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Am I crazy for wanting to sacrifice performance for watercooling?

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Hi, Im planning a new build. This is a build that I want to be able to move between places (plane transportable), so I wanted to go with a mITX form factor. I've always really liked the look of the Phanteks Evolv Shift, so I'm kinda attached to the case. My budget is right around 2500-2600. Would I be crazy to downgrade from a 2080S to a 2070S in order to custom watercool the case? I'm also looking at future upgradeability. Here are the two builds. (I could also go with a 2700X in the aircooled build and get an EVGA Hybrid 2080S). All suggestions and comments are welcome!

 

Watercooled:

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor $189.59 @ Amazon
Motherboard Asus ROG STRIX X470-I GAMING Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard $195.00 @ Amazon
Memory G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $135.99 @ Newegg
Video Card EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB BLACK GAMING Video Card $479.99 @ Newegg
Case Phanteks Evolv Shift Air Mini ITX Tower Case $105.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair SF 600 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply $119.05 @ Amazon
Monitor Dell AW3418DW 34.1" 3440x1440 120 Hz Monitor $649.99 @ Amazon
Custom EK Water Blocks EK-Velocity AMD CPU Water Block - Nickel + Acetal $68.23 @ Amazon
Custom EX950 2TB $209.99
Custom ML140 140mm PWM Premium Magnetic Levitation Fan — Twin Pack $34.99
Custom WB 1 $35.49
Custom WB 2 $35.49
Custom WB GPU $123.99
Custom Pump $159.99
Custom Tubing $17.99
Custom Fittings (*10) $69.90
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total (before mail-in rebates) $2651.65
  Mail-in rebates -$20.00
  Total $2631.65
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-18 17:16 EST-0500  

 

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I bought a corsair h115i platinum for a ryzen 3600 when i could have upgraded to 3700x for that price, just for the rgb.

 

So no, im the one thats crazy.

 

I paid more for my case than my gpu x2 just for rgb...


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I dont ask stupid questions, I just word them stupid so you think its stupid.

im not stupid your stupid calling me stupid stupid

Why are you still reading this this is prob all wildly outdated as i just found out how to change signature and ill prob never be bothered again hahahahhahahahaa.

 

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I'm a gamer les go play fortnite. In cringe 9 year old voice.

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Gaming is dumb enthusiast is cool.

 

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Posted · Original PosterOP
3 minutes ago, NinJake said:

If looks matter more than the performance then by all means... it's your money!

 

1 minute ago, The Torrent said:

I bought a corsair h115i platinum for a ryzen 3600 when i could have upgraded to 3700x for that price, just for the rgb.

 

So no, im the one thats crazy.

 

I paid more for my case than my gpu x2 just for rgb...

Part of it's because I'm worried about is thermals in the case, I've heard they're not the greatest. And kinda also want the tempered glass side panels, so even worse airflow. Also, for upgradeability, in the next few years I will already have the cooling infrastructure, just new blocks. So I'll just need to buy mobo cpu gpu and some blocks.

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Just now, iPC said:

 

Part of it's because I'm worried about is thermals in the case, I've heard they're not the greatest. And kinda also want the tempered glass side panels, so even worse airflow. Also, for upgradeability, in the next few years I will already have the cooling infrastructure, just new blocks. So I'll just need to buy mobo cpu gpu and some blocks.

It depends what your using it for.

 

If your gonna work from it make money do video editing or something obviously go performance as thats gonna increase your productivity. 

 

If its just for you to look at and make you happy and you got money to burn as i did by all means watercool it and post it all over reddit.


Remember to give me those smiley face things or tick or the i if i do a good post.

Team Blue, so understand I will be unreasonable to Intel V AMD Arguments even if i ever buy a AMD rig, i will still be anti AMD. Me saying AMD is OK is a big thing to me so be happy and go away.

Alienware 17r5

500D SE sexy rgb build incoming.

Widescreen build incoming for music production featuring zen 3

A few negligible workstation builds

Gaming Routers are Stupid, I have a problem about spending too much money on a Motherboard.

/pcmasterrace /widescreenmasterrace

 

Audiophile, EL8 Titanium go to drivers for weight to performance ratio.

Music Setup Cubase 10 PRO, Adam A8X, Adam Sub8.

 

I dont ask stupid questions, I just word them stupid so you think its stupid.

im not stupid your stupid calling me stupid stupid

Why are you still reading this this is prob all wildly outdated as i just found out how to change signature and ill prob never be bothered again hahahahhahahahaa.

 

The word "Gaming" and anything around it is cringe. E.G

 

I'm a gamer les go play fortnite. In cringe 9 year old voice.

