Pics Added| CS:GO Stutter/choppy despite high FPS + Possible GTX 970 problem?

[Admiral Naismith]

Hello,

 

So this is a problem I've had for a while now. No matter what I do, the game is choppy. Everything is rough, stutters during flicks, etc.. Movement not smooth... You get the point.

 

I've done everything that google will provide for me. I've updated realtek drivers (even though I'm using a USB headset that doesn't seem to use realtek), I've set kboost on for my GPU, I've deleted and updated GPU drivers/GFExperience, etc.. I've done a factory reset on CS:GO (deleting the config files and folder). Nothing has fixed the problem.

 

Setup:

i7 4790k (No OC and a H60 watercooler)

GTX 970 - EVGA SC (No OC... couldn't even get a 10mhz+ out of it without stability issues :/. Nothing special done here. Whines like a mofo though. I use EVGA's precision X to mess with fan-curves and enable kboost. Should be up to date).

Asrock z97 Extreme4

Two sticks of 1866 cas 9 4gb ram (so a total of 8gb)

Gigabyte something-or-other card for wifi

1TB HDD (Steam and CS:GO is on here. Linux mint is on another partition)

128gb SSD (OS and browser on here)

144hz acer monitor - GN246HL (Yes, I'm using the correct cable).

HyperX Cloud II headset

G710 Keyboard and G402 mouse from logitect (using logitech's software if that's at all relevant).

Can't remember the PSU off the top of my head, but it's a higher-quality EVGA (750w G2 I think?) that had enough power for two 970s if I wanted to upgrade that way.

 

Temperatures are fine. Nothing goes over 70.

De-fragged HDD. No viruses or anything like that.

 

This is not an lag issue, it happens on 'self created'/local servers just as much. It's not a tick-rate issue either (128vs64). It's visual stutter, not rubber-banding. It's not major, but its extremely annoying and not pleasent to look at for any length of time (makes my eyes wig out).

 

FPS on Dust_2 on a local DM server with ~9 bots: ~300 FPS. Fluctuates a lot between anywhere from 230 to 380 depending on what's happening and where in the map. Low setting vs high settings don't really change FPS much actually.

Right now game is default 16:9 1080p due to factory reset. Before I was playing 4:3 stretched 1080p (so 1440x1080).

 

Given that this machine should rip CS:GO a new one, I feel like the FPS is 'sufficient' but fairly low.

 

Everything is set for the 144hz monitor... So I don't really think there's any f*ckery regarding that. Again, it's not that it's not running at 144hz, it's that it's not at all smooth. When cornering for example, the corner 'stutters' across the screen. Watching 60FPS gameplay videos look far smoother than my game... which is some bullshiet. And no, I'm not talking about the ones with nice visual effects like motion-blur added. Just raw 60fps replays look smoother around corners.

 

Capping FPS or uncapping FPS didn't change anything.

Possibly odd thing I noticed, if I cap anywhere from 144-154, FPS just stays at 139-142. If I cap at 144fps, fps hangs around 142. Not sure if this is an issue of just some bug with net_graph. Why would a 970 not be able to keep a game like CS:GO at a stable 144fps?

 

Possible related issues (no reason to believe there's a connection, but I'm not good at this sort of thing besides some common sense and google. Whatever may help.)-

Microsoft office lags like a mofo. If I switch windows, sometimes it doesn't fully 'comeback' when I switch back. Lag increases dramatically, menu features don't display correctly (though I can usually use them 'like they're there'), top of window is greyed out like it's not the active window, etc. I haven't really bothered finding a solution for this yet and no idea if it's related at all.

Minecraft of all things had a low fps. I've seen potatoes run it at 900+ fps. I was only getting ~200-300 (vanilla). Optifine helped, but it was till <450. 

 

Absolutely anything is appreciated here. It's been wreckin' my head for a while now. I don't like getting headaches during warmup when I'm used to getting them playing with russians (/s)

 

-edit-

Here are some pics I got. Taken via Iphone's slomotion then screencapped.

