have the same setup, I would buy a good quality 450 PSU and you can buy your "650W to be safe" PSU regardless of quality (as it's the watts that are important, right?) and we shall se who post here first with failing components and strange errors as we really get the systems thru their paces and make good use of the CPU and GPU power.

[Ehrix]

6 minutes ago, Mattias Edeslatt said:

In what way is it not enough? Care to elaborate? "Get something better just to be sure", are you just guessing here and going on a hunch?

OK, name a PSU that is not produced in china or have most of it's components from China in one form or another? China is not = crap just as Japan or Taiwan is not = good. You get what you specify and pay for, no mater where it's from.

Safe? Safe from what? Flooding? What in his rig needs 650W of power? There is no need for more than 450W to be "on the safe side". 

 

If we both would have the same setup, I would buy a good quality 450 PSU and you can buy your "650W to be safe" PSU regardless of quality (as it's the watts that are important, right?) and we shall se who post here first with failing components and strange errors as we really get the systems thru their paces and make good use of the CPU and GPU power.

My RTX 2070 says to use a 650watt power supply. 

[OrionFOTL]

2 minutes ago, TheDeathDragon said:

My RTX 2070 says to use a 650watt power supply. 

Power supply requirements printed on graphics card boxes are just like minimum and recommended hardware requirements printed on game boxes.

 

Real world power consumption tests of RTX 2070 OC say the card uses 223W at peak under load.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_RTX_2070_Strix_OC/29.html

[Diabetix]

1 minute ago, TheDeathDragon said:

My RTX 2070 says to use a 650watt power supply. 

Mine says 550watt. Which RTX 2070 do you have

[Mattias Edeslatt]

@TheDeathDragon Yes, and McD says their coffee is hot. They don't want to be sued for someone trying to get the card running on an old Dell or HP with a 350W PSU that is more then enough for intended use and original specification.

 

If you build a computer that have use for a 650W PSU you probably needs more than a 2070 anyhow.

[Turtle Rig]

56 minutes ago, Rexper said:

Wow. Literally 99.9% of power supplies are made in China.

Unless electricity is very expensive, gold efficiency won’t save OP much.

450w is even fine for that rig. GPUs should just become more efficient. 550w should be fine for any single GPU system.

A better investment is in a quality PSU, which you can find by reading reviews.

 

By analysing the internals, I can tell you the FSP Hyper M is not suitable for your PC.

Where are you located? What’s available to you?

sorry I meant to say like a cheap Chinese company...…. that no ones heard of.   The parts wont be quality is what I mean......

[seon123]

1 minute ago, Turtle Rig said:

sorry I meant to say like a cheap Chinese company...…. that no ones heard of.   The parts wont be quality is what I mean......

FSP is one of the big PSU OEMs. They are full capable of making good PSUs, both under their own brand, and for e.g. Be Quiet. 

[Turtle Rig]

25 minutes ago, seon123 said:

FSP is one of the big PSU OEMs. They are full capable of making good PSUs, both under their own brand, and for e.g. Be Quiet. 

Wow nice post.  Good info.  Sorry I had to tell him it was cheapo because I have never heard of them.

[Rexper]

20 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

sorry I meant to say like a cheap Chinese company

Any manufacturer can be cheap.

FSP has headquarters in Taiwan AFAIK, but offices worldwide. Like Seasonic, for example.https://www.fsp-group.com.tw/en/GlobalOffice.html

 

26 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

that no ones heard of.  

That you haven't heard of. Anyone who's interested in power supplies are fully aware of FSP, as they're a tier 1 manufacturer.

30 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

The parts wont be quality is what I mean......

That silly reasoning. Just read a review and you'd know. No need to make assumptions.

[Turtle Rig]

17 minutes ago, Rexper said:

Any manufacturer can be cheap.

FSP has headquarters in Taiwan AFAIK, but offices worldwide. Like Seasonic, for example.https://www.fsp-group.com.tw/en/GlobalOffice.html

 

That you haven't heard of. Anyone who's interested in power supplies are fully aware of FSP, as they're a tier 1 manufacturer.

That silly reasoning. Just read a review and you'd know. No need to make assumptions.

Ya as I said I had never heard of the company so I figured it was cheapo... sorry about that...

[Guest]

It's not a bomb, but it's not great. 

[Stefan Payne]

On 12/28/2018 at 11:44 PM, Diabetix said:

. Should i replace the psu? 

With a higher end GPU like the one you're getting, probably.

You could have done a lot worse as well but at least FSP didn't save on their Interpretation of teh S12II-Bronze plattform on the Protection IC like the Original. So you should have UVP on 12V and OCP on all rails, if they didn't mess it up...

 

As for the Wattage: That is irrelevant. Its not the Problem.

The Problem is that it is one of the cheapest things FSP mades and thus it has to sacrifice a couple of things for that cheapness...

 

So what you want is a good/better quality PSU, not a higher Wattage one.

[alexhelvetica]

On 12/29/2018 at 10:45 AM, Mattias Edeslatt said:

@TheDeathDragon 

 

They don't want to be sued for someone trying to get the card running on an old Dell or HP with a 350W PSU that is more then enough for intended use and original specification.

HP and Dell tend to use really good supplies these days. They learnt their lesson in the early to mid 00's, with the Bestecs that they used to use on cheaper machines, that when they failed, would put 12V across the 5V standby rail.

On 12/29/2018 at 10:45 AM, Mattias Edeslatt said:

If you build a computer that have use for a 650W PSU you probably needs more than a 2070 anyhow.

Like dual graphics cards, or shunt modding a 2080ti with an extreme edition, and custom liquid cooled loop.