I want a Gaming Computer to play fortnite. In cringe 9 year old voice.

 

Gaming is dumb enthusiast is cool.

 

Whitebread / Brownbread

Coffee/Tea

PoachedEgg/FriedEgg

IHaveTimeToKill/KillToTimeHaveI

Idk how many lines this is im not counting im prob breaking rules #rebel

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1 minute ago, KarathKasun said:

Air travel is a no no for watercooling setups.  The vibration and pressure changes can cause premature leaks.

does that include the aio m22 cooler he has used for the 'air cooled' system?


Remember to give me those smiley face things or tick or the i if i do a good post.

Team Blue, so understand I will be unreasonable to Intel V AMD Arguments even if i ever buy a AMD rig, i will still be anti AMD. Me saying AMD is OK is a big thing to me so be happy and go away.

Alienware 17r5

500D SE sexy rgb build incoming.

Widescreen build incoming for music production featuring zen 3

A few negligible workstation builds

Gaming Routers are Stupid, I have a problem about spending too much money on a Motherboard.

/pcmasterrace /widescreenmasterrace

 

Audiophile, EL8 Titanium go to drivers for weight to performance ratio.

Music Setup Cubase 10 PRO, Adam A8X, Adam Sub8.

 

I dont ask stupid questions, I just word them stupid so you think its stupid.

im not stupid your stupid calling me stupid stupid

Why are you still reading this this is prob all wildly outdated as i just found out how to change signature and ill prob never be bothered again hahahahhahahahaa.

 

The word "Gaming" and anything around it is cringe. E.G

 

I'm a gamer les go play fortnite. In cringe 9 year old voice.

I want a Gaming Computer to play fortnite. In cringe 9 year old voice.

 

Gaming is dumb enthusiast is cool.

 

Whitebread / Brownbread

Coffee/Tea

PoachedEgg/FriedEgg

IHaveTimeToKill/KillToTimeHaveI

Idk how many lines this is im not counting im prob breaking rules #rebel

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Posted · Original PosterOP
2 minutes ago, The Torrent said:

does that include the aio m22 cooler he has used for the 'air cooled' system?

yeah, my bad, kinda misspoke. It's AIO vs custom. 

 

3 minutes ago, The Torrent said:

It depends what your using it for.

 

If your gonna work from it make money do video editing or something obviously go performance as thats gonna increase your productivity. 

 

If its just for you to look at and make you happy and you got money to burn as i did by all means watercool it and post it all over reddit.

I'm probably going to use it for a lot of machine learning and gaming in college, so half half productivity and gaming.

 

6 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

Air travel is a no no for watercooling setups.  The vibration and pressure changes can cause premature leaks.

Ok. Will AIOs have this problem? And what about cushioning it? I'd have it in a carry on probably.

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6 minutes ago, iPC said:

yeah, my bad, kinda misspoke. It's AIO vs custom. 

 

I'm probably going to use it for a lot of machine learning and gaming in college, so half half productivity and gaming.

 

Ok. Will AIOs have this problem? And what about cushioning it? I'd have it in a carry on probably.

Cushioning the system will not improve the situation.  Any rotating joints (where hoses meet the AIO block for example) will see much earlier failure.  You are better off with a relatively low profile cooler, like one that uses a 120mm fan blowing toward the MB rather than across it like on a tower cooler.

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This is unrelated, but how is that AW3418DW so cheap? It doesn’t appear to be on sale, but up in Canada I’m about to pay $1,100 for the same monitor? Yet the conversion from your price to CAD is like $850


Gaming Build:

CPU: Ryzen 7 3800x (3.9GHz)  |  GPU: Asus ROG STRIX 2080 SUPER Advanced  |  Motherboard: Asus X570 TUF GAMING-PLUS  |  RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws DDR4 3600MHz 16GB  |  PSU: Corsair RM850x  |  Storage: 1TB ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro, 250GB Samsung 840 Evo, 500GB Samsung 840 Evo  |  Cooler: CM ML240R  |  Case: Lian Li PC-O11

 

Peripherals:

Monitor: LG 34GK950F  |  Sound: Sennheiser HD 598  |  Mic: Blue Yeti  |  Keyboard: Corsair K95 RGB Platinum  |  Mouse: Logitech G502

 

 

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24 minutes ago, Statik said:

This is unrelated, but how is that AW3418DW so cheap? It doesn’t appear to be on sale, but up in Canada I’m about to pay $1,100 for the same monitor? Yet the conversion from your price to CAD is like $850

Its MSRP is lik 1300 but newegg had it for 650 off. It was insane, so I snatched it up as soon as I could so I didn't miss the deal. Also apparently amazon has it for that now. Shit, couldve avoided tax

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1 hour ago, KarathKasun said:

Cushioning the system will not improve the situation.  Any rotating joints (where hoses meet the AIO block for example) will see much earlier failure.  You are better off with a relatively low profile cooler, like one that uses a 120mm fan blowing toward the MB rather than across it like on a tower cooler.