 

From what I can tell, it's like multiple frames are 'blended' into one. No settings (max_fps, v-sync, etc.) changed this (though lower FPS resulted in it being 'worse'). This + my own after-image issues = my headaches recently

max_fps set to 72 w/ vsync I believe

 

Not sure what settings for this one, but I think the same?

Not sure here either.

 

To be honest I feel better now that I know I'm not crazy/bullsh*tting myself. I got proof!

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[Guest]

Windows issue?

[Statik]

Leave my profile gif alone.

 

[Mr.Meerkat]

With my 290X/RX470, I found out that if I had VSR (or DSR in your case) on, it would cause CSGO to stutter/look choppy even when I had 400fps  

Maybe try disabling DSR if it's on? 

[dj-lucas]

are you using only one monitor? 

 

I have two, and I found out last week that when I play games on my secondary monitor it seem to lag even tho it is running with 60FPS but then I play with my primary monitor it works fine (they are booth the same monitors) 

When I say secondary & primary monitor I'm talking about the settings in windows.

(I'm using Windows 10 Pro)

[Admiral Naismith]

17 minutes ago, deXxterlab97 said:

Windows issue?

Possibly? Using Win. 8.1 home

13 minutes ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

With my 290X/RX470, I found out that if I had VSR (or DSR in your case) on, it would cause CSGO to stutter/look choppy even when I had 400fps  

Maybe try disabling DSR if it's on? 

Disabled. May have helped. Still very jittery though.

9 minutes ago, dj-lucas said:

are you using only one monitor? 

Yes.

[Guest]

Just now, Admiral Naismith said:

Possibly? Using Win. 8.1 home

Disabled. May have helped. Still very jittery though.

Yes.

try reinstall windows

[Mr.Meerkat]

Does it happen if your monitor is running at 60Hz?

[Admiral Naismith]

14 minutes ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

Does it happen if your monitor is running at 60Hz?

Yes. 60, 72, 120, and 144. V-sync and not. It's not tearing.

 

Ok, so I figured out what the specific problem causing the jittery 'look' is. Things are vibrating/jittery and have a halo lagging behind them when I move. More like a trailing after-image or shimmering than a halo I suppose. Sometimes it's like a slightly-bright/dark outline, other times there's a mult-color effect going on.

You know that 'heat' effect you sometimes see when looking at a flat surface? Like looking at the top of your car in the summer? It's like that, just stuttery and it 'trails' when moving instead of being there when still.

 

Happens regardless of v-sync, FPS/hz, and settings. Everything set to low still does this. 

 

Also crouching seems to increase the choppiness of it all. Apparently this is a known bug with crouching, but I don't know of a solution.

 

Note that, except when trying v-sync, my fps never dropped below 200. Again, 200-300 FPS on CS:GO low settings with a i7+970 seems very low.

 

Combined with my own problems with after-images with my eyes, this weird stutter and after-images is probably what's f*cking me up. Any solutions?

 

I got it on camera using the slow-mo feature on my iphone, so I'm not crazy

I will try to upload it if anyone wants to see.

[Admiral Naismith]

Added pictures jsyk. In the spoiler in the op.

 

May it be a response issue with my monitor?

[Spudbilly]

5 hours ago, Admiral Naismith said:

Added pictures jsyk. In the spoiler in the op.

 

May it be a response issue with my monitor?

If you can... borrow a friend's monitor. If the problem goes away... Then it could be there monitor. 

 

 

[Mr.Meerkat]

Hmmmmm...I'm unsure then...how is your GPU boosting? If it's clock speeds are unstable then it could explain the choppiness  

[Admiral Naismith]

1 hour ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

Hmmmmm...I'm unsure then...how is your GPU boosting? If it's clock speeds are unstable then it could explain the choppiness  

I have it so it sticks to its set boost speed. Right now it's boost is stock. Should I try under-clocking it?

 

10 hours ago, Spudbilly said:

If you can... borrow a friend's monitor. If the problem goes away... Then it could be there monitor.

 

I can try. I tried doing lightboost last night to see if it would help. It didn't in game despite the little alien blur-test thing looking a bit smoother. It's really like each frame is blending with eachother in-game. Entirely could be a problem with the monitor, but it doesn't make much sense to 'fix' any slight bluring in one place, while having no change in-game.

