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Hi I am looking to get a big NVME drive for as a one drive to put all of my games on and want to future proof so looking at direct storage the drive I am looking at is a Crucial P3 Gen 3 (Link below) because it's the only NVME drive I can find that has a NAND chip on it. When I brought my last SSD everyone said having a NAND chip on it but most of the drives don't have them is it not important anymore. The drive is a GEN3 will that be a problem for direct storage. And how big do you think In will need, the plan is to just download the games and keep them on there. The two sizes I am looking at are either 2tb or 4tb do you think that 4tb is too much as the price does feel excessive and feel a bit of overkill but with the size that games are getting like COD normally around 150GB, Red Dead Redemption 2 – 150 GB and Jedi Survivor at 165GB it doesn't seem that overkill https://www.amazon.co.uk/Crucial-Plus-PCIe-Gen4-Internal/dp/B0B25M8FXX/ref=sr_1_6?crid=3VA2IB7OG89PH&keywords=m.2%2Bnvme%2Bssd%2B4tb%2Bgen%2B4&qid=1701011718&s=computers&sprefix=m.2%2Bnvme%2Bssd%2B4tb%2Ccomputers%2C324&sr=1-6&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.cc223b57-2b86-485c-a85e-6431c1f06c86&th=1 -
Hey I'm looking at getting a SSD for a games library and the P3 is on sale the problem is that they don't come with a heatsink and my motherboard doesn't have a heatsink. How important is it to get a heatsink. If so does anyone know one that will work? Also is it important to get a SSD with a NAND chip
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Summary Tech startup QuInAsQu has unveiled a working prototype of their "UltraRam" NAND technology. Claimed features include: Less than 1ns write latency Over ten million write cycle durability Non-volatility with data retention estimated at over a thousand years Orders of magnitude lower power consumption than existing DRAM Quotes My thoughts Jeez, does it also give massages? At least they have a working prototype, so it's theoretically not complete BS. Sources https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ultraram-demos-prototype-chip-secures-funding-to-validate-commercial-potential -
Hello. I bought Kingston KC600 several days ago after my previous from ADATA died after almost 5 years of hard work. I like the SSD so far just have a simple question. In Crystal Disk Info I noticed total count of NAND writes and now its above 2.5 TB already. How is it possible? I did not do any heavy data transfer. Will I exceed the limit of this SSD really quick then? Is it normal? Should I panik?
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Hey Guys! Hope you are doing well. First of all, I apologise if this is not under the correct sub forum. I'm a newbie so please excuse the indiscretion and add this to the appropriate forum. Now onto the issue. I want to buy the new M2 MacBook Air. However, I wanted your opinion on the version I should buy. I definitely want to buy the 16 GB RAM option so that's out of the way. However I am confused as to whether I should take the Mac with the 256 GB SSD or should I take the 512 GB SSD model ? I don't use up much space on my laptop and I know that the 256 GB SSD would suffice for me. However I have the following concerns: The 256 GB SSD has a single NAND Flash Chip and as such has slower read and write speeds compared to the 512 GB model. i) Would this lead to less reliability in the 256 GB version (SSD life) ? ii) Would the eventual and inevitable depreciation of hardware performance over the years hit me hard due to the single chip and slower speeds ? iii) Would the higher read and write speeds of the 512 GB model be noticeable in everyday usage ? iv) Any other valid concerns which may be raised as per the opinion of fellow community members. (The person who has to use this laptop is a law student who has to use the web browser with a lot of chrome tabs open, lots of Microsoft Office Products and lots of content streaming) Regards, -
Hello, One day I launched HWinfo and saw that my m.2 ssd was showing red temperatures. I freaked out and bought a heat sink. After doing tons of research it seems people agree a heat sink is a good idea but only on the controller NOT the NAND. However cooling the controller could spoof the nand into thinking its not hot and in return get much hotter? I also read that if you put a heatsink on it it can reduce the life of your ssd and I don't want that. What I do want is for my ssd to stay alive for as long as possible and not to be hot as I feel that would reduce lifespan as well. I never want it to throttle but I dont want to kill it! lol Well I ended up moving my m.2 underneath my gpu and installed it's drivers.. my temps are as follows IDLE (Itunes, Firefox open): TEMP2 usually likes to hang around 65-70 ( just updated cod and it jumped up to 70 in seconds) Gaming for 2 hours: I would like to put my heatsink on my m.2 however the first temperature seems to be my NAND and I think 48~ degrees is healthy, is this correct? If so If I put my heat sink on will this damage my NAND? For some reason my temps seem to be okay now? I don't like that my max temp is 75 or currently near 70 but again is this normal? I am just unsure.. Your feedback is appreciated Thank you!
