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Ryzen 5 3600x vs Ryzen 7 3700x?

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Hiya folks. 

So I am a first time builder and I have a fully AMD build planned for now... 

GPU will be RX 5700xt 

Asus Tuf plus or Strix-E X570 motherboard

Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 3600MHz Ram

The 360mm AIO from corsair

 

And all the works... 

 

What I am confused about.... Is whether to go for Ryzen 5 3600x (I am stuck on the x cause I am not OCing) or Ryzen 7 3700x...? 

What benefit would I gain upgrading to the 3700x?

 

 

The main aim is gaming and study related work... Which can sometimes include 3D models of cadavers etc since I am a medical student. 

 

I have a motherboard query as well but let's start with the CPU I guess? :) 

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For gaming, both have the same performance, but for studying and 3d applications those 2 extra cores and 4 extra threads really help (im a engineer student and i have a 3700x due to 3d moddeling applications), since you are going all out (360mm WC, ROG X570, 5700xt) i would go for the 3700x, maybe in future games (next year or 2) will also benefit a lot from those extra cores, specially with the new console gen coming


Main rig: CPU: Ryzen 7 3700X cooled by a Noctua NH-U14S; Mem: 16 GB(2x8) G.Skill TridentZ White 3200 MHz; GPU: EVGA RTX 2070 XC; MOBO: MSI B450 Tomahawk; SSD: Kingston A400 480GB HDD: 1TB Western Digital Blue; PSU: Corsair CX750M Semi-modular (80+ bronze); CASE: Thermaltake Commander C36.

 

Secondary rig: CPU: Intel Core i7 4790 @3.60GHz(Turbo @4.00GHz) cooled by Corsair H60; Mem: G.Skill RipJawsX DDR3 16GB(4x4) OC@2133MHz (11-11-11-30 (1.6V)); GPU: None(for now); MOBO: Gigabyte Z87-HD3; SSD:HyperX 120GB; PSU: Thermaltake SmarT series 750w (80+ bronze); CASE: Thermaltake Chaser A41.

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3700X then

 

5 minutes ago, Asad Javeed said:

(I am stuck on the x cause I am not OCing)

that's pretty much a 200MHz gain in core clock compared to the non-X (same for 3700x vs 3800x btw), so not that much


"What's under the heatsink?" ep1, "Why it's not as good as it seem?" AMD fanboy edition out, episode 2 "Why my gaming board is a scam?" Intel fanboy edition coming soon (this is a link)

Hardware specs below

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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You dont need the X and you dont need the extra cores of the 3700. You are not in engineering. Your 3D models in medical school are not going to need a 3700. You also do not need the AIO for stock speeds.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Mateus Montemor said:

For gaming, both have the same performance, but for studying and 3d applications those 2 extra cores and 4 extra threads really help (im a engineer student and i have a 3700x due to 3d moddeling applications), since you are going all out (360mm WC, ROG X570, 5700xt) i would go for the 3700x, maybe in future games (next year or 2) will also benefit a lot from those extra cores, specially with the new console gen coming

 

Ok, since you already are using the 3700x!

Our 3D models usually are full body renders with all the parts on the model and then slowly dissecting each one away.... 

 

Apart from that, I obviously use a single program at a time, most multitasking I currently plan on doing is maybe downloading a few games at the same time or running a word or PowerPoint at the same time as Chrome with YouTube and a couple tabs open, sometimes even 10 tabs of research articles, and maybe listening to music as I work. 

I also tend to dabble in InkScape sometimes for personal projects? 

 

 

If I decide to go with 3600x, would I see a problem? 

 

And what about the 3700x with the TUF X570 board? 

I am largely worried about headers on the boards than anything else frankly, I have 6 ML120s and one ML140 RGB fans to be connected, with the 140 as PWM probably connected to the GPU and the 6 120s to the Corsair Commander Pro... 

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1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

3700X then

 

that's pretty much a 200MHz gain in core clock compared to the non-X (same for 3700x vs 3800x btw), so not that much

But if I decide to ever dabble in OC, would the X not be an advantage? 

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1 hour ago, Bacon soup said:

You dont need the X and you dont need the extra cores of the 3700. You are not in engineering. Your 3D models in medical school are not going to need a 3700. You also do not need the AIO for stock speeds.

 

 

My friend, the 3D models might not be as extensive as engineering students but they have given some of my other systems problems.... Though I am using a Samsung RF511 laptop so I shouldn't be saying this😂

 

The AIO is just to keep things cool and also Future proof me if I ever OC etc.... Plus it tends to get hot where I live 🙂

And good fan coolers here cost as much as AIOs and you can't find the really best ones.... No Noctuas here... So I decided the AIO is my best bet. 