 

Is there anything up with the net_graph and max_fps not matching, or is that just a glitch/bug? I set it to max_fps 144 and 139-143 (stays mostly around 142) when I should be getting a rock-solid 144/143 depending on how the thing rounds. Going up to 146-150 doesn't change the fps in net_graph (still stays about 142). It fluctuates stupidly fast, doesn't 'hold' at any specific fps. v-sync does the same thing (fps fluctuates heavily around 141-142).

[Mr.Meerkat]

Forgot to ask, have you tried reinstalling and going back to older drivers?

[Admiral Naismith]

29 minutes ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

Forgot to ask, have you tried reinstalling and going back to older drivers?

Reinstalling CS:GO? Yeah. I haven't rolled back drivers though. Should I just go back to the last stable release?

[Spudbilly]

30 minutes ago, Admiral Naismith said:

I have it so it sticks to its set boost speed. Right now it's boost is stock. Should I try under-clocking it?

 

I can try. I tried doing lightboost last night to see if it would help. It didn't in game despite the little alien blur-test thing looking a bit smoother. It's really like each frame is blending with eachother in-game. Entirely could be a problem with the monitor, but it doesn't make much sense to 'fix' any slight bluring in one place, while having no change in-game.

 

Is there anything up with the net_graph and max_fps not matching, or is that just a glitch/bug? I set it to max_fps 144 and 139-143 (stays mostly around 142) when I should be getting a rock-solid 144/143 depending on how the thing rounds. Going up to 146-150 doesn't change the fps in net_graph (still stays about 142). It fluctuates stupidly fast, doesn't 'hold' at any specific fps. v-sync does the same thing (fps fluctuates heavily around 141-142).

You need to methodically start eliminating weak links one by one. Start with the monitor by using a different, proven working properly buddies.... If that checks out... Continue down the link to your display cable.... If that checks out... Then check on your graphics card by new or rolled back drivers.. If that don't work. Try a buddies graphics card using both your monitor and a buddies to make sure things are consistent. If not that... Then re install windows and drivers and all that... If that don't work... Then maybe the gpu is pooched. 

[Mr.Meerkat]

26 minutes ago, Admiral Naismith said:

Reinstalling CS:GO? Yeah. I haven't rolled back drivers though. Should I just go back to the last stable release?

Yep, that's always a good idea  

[Admiral Naismith]

The one on the right is full red, camera wasn't getting the color great.

 

 

Did some testing. The above was at 144hz on desktop. Basically just made a bunch of colored bars and took slow-mo video. My Iphone's slow mo is 120fps I believe.

 

Note that the higher refresh on my monitor than the iphone's camera means it'll capture 2 'refreshes' or however you want to say it.

 

It appears there's a lasting 'positive' and then a more latent (lasting 2-4 'refreshes'/frames) negative/dark after image. This happens even when I go down to 120hz with or without light-boost (so the camera should only be capturing one refresh per frame).

 

All colors had one trailing positive, but the negativedark showed up more on some colors. Green, blue, and pink were the worst. Red, yellow, black, and white showed no visible after-image to the eye (though the camera caught it ever-so faintly on the red if you look really closely).

 

I don't know too much about the way monitors work, but why is there a negative/dark ghost? If pixel switches from white (all colors) to red (one color of the rgb), why is it going 'dark'?

 

I don't know if this really means anything. Downloading older drivers right now.

 

How likely is it the cable is bad and not the monitor? The monitor should have good response times and I'm not finding anyone having the issues I am with this monitor. I'm using the Dual Link DVI cable that came with it. It seems cheap. A cheap replacement won't cost too much, so if the cable is a likely possibility I'll go get a new one.

 

 

[Admiral Naismith]

Used older stable drivers, didn't change anything.

 

 

[Admiral Naismith]

Also tried using an HDMI cable instead of this DVI. Didn't have any effect (other than lowering refresh rate ofc).

[VgR]

Hi @Admiral Naismith did you solve this problem? Same thing here, starting to do everything that you already tried. 

 

Thanks