Looking for the best 360mm AIO

[Dreaper]

2 hours ago, Enderman said:

Or, you can get a good quality AIO from corsair or NZXT which is known to be reliable and then not have to worry about leaks as much as with an EVGA one.

 

Yeah, so that's not a good comparison at all.

If you want more performance you swap the fans out to louder fans that move more airflow, if you want more silence you swap them out to a quieter fan.

A 280mm AIO from one brand will perform almost identical to a 280mm AIO from another when compared with equal airflow.

 

The thing that differentiates them is how large the sample size in the public is to know if there are any issues with it.

Just like how the EK "expandable" aios started coming to market and there were leaks and people's computers got screwed up because they bough a cooler that was not tried and true.

Sorry didn't know there are only two good aio companies..

[Cecil63077]

17 hours ago, Enderman said:

OP should buy an AIO that's been sold a lot and is tried and true, not some brand new product that just came to market recently.

That is actually some very poor reasoning there. If everyone used that type of reasoning, then AIO's wouldn't exist in the first place. Heck, water cooling wouldn't even exist because nobody would have ever bought the products in the first place because at one point they were all brand new products. This type of logic leads to stagnation within an ever growing market.

 

Now, I'm not saying OP should buy the EVGA AIO because it's new, but I'm also not saying that should be the limiting factor. Me personally, I would choose the one that has the better performance for the price first, and then has the better appearance second. If I can save some extra money because I won't need to buy extra fans, then that's a plus in my books.

 

[Enderman]

25 minutes ago, Cecil63077 said:

That is actually some very poor reasoning there. If everyone used that type of reasoning, then AIO's wouldn't exist in the first place. Heck, water cooling wouldn't even exist because nobody would have ever bought the products in the first place because at one point they were all brand new products. This type of logic leads to stagnation within an ever growing market.

 

Now, I'm not saying OP should buy the EVGA AIO because it's new, but I'm also not saying that should be the limiting factor. Me personally, I would choose the one that has the better performance for the price first, and then has the better appearance second. If I can save some extra money because I won't need to buy extra fans, then that's a plus in my books.

So are you saying that we should recommend people use random new products that we have no idea the reliability of?

I don't think you understand how this works.

 

There's always going to be plenty of people that buy what they want, an extremely small percentage actually come to this forum and ask for advice.

Me telling a handful of people that they should not take risks and buy a good product is not going to "stagnate the market".

[Cecil63077]

1 hour ago, Enderman said:

So are you saying that we should recommend people use random new products that we have no idea the reliability of?

I don't think you understand how this works.

 

There's always going to be plenty of people that buy what they want, an extremely small percentage actually come to this forum and ask for advice.

Me telling a handful of people that they should not take risks and buy a good product is not going to "stagnate the market".

I am in no way suggesting that anyone should recommend random new products, but I am saying people shouldn't outright tell others not to buy a new product line simply because it's new. It's one thing to say "don't buy this product because it's new and untested." rather than telling people "you shouldn't buy x product because it's poorer quality, less performance than the price when compared to other products in that price range, and this is probably due to it being a new product."

 

The way you were saying it, to me, sounded as if you were telling OP not to buy the EVGA AIO because, since it's a new product from them it's going to leak, which isn't true. Now, it may happen, but it's not a given. It's a possibility with any AIO you purchase, not just the new brands.

[Enderman]

12 minutes ago, Cecil63077 said:

Now, it may happen, but it's not a given. It's a possibility with any AIO you purchase, not just the new brands.

Wow, how hard is it for you to understand that there is a higher probability of a leak from a product that hasn't been on the market for a long period of time?

Do you know what a sample size is?

Do you know statistics?

 

12 minutes ago, Cecil63077 said:

It's one thing to say "don't buy this product because it's new and untested."

Great, it's almost like you're starting to read what I have been writing the entire time

[nick name]

I have a Termaltake Water 3.0 Riing that I kept after parting out an older system it was originally on. I haven't seen it anywhere on Gamers Nexus but I decided to use it on my Ryzen 2700X and have been pleased with the results. I run the fans at the higher speeds and it isn't noisy at all on an test bench type case. And actually the one Noctua 140mm fan I have pointing at the vrm is louder than the three fans combined on the AIO. 

 

And it's on sale at a lot of places now that Thermaltake has their new AIO that is prettier.  Also the predecessor to the Thermaltake Water 3.0 Riing is the Ultimate and it is down to around $117. 

 

Edit:

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/cpu-cooler/#W=10360&m=56

[Cecil63077]

On 6/22/2018 at 7:09 PM, Enderman said:

Wow, how hard is it for you to understand that there is a higher probability of a leak from a product that hasn't been on the market for a long period of time?

Do you know what a sample size is?

Do you know statistics?

And how difficult is it for you to understand that thinking like this does, in fact, lead to market stagnation, or worse, price gouging. Saying someone should choose only from a select few vendors because everything else hasn't been around as long is one of the worst kinds of feedback you can give someone. Having a limited number of companies making a type of product can potentially cause those companies to stop making those products better because there's no competition and the consumers will still buy the product.  

 

By the feedback that you give people based off of your logic, then neither Corsair or NZXT would ever have continued making their AIO's, because at one point their AIO's were also brand new, not tested enough, and evidently didn't belong in anybodies system based off of those factors, and those factors alone. As for the price gouging part, I only have to point at the current RAM situation for that and hope you could understand my point on that.

[Christophe Corazza]

On 23-6-2018 at 4:09 AM, Enderman said:

Wow, how hard is it for you to understand that there is a higher probability of a leak from a product that hasn't been on the market for a long period of time?

Do you know what a sample size is?

Do you know statistics?

 

To be honest:

Due to the limited sample size, a statistically significant representation of the full population is insufficient. Therefore, there is a higher uncertainty on the failure rate of these "unknown" AIOs. This however does not necessarily mean that there is a higher probability of a leak.