Core overclock or fast ram for Ryzen? /Problems with msi tomahawk b350 overclocks.

[fastcar123]

This has been question on my mind for a while.

I am currently running a msi b350 tomahawk board, a Ryzen 7 1700 oc to 3.9GHz, and 16gb of Corsair vengeance lpx 3200mhz RAM (currently at 2800 @ 1.4V).

 

This board is very inconsistent with it's posts. Sometimes it posts on the first try without skipping a beat. Other times it may not post at all. And still other times it might drop one or both of the overclocks. (By this I mean that in the bios it reads the right speeds but it widows it does not in several applications)

 

On my ram I've loosened the timings to almost ridiculous levels of 18 18 18 18 40. Even still I can not for the life of me get it faster than 2800. 2933 is a definite post fail every time (except for that one time but it crashed still). That was also the second ram kit I've put in.

 

Now here is the part I've found really weird. It seems to be ok with 2800 if the CPU is at stock speeds. Vice versa applies to the CPU. If I only overclock the CPU I'm fine.

I've even tried doing 2800 ram at 1.45v 20 20 20 20 42 with the CPU at 3.5GHZ. this was ok for a while until one day it wouldn't post anymore.

I've set all my primary, secondary, and tertiary timings to even numbers (because I've heard Ryzen likes even numbers).

 

Even if everything boots just fine, I can never restart, sleep or hybernate because the board just hangs in a prepost state forever.

 

Typically if I can get a successful post , everything is Rock solid from there. This is really only an issue for posting.

 

I've learned not to buy an MSI board ever again.

 

So here's my question. If I could only have one (oc ram or oc CPU) which one is the best well rounded solution? I do alot of multitasking as well as gaming on this computer.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

P.s. I am aware that this board and CPU are not the best match. I keep a close eye on my VRM temps and it seems to be ok but not great. I've placed a fan on the vrm heatsink and that really helps with temps. I have plans to to make that more permanent, but right now it isn't there.

[dragoon20005]

9 minutes ago, fastcar123 said:

This has been question on my mind for a while.

I am currently running a msi b350 tomahawk board, a Ryzen 7 1700 oc to 3.9GHz, and 16gb of Corsair vengeance lpx 3200mhz RAM (currently at 2800 @ 1.4V).

 

This board is very inconsistent with it's posts. Sometimes it posts on the first try without skipping a beat. Other times it may not post at all. And still other times it might drop one or both of the overclocks. (By this I mean that in the bios it reads the right speeds but it widows it does not in several applications)

 

On my ram I've loosened the timings to almost ridiculous levels of 18 18 18 18 40. Even still I can not for the life of me get it faster than 2800. 2933 is a definite post fail every time (except for that one time but it crashed still). That was also the second ram kit I've put in.

 

Now here is the part I've found really weird. It seems to be ok with 2800 if the CPU is at stock speeds. Vice versa applies to the CPU. If I only overclock the CPU I'm fine.

I've even tried doing 2800 ram at 1.45v 20 20 20 20 42 with the CPU at 3.5GHZ. this was ok for a while until one day it wouldn't post anymore.

I've set all my primary, secondary, and tertiary timings to even numbers (because I've heard Ryzen likes even numbers).

 

Even if everything boots just fine, I can never restart, sleep or hybernate because the board just hangs in a prepost state forever.

 

I've learned not to buy an MSI board ever again.

 

So here's my question. If I could only have one (oc ram or oc CPU) which one is the best well rounded solution? I do alot of multitasking as well as gaming on this computer.

 

Thanks in advance.

The Tomahawk is a sub par board for R7

 

there is not enough VRMs for the CPU and RAM

 

hence i can see why you cant OC the RAM and CPU

[fastcar123]

1 minute ago, dragoon20005 said:

The Tomahawk is a sub par board for R7

 

there is not enough VRMs for the CPU and RAM

 

hence i can see why you can OC the RAM and CPU

I understand that. Unfortunately when I purchased this board months ago I was not aware of this issue. Now I don't really have the money to purchase the Asus prime x370 that I would rather have anyway. So I have to make do with what I've got.