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ssd SSD will be $$D ( significantly pricey) soon! SSHD's market?
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The price of SSD will get higher because of the shortage of NAND gate. Actually, who are the prime makers of these NAND gates? As SSD's market will crunch a little bit instead of having a upward graphical chart, is it possible that SSHD could have it's chance? Such as Seagate's Firecuda. Though not on the same level but closer to the performance. -
According to an article from Fudzilla In short, every SSD owner's worst nightmare. So far there is no mention of V-NAND in what the article quotes from the original article in Bleepingcomputer. To my knowledge, Samsung 850s (both EVO and PRO) are using V-NAND tech which as to this article is different from MLC and TLC NAND. Samsung 850 SSD owners rejoice! ...perhaps. -
Toshiba has agree to sell its nand business to Bain Capital-led consortium, for the amount of 2 trillion Yen or about $18 billion US dollars. The consortium also has other members such as Apple, Dell, SK Hynix, Kingston, Hoya Corporations, and Seagate. Currently Western Digital is trying to block the sale, saying it violates their partnership agreement. PDF http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/ir/en/news/20170928_1.pdf https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/28/toshiba-sells-chip-unit-to-bain-apple-group-for-18-billion.html https://www.techpowerup.com/237415/toshiba-sells-its-memory-business-to-bain-capital-for-usd-18-billion
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Toshiba is about to lose their NAND Division.
NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle posted a topic in Tech News
So Toshiba is selling their NAND flash division. So I guess we're in for some price increases in the future. Fantastic. /s I know I know no one cares right now since the Iphone double donut has been officially revealed and everyone is selling one of their kidneys to just buy one, but soon you'll need to sell the other one as well. Quote from Hilbert @Guru3d Source: http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/toshiba-sells-nand-divison-to-consortium.html -
They've done it again! Hopefully reliability doesn't suffer too much. The dream of an inexpensive multi-terabyte SSD is getting closer by the... Day? https://www.overclock3d.net/news/storage/toshiba_produces_the_world_s_first_4-bit_qlc_nand_flash_memory/1 -
Late last year I bought myself a cheap TC-SUNBOW 60GB SSD to for my daily-driver laptop. So far it's been going fine, however at times there is some noticeable performance fluctuation during boot-up. Sequential reads are around 320MB/s, and sequential writes around 87MB/s. So far it's managed 1.2TBW and has 99% health remaining. The low sequential writes had me wondering how many NAND chips are inside this thing, and well... ...yeah. Inside is a legit-looking SM2246XT controller (Sata 3, No DRAM), and one no-brand 64GB 2-bit/cell MLC NAND flash chip. Boot times are what matter the most to me - so I ran some boot time tests to get a better idea of noticeable performance difference. These were done on up-to-date installations of Windows 7 with manufacturer drivers, a browser and Office installed. Measured from 'Starting Windows' to desktop. Seagate ST500LM000 SSHD 500GB, 4GB Cache: 10 seconds Sandisk SSD 240GB: 11 seconds TC-SUNBOW SSD 60GB: 16 seconds Seagate ST750LM022 HDD: 52 seconds I'm here wondering how long exactly might this SSD last, and are these cheap SSDs actually worth it for the performance difference?
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I used to have my OS on an Optant-accelerated HDD--I now have it on a Samsung NVMe SSD, and would like to still use the Optane module to accelerate another drive. Is this possible? I remember hearing a rumor about Intel adding it...
