Upgrading from 4790k to either Ryzen 2700x or 3700x

[maizenblue]

So I'm looking to possibly upgrade my aging CPU. Just noticed in CPU intensive games things arent as smooth as I'd like. Gaming is my primary concern. I was gonna go with the 3700x for 300, but I have a chance to buy a new 2700x for $170. For that price I could get it, and when the 4700x comes out around late summer I could already have the mobo ram and cooler and could just sell my 2700x for damn near what I bought it for and upgrade. Of course I could just keep my 4790k until then but Ive waited long enough and want something different.

 

Would things run noticeably smoother in games like battlefield 1/V with a 2700x, or would it be better to just spend the extra 130 and get the 3700x?

[ImNotNeko]

I'd say go for 3700X

People treat Ryzen like some sort of god's gift but it's not that amazing.

I'm not saying it's amazing, it's reallllllly good but like 4970k to 2700X won't yield in much performance improvement in gaming.

In fact, in a very few title, you'll see a downgrade (but then, those are usually old titles and you'd be going from 250 fps to 230 fps and that's insignificant).

With Ryzen 3700X you'll definitely see some improvement but personally I'd consider them insignificant as well. I mean it will be more or less 10-20% difference depending on the game and really going from 100 frames to 110 frames is not as big as you think.

 

But you did say you "want" something new. That's a whole different story. I also buy all my hardware only because I "want to" instead of "need to".
Go for 2700X, sell it and buy 4700X for some real upgrades later (assuming that it is still AM4). 

[Otto_iii]

BFV has optimization issues currently where it hammers the CPU usage, especially with DX12 enabled at higher frames (120+), so even 8 cores can struggle, it shouldn't and in past hasn't run like that though (its a on and off again bug DICE keeps running into) so not any 4,6,or 8 core CPUs fault. Running DX11 helps.

With either you'll want to find a decent motherboard, one of the better b450 or x470 boards or a good cheap X570 (Asus Prime X570-P or Asrock X570 Pro4 stand out for sub 200$).. The cheapest board i'd recommend that you should easily be able to find is a B450m Pro4, but ideally look for something a bit better if you have the $, its good enough to OC modern 8 cores, but can only run 12 and 16 cores stock, and starts struggling there, long-term isn't the best board. 

With Ryzen 2000 its very important to find a decent value 3200 speed ram kit that is on the motherboards QVL, as Ryzen 2000 is insanely picky about ram compatability. 
With Ryzen 3000 you can just grab these 70$ 3600C16 Ripjaws, make sure if purchasing a b450/x470 mobo that its sold "Ryzen 3000 Ready" and you are good to go. 

With 2700x you might not see much a FPS average improvement, but stuttering and 1% lows etc may go up as backround processes etc won't upset pacing in games due to the higher core count, likewise it would make the best budget CPU for streaming, or productivity workloads. 

if you are only ever gaming a 120$ 3500x may interest you as a starter CPU (more in depth video) to get superior frame-rates of Zen2/Ryzen 3000 and cheaply get on AM4 platform, it will often out perform the r5 3600, handedly out perform the 2700x in games but loses out in productivity workloads and in the few games which take better advantage of hyperthreading, but you can only find it via places like aliexpress.  Its a really good deal but not recommended if you stream. 
 

[maizenblue]

Its really just the 170 dollar price that made me think why the hell not even if its just slightly better. I could sell the 4790k and mobo and ram and get back half the cost, plus the rest when i sell the 2700x. 

[Otto_iii]

Eitherway i think selling Intel parts while they still somehow hold way more value then they deserve is worth it, in a year or so i think the ball will drop on the used market for their prices, its been very over inflated for awhile and i don't know how much longer people can demand 200+$ for old CPUs when new ones at same or cheaper prices out perform them.

If you end up with 3700x i doubt you'll look back. 

[Mick Naughty]

Get the most you can afford or put on a card. 

 

Better sooner than later. Sold my 4790k a few months ago for $200. Mobo and ram sold for over 250. Plenty for a new rig. 

[Otto_iii]

Kinda OT but i have a friend who has a 4770k and he convinced he needs a 4790k, what should i tell him that he'll actually listen to that spending 150-200$ for a outdated i7 is stupid

[CPUguy101]

7 hours ago, maizenblue said:

So I'm looking to possibly upgrade my aging CPU. Just noticed in CPU intensive games things arent as smooth as I'd like. Gaming is my primary concern. I was gonna go with the 3700x for 300, but I have a chance to buy a new 2700x for $170. For that price I could get it, and when the 4700x comes out around late summer I could already have the mobo ram and cooler and could just sell my 2700x for damn near what I bought it for and upgrade. Of course I could just keep my 4790k until then but Ive waited long enough and want something different.

 

Would things run noticeably smoother in games like battlefield 1/V with a 2700x, or would it be better to just spend the extra 130 and get the 3700x?

As you are mainly gaming then easily get the 3700X or the 3800X if its just 20$ more. 

[SkilledRebuilds]

45 minutes ago, Otto_iii said:

Kinda OT but i have a friend who has a 4770k and he convinced he needs a 4790k, what should i tell him that he'll actually listen to that spending 150-200$ for a outdated i7 is stupid

4790k Stock vs OC is only a 8-15% improvement in games from a 15% OC.

BFV can do up to 120-144fps but when it drops it drops hard to the 80-90 range for a second or two and back up n down in heavy city scenes.. usually in the 110-120 range but can be worse.

But the drops are big swings, losing 30-40fps under a Higher CPU load.

 

Many games run well, but more n more are also running higher CPU usages and dropped frames from a FAST GPU.

Sure... FAST CORES...but NOT Enough of them.

 

Not worth it for the cost they are...

Just bite the bullet and do a platform upgrade.

Sell the 4770 platform to a budding teenager.

[Mick Naughty]

7 hours ago, Otto_iii said:

Kinda OT but i have a friend who has a 4770k and he convinced he needs a 4790k, what should i tell him that he'll actually listen to that spending 150-200$ for a outdated i7 is stupid

I have both, both haven’t been able to keep up in years. Waste of time and money. But I would tell them to do it. Then when they finally realize, it will be a lesson learned.