Is there no way to transport it through air travel? Draining the loop, disconnecting hoses, etc? 

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2 minutes ago, iPC said:

Its MSRP is lik 1300 but newegg had it for 650 off. It was insane, so I snatched it up as soon as I could so I didn't miss the deal. Also apparently amazon has it for that now. Shit, couldve avoided tax

Damn that’s nice. Wish that happened here. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think you pay tax on amazon now?


Gaming Build:

CPU: Ryzen 7 3800x (3.9GHz)  |  GPU: Asus ROG STRIX 2080 SUPER Advanced  |  Motherboard: Asus X570 TUF GAMING-PLUS  |  RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws DDR4 3600MHz 16GB  |  PSU: Corsair RM850x  |  Storage: 1TB ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro, 250GB Samsung 840 Evo, 500GB Samsung 840 Evo  |  Cooler: CM ML240R  |  Case: Lian Li PC-O11

 

Peripherals:

Monitor: LG 34GK950F  |  Sound: Sennheiser HD 598  |  Mic: Blue Yeti  |  Keyboard: Corsair K95 RGB Platinum  |  Mouse: Logitech G502

 

 

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Posted · Original PosterOP
Just now, Statik said:

Damn that’s nice. Wish that happened here. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think you pay tax on amazon now?

I honestly don't know. I thought you didn't, but could be wrong.

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1 minute ago, iPC said:

I honestly don't know. I thought you didn't, but could be wrong.

I could be wrong too. How long ago did you buy it if it was MSRP at $1300 USD? It kinda concerns me because Newegg has it on for $1400 CAD, and amazon has it for $1,099 reg $1200, and I really don’t want it to jump up to $1400 on amazon


Gaming Build:

CPU: Ryzen 7 3800x (3.9GHz)  |  GPU: Asus ROG STRIX 2080 SUPER Advanced  |  Motherboard: Asus X570 TUF GAMING-PLUS  |  RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws DDR4 3600MHz 16GB  |  PSU: Corsair RM850x  |  Storage: 1TB ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro, 250GB Samsung 840 Evo, 500GB Samsung 840 Evo  |  Cooler: CM ML240R  |  Case: Lian Li PC-O11

 

Peripherals:

Monitor: LG 34GK950F  |  Sound: Sennheiser HD 598  |  Mic: Blue Yeti  |  Keyboard: Corsair K95 RGB Platinum  |  Mouse: Logitech G502

 

 

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Posted · Original PosterOP
1 minute ago, Statik said:

I could be wrong too. How long ago did you buy it if it was MSRP at $1300 USD? It kinda concerns me because Newegg has it on for $1400 CAD, and amazon has it for $1,099 reg $1200, and I really don’t want it to jump up to $1400 on amazon

2 days ago. Also nvm, dell's website has the price at 999USD now.

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1 minute ago, iPC said:

2 days ago. Also nvm, dell's website has the price at 999USD now.

I’ve noticed newegg does that, they’ll put the price of something significantly higher to make the sale look better (I.e in Canada they have the MSI 2080S listed as $2000, but have it for like 50% off, making the sale look godlike, when in reality you’re saving like maybe $20-50.

 

pretty greasy


Gaming Build:

CPU: Ryzen 7 3800x (3.9GHz)  |  GPU: Asus ROG STRIX 2080 SUPER Advanced  |  Motherboard: Asus X570 TUF GAMING-PLUS  |  RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws DDR4 3600MHz 16GB  |  PSU: Corsair RM850x  |  Storage: 1TB ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro, 250GB Samsung 840 Evo, 500GB Samsung 840 Evo  |  Cooler: CM ML240R  |  Case: Lian Li PC-O11

 

Peripherals:

Monitor: LG 34GK950F  |  Sound: Sennheiser HD 598  |  Mic: Blue Yeti  |  Keyboard: Corsair K95 RGB Platinum  |  Mouse: Logitech G502

 

 

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Posted · Original PosterOP
35 minutes ago, Statik said:

I’ve noticed newegg does that, they’ll put the price of something significantly higher to make the sale look better (I.e in Canada they have the MSI 2080S listed as $2000, but have it for like 50% off, making the sale look godlike, when in reality you’re saving like maybe $20-50.

 

pretty greasy

Yeah, most people do though. It kinda sucks, but it was still a good deal, so

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