[dragoon20005]

5 minutes ago, fastcar123 said:

I understand that. Unfortunately when I purchased this board months ago I was not aware of this issue. Now I don't really have the money to purchase the Asus prime x370 that I would rather have anyway. So I have to make do with what I've got.

i will suggest balance the OC on both CPU and RAM

 

go 2666 on RAM and 3.5GHz and see if its stable

 

then go 2800MHz and 3.7GHz

 

so far i seen many are able to hit this speed

 

3.9GHz is taxing on the 1700, 3.7GHz on stock voltage is doable

 

the 1700X will get more stable clock at 3.9GHz

 

1800X are the 4.1GHz kings

[Droidbot]

have you tried updating the uefi? i'd say it's a good idea to actually put a little fan (~80mm) on the vrm and see if that makes any change. 

[fastcar123]

On 12/14/2017 at 11:11 PM, dragoon20005 said:

i will suggest balance the OC on both CPU and RAM

 

go 2666 on RAM and 3.5GHz and see if its stable

 

then go 2800MHz and 3.7GHz

 

so far i seen many are able to hit this speed

 

3.9GHz is taxing on the 1700, 3.7GHz on stock voltage is doable

 

the 1700X will get more stable clock at 3.9GHz

 

1800X are the 4.1GHz kings

It will post on 2667 ram with 3.9ghz CPU. Would that be the best balance?

 

I'll give the 2800 and 3.7 a shot later tonight.

On 12/14/2017 at 11:14 PM, Droidbot said:

have you tried updating the uefi? i'd say it's a good idea to actually put a little fan (~80mm) on the vrm and see if that makes any change. 

Yes I am running the latest uefi from MSI.

I crruently have a large CPU cooler that blows down towards the motherboard and have plans to place a blower style fan on the vrm heat sink. I have done this once by just holding it there and it helped

 

On 12/14/2017 at 11:11 PM, dragoon20005 said:

i will suggest balance the OC on both CPU and RAM

 

go 2666 on RAM and 3.5GHz and see if its stable

 

then go 2800MHz and 3.7GHz

 

These both posted. It's hard to see from just one or two posts. I will update as needed.

[xg32]

44 minutes ago, fastcar123 said:

These both posted. It's hard to see from just one or two posts. I will update as needed.

i would just stay at 3.7 on a tomahawk, or at least get some active cooling for the vrm

[fastcar123]

11 hours ago, xg32 said:

i would just stay at 3.7 on a tomahawk, or at least get some active cooling for the vrm

I intend on doing something for the VRM as i know this board isn't the best for the 1700

 

Should I focus on the top side or the left side vrm heat sinks? I only have one remaining fan header

 

I have installed a blower style fan in the corner of my case that does a decent job of getting all the heatsinks. It's so loud, I'd think I'm sitting next to a vacuum cleaner. But it works. I have set it to only go high as half power and to only come on if my CPU reaches 45C. I will want to replace this soon though.

 

11 hours ago, xg32 said:

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On 12/14/2017 at 11:14 PM, Droidbot said:

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On 12/14/2017 at 11:11 PM, dragoon20005 said:

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Update. The 3.7 And 2800 combo are just as unstable as before. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't

[El Dolor]

Weird... I have a similar problem with 1600x.

Was running it fine at 4.0 GHz and 2800 MHz... then just this morning it decides to not boot at all.. not even to BIOS.

I can't overclock at any speed anymore at all... it stays fine at stock speed (3.6 GHz) and a 2933 MHz RAM...

WEIRD!!!

[fastcar123]

3 hours ago, El Dolor said:

Weird... I have a similar problem with 1600x.

Was running it fine at 4.0 GHz and 2800 MHz... then just this morning it decides to not boot at all.. not even to BIOS.

I can't overclock at any speed anymore at all... it stays fine at stock speed (3.6 GHz) and a 2933 MHz RAM...

WEIRD!!!

It is really weird. I want to know if fast ram or CPU oc is better. It's really hard to say

[El Dolor]

25 minutes ago, fastcar123 said:

It is really weird. I want to know if fast ram or CPU oc is better. It's really hard to say

If for productivity go for higher cpu clock definitely... if you are the gaming type I'd say decent cpu clock but put focus on RAM. 4.0 GHz and 2.8k MHz RAM was working perfectly for me concerning gaming and I even managed to get a 1340 cb score. 