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I wanna buy a 1TB sata ssd and a 1TB nvme one. Its currently on sales where i am, for $150 and $270 respectively. These are really low prices as you know. I paid $150 for my 256GB ssd back in 2013. And its the first time for both sata and nvme drives to be that cheap. But we all know that there have been 2 major changes in the nand industry. Price fixing has been found and undone, and nand shortage is reversing. So it is anticipated that nand prices in 2019 will drop even more. So I'm wondering whether i should buy now or wait. Remember, it's currently on sales, so it might be the same price right now as the normal price from 6 months in the future.But the sales only last a week. I really don't want to buy now and find 6 months later that a 1TB nvme ssd is the price of a 1TB sata ssd today. So what price do you think the nand will reach this year, will it be to the point where 1TB sata will cost under 100, near HDD price, and 1TB nvme will cost $200?
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I recently got a new M.2 NVMe SSD and went looking for a heat sink for it because it gets a lot hotter than my old SATA M.2. After installing the heat sink I read on some forums (this one included) that, while the controller likes to be cool, the NAND chips shouldn't be cooled because they wear out faster when cool. This didn't make sense to me as you can get SSDs from the manufacturers with heat sinks on them, an external SSD enclosure I bought came with a thermal pad to dissipate heat to the case and the WD SSD Dashboard has a little temperature status indicator on the GUI that only shows green for good and yellow for too hot. Doing some more googling I was only able to find an Ars Technica article from 2012 about how annealing NAND chips at 800 C (so a lot hotter than any PC) could pretty reliably release stuck electrons, making the cell usable again. My gut says this is the source of a misconception. So, I'm still willing to believe that hot NAND makes SSDs last longer, but I'm going to need some better evidence. I mean a study testing that specific hypothesis or a news article reporting on a study or manufacturers recommendation from their website or something like that. Does anyone have better evidence one way or the other? If it's true I will happily rip off my shiny new heat sink. Stay skeptical PS. First post ever so if I broke all the rules, uh, whoops. -
I wonder, are there any sources from major manufacturers of NAND flash, which include clear definitions of temperature to endurance ratio. Because in discussion about this topic i failed to prove my point of view on the questionable benefit of M.2 heatsinks. In short, it looks like something like: - "If it will be some document or something from Micron/Samsung/Toshiba - i will trust it. Otherwise, GTFO". P.S. I understand purpose behind M.2 heatsinks, i just think, that implementation (attaching heatsink flat both on a controller and nand chips) is kinda bad. You get an bonus of better temps on controller, but at a same time you loosing in endurance of your drive, because you lowering temperatures on nand chips. This is what I referred to during the discussion: Some whitepaper: https://cdn.selinc.com/assets/Literature/Publications/White Papers/0015_NANDflash_IO_20141211.pdf?v=20170218-001047 Gamers Nexus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzSIfxHppPY Thank you in advance.
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A recent power outage at one of Samsung's facilities in South Korea has destroyed roughly 3.5% of the global NAND flash supply for March, in a single 30 minute period. A brief power outage caused the destruction of roughly 50,000 to 60,000 V-NAND flash wafers. While it does seem like a lot, the good news is the production line itself was not damaged and is back online and churning out more chips. I hope the impact is minimal in the long run, which Samsung seems to believe as well, as they have a stockpile already which should allow them to fulfill short term needs while the facility resumes production. Link: https://www.anandtech.com/show/12535/power-outage-at-samsungs-fab-destroys-3-percent-of-global-nand-flash-output
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I was looking online at SSD storage for a SAN array i'm planning to build, and came across this puppy - 100TB SSD!!! WHAAA??? https://nimbusdata.com/products/exadrive-platform/scalable-ssds/ Didn't think it existed, but clearly, it does. They also have an appliance that can squeeze 4.5PB (yes, PETAbytes) into 4RU. And it appears the 100TB is in a 3.5" form-factor. Looks like they beat Seagate to the party Wanna do a review Linus?