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6 minutes ago, Asad Javeed said:

it tends to get hot where I live

The Bacon guide to air cooling: If you live in Australia; god bless you. If you live in a normal country; just open a fucking window

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29 minutes ago, Asad Javeed said:

But if I decide to ever dabble in OC, would the X not be an advantage? 

all Zen 2 CPUs are equally lacking in core overclocking headroom, it's just a difference of max potential


"What's under the heatsink?" ep1, "Why it's not as good as it seem?" AMD fanboy edition out, episode 2 "Why my gaming board is a scam?" Intel fanboy edition coming soon (this is a link)

Hardware specs below

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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2 hours ago, Bacon soup said:

The Bacon guide to air cooling: If you live in Australia; god bless you. If you live in a normal country; just open a fucking window

Well, my setup, which I am really pouring my heart into, is going to be in a small corner of my already tiny-ish room (it's by far not the smallest room but it's the smallest in my house and doesn't have much area to work around)...

The set up is also part study setup so I am making a custom table to match the furniture as well. 

Lastly, I won't have space on the top of the desk for my PC, so I will have to get it to go under the desk. 

For that, I have a plan to build in space for the PC in the desk itself, balancing the drawers on the other side. 

 

While there will be plenty air flow, I can't pop open a window cause there's legit the next house 2 feet away from my window (bad land planning and might is right .... Can't change that) 

 

So best option is introducing as much cooling as I can. 

Plus, fans don't really die or become outdated.... Air flow and cooling is one thing that you can introduce new technology into but can't downgrade the existing one's capability... So why not invest in it...? 

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2 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

all Zen 2 CPUs are equally lacking in core overclocking headroom, it's just a difference of max potential

Ah.... Strangely enough, I have gone through enough YouTube to understand what that all means even though I am hesitant applying any knowledge of OC etc to practice yet, which is why I asked the above question. 

 

I am sure my MOBO will be Strix X570-E. 

The CPU is one thing I guess I can sort of save money on by getting the 3600x instead of 3700x, though if it downgrades the entire planned build, I woukd rather save more up than compromise. 

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I should include the planned build... 

 

Case: Asus Tuf GT501

MOBO: Strix X570-E

CPU: 3600x or 3700x

RAM: 3600MHz @CAS18 (best available really).... Trying for 32GB but might be 16GB initially if need be.

GPU: Asus Strix Rog Rx5700XT Gaming OC

1 M.2 SSD for windows, 480GB+1TB SSD for secondary storage 

360mm AIO by corsair

140 and 6 120 ML Pro fans corsair 

Commander Pro 

And RM750x PSU

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4 hours ago, Asad Javeed said:

. Is whether to go for Ryzen 5 3600x (I am stuck on the x cause I am not OCing)

There is no OC'ing on Ryzen all you do is enable pbo and that's it.

 

And you don't need such overpriced memory, motherboard and cooler for a Ryzen 5 at all.

 

Your build doesn't need 750w of power.

 

The ROG Strix is the worse RX 5700XT so you're overpaying for just the branding:

image.thumb.png.29a33c2afa4a39d0dc3bcc7adcf7f2cf.png

 

I really suggest you to make a thread specific about build planning as a whole before worrying if you need a hexacore or a octacore.


Workstation Rig:
CPU:  Intel Core i9 9900K @5.0ghz  |~| Cooling: beQuiet! Dark Rock 4 |~|  MOBO: Asus Z390M ROG Maximus XI GENE |~| RAM: 32gb 3333mhz CL15 G.Skill Trident Z RGB |~| GPU: nVidia TITAN V  |~| PSU: beQuiet! Dark Power Pro 11 80Plus Platinum  |~| Boot: Intel 660p 2TB NVMe |~| Storage: 2X4TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Iron Wolf + 2X2TB SSD SanDisk Ultra |~| Case: Cooler Master Case Pro 3 |~| Display: Acer Predator X34 3440x1440p100hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.
 
Personal Use Rig:
CPU: Intel Core i9 9900 @4.75ghz |~| Cooling: beQuiet! Shadow Rock Slim |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z390M Gaming mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3400mhzCL15 Viper Steel |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition RTX 2080 Ti |~| PSU: beQuiet! Straight Power 11 80Plus Gold  |~|  Boot:  Intel 660p 2TB NVMe |~| Storage: 2x2TB SanDisk SSD Ultra 3D |~| Case: Cooler Master Case Pro 3 |~| Display: Viotek GN34CB 3440x1440p100hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.


HTPC / "Console of the house":

CPU: Intel Core i7 8700 @4.45ghz |~| Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212X |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z370M D3H mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition GTX 1080 Ti |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.
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46 minutes ago, Asad Javeed said:

save money

If you wanna save money, you shouldnt buy premium ROG stuff period.


"What's under the heatsink?" ep1, "Why it's not as good as it seem?" AMD fanboy edition out, episode 2 "Why my gaming board is a scam?" Intel fanboy edition coming soon (this is a link)

Hardware specs below

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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1 hour ago, Princess Luna said:

There is no OC'ing on Ryzen all you do is enable pbo and that's it.

 

And you don't need such overpriced memory, motherboard and cooler for a Ryzen 5 at all.

 

Your build doesn't need 750w of power.

 

The ROG Strix is the worse RX 5700XT so you're overpaying for just the branding:

image.thumb.png.29a33c2afa4a39d0dc3bcc7adcf7f2cf.png

 

I really suggest you to make a thread specific about build planning as a whole before worrying if you need a hexacore or a octacore.

Hmm.... 

That's sounds like a better plan... 

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