[fastcar123]

3 minutes ago, El Dolor said:

If for productivity go for higher cpu clock definitely... if you are the gaming type I'd say decent cpu clock but put focus on RAM. 4.0 GHz and 2.8k MHz RAM was working perfectly for me concerning gaming and I even managed to get a 1340 cb score. 

i game more frequently. I can manage to get 3.95 on the CPU and 2800 ram but not simultaniously

[El Dolor]

6 minutes ago, fastcar123 said:

i game more frequently. I can manage to get 3.95 on the CPU and 2800 ram but not simultaniously

Do 3.80 ~ 3.90 GHz and see if you can squeeze out that 2800 somehow.
If not just bump up to 3.9 GHz and have that RAM set at 2600 as it's really not that much of a difference in performance between 2600 and 2800.

As long as you don't keep it at 2100 it's fine bro. 

(I also had 3.8 GHz and 2933 MHz set for gaming for a while, results : fantastic!)

[fastcar123]

9 minutes ago, El Dolor said:

Do 3.80 ~ 3.90 GHz and see if you can squeeze out that 2800 somehow.
If not just bump up to 3.9 GHz and have that RAM set at 2600 as it's really not that much of a difference in performance between 2600 and 2800.

As long as you don't keep it at 2100 it's fine bro. 

(I also had 3.8 GHz and 2933 MHz set for gaming for a while, results : fantastic!)

I definitely can pull off 2667 with 3.9. 

At this point i just want to find the best balance. 

[El Dolor]

1 minute ago, fastcar123 said:

I definitely can pull off 2667 with 3.9. 

At this point i just want to find the best balance. 

That sounds fine.
So either 3.9 with 2667
or 3.8 with 2800. Both should work fine I guess. I'd recommend you the second option as of just recent information, we might be actually damaging our mobos with such voltages, as it's atm in my case. Can't overclock anymore atm.. and last night I was fine running 4 GHz with 2800... 

[fastcar123]

6 minutes ago, El Dolor said:

That sounds fine.
So either 3.9 with 2667
or 3.8 with 2800. Both should work fine I guess. I'd recommend you the second option as of just recent information, we might be actually damaging our mobos with such voltages, as it's atm in my case. Can't overclock anymore atm.. and last night I was fine running 4 GHz with 2800... 

3.8 and 2800 is unstable too. The cpu seems to overclock fine, but when i throw ram in too it gets finicky.

I have tried

3.9 + 2800

3.8 + 2800

3.7 + 2800

None of these are stable enough to boot first try every time. 

If i do just ram or cpu but not both then its fine. 

 

I have heard about the voltage being an issue for these boards, but as I've said before i have to work with what Ive got.

[El Dolor]

3 minutes ago, fastcar123 said:

3.8 and 2800 is unstable too. The cpu seems to overclock fine, but when i throw ram in too it gets finicky.

I have tried

3.9 + 2800

3.8 + 2800

3.7 + 2800

None of these are stable enough to boot first try every time. 

If i do just ram or cpu but not both then its fine. 

 

I have heard about the voltage being an issue for these boards, but as I've said before i have to work with what Ive got.

Do 2600 RAM and whichever works.

 

My current one is 3.6 GHz and 3000 MHz (2933). Works fine. 

[fastcar123]

3 minutes ago, El Dolor said:

Do 2600 RAM and whichever works.

 

My current one is 3.6 GHz and 3000 MHz (2933). Works fine. 

Is that the best balance?

[El Dolor]

17 minutes ago, fastcar123 said:

Is that the best balance?

Actually.. if you look at the bigger picture here, it probably is.

why? voltage is fine. temps are fine and most importantly the performance is fantastic. 

[fastcar123]

3 minutes ago, El Dolor said:

Actually.. if you look at the bigger picture here, it probably is.

why? voltage is fine. temps are fine and most importantly the performance is fantastic. 

Ok so I will run 2667 and 3.8