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Hey guys I'm new in this forum so hello to everybody I'm building a new machine and have a problem with my SSD. I bought the new 500Gb WD Black 3D-NAND SSD (M.2 2280, PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe) and my mainboard or the Windows 10 installer won't recognize it. Here are my specs: Mb: ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-F SSD: WD Black 3D-NAND SSD (500Gb) CPU: i7 8700k GPU: GTX 660ti PSU: be quiet! Dark Power Pro (850 Watt) dunno what else do you need to know I have already updated the bios. I tried different things I read in other forums. But to be honest I don't remember every settings I tried. I try to install Windows 10 from a bootable USB Stick I created with the Media Creation Tool. I have also a HD which is working fine. I already disconected all Sata devices. I set the PCIe mode from x2 to x4 but didn't help. Do you have an idea what I could do? -
Ok, so you know how there has been a trend with motherboards and CPU's to move all the extra chips into the CPU package? there's a CPU, GPU and North bridge in there, and the CPU has small amounts of RAM in there. I was thinking, more towards Intel but AMD could also do it, putting a small amount of storage on there (optane for Intel.) that you could put a Windows installation on (or any OS) that would be ridiculously quick because it's right there on the CPU, pretty much nothing else would be able to fit but you'd have some amazing boot times.
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Does anyone know exactly when did Kingston changed this SSDs to a slwer NAND without telling anyone? I find lots of articles from March/April 2014 and one from January. I have two, the first one I bought during the last days of August 2013, and the second one on March 10 2014. Do you know if my older drive still has the faster performance?
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Hello, I was watching a Gamers Nexus video where it was said that cooling flash storage hurts the lifespan of it because the flash modules "want to be warm". I was wondering if anyone can elaborate on this, because I can't find any information on whether this claim is true, much less more specific information such as temperature thresholds. I have a Toshiba XG4 NVMe drive that idles around 55c and reaches 75 - 80c when doing even moderately intensive things like loading a map in Operations on BF1 or installing a larger update or program. More intensive tasks can push it well into the 80c range. Because of this, I bought a KryoM.2 PCIe to M.2 adapter with a fairly large heatsink. Now I'm not sure whether I should forego the KryoM.2 and let the controller get hot and possibly throttle for the sake of the flash modules, or whether it would be better to keep the drive as a whole cooler with the heatsink in the long run. As I said, I can't really find any information to go on. Here is the video. The comment is made at 11:25. Thanks! -
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-silently-shows-unannounced-1tb-bga-ssd.html I'm hoping that image renders, as I'm on my phone atm, which means I can't select text on guru3d either to paste a quote. However, the author speculates this is the new Micron 64-layer BICS 3D NAND, and mentions the possibility that this could be embedded in a phone or used to make future 4TB M.2 SSDs. This reveal had no leaks whatsoever, and a release date is not yet given. Still, woohoo innovation! And hopefully this means the NAND shortage is entering its final stage.
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Source: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9248/the-truth-about-ssd-data-retention TL;DR If your SSD has hit its endurance rating AND you store it at temps in excess of 55°C (131°F) THEN you could possibly be looking at data loss within a week or two. Note the bit about the endurance rating. So if the drive is rated for 100TB, this only applies AFTER you've written 100TB to it.
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Toshiba and Sandisk today announced that they’ve developed 48 layer stacked 3D NAND flash memory a 2-bit-per-cell 128-gigabit (16 gigabytes) device. The two companies call their 48 layer 3D NAND memory “BiCS NAND” , an abbreviation for Bit Cost Scalable NAND. For perspective , samsung lastest 3d nand , also called VNAND has 32 layers . The company is also readying for mass production in the new Fab2 at Yokkaichi Operations, its production site for NAND flash memories. Fab2 is now under construction and will be completed in the first half of 2016, to meet growing demand for flash memory. Source: http://www.techpowerup.com/211047/toshiba-develops-worlds-first-48-layer-bics.html http://www.myce.com/news/toshibas-new-bics-3d-nand-should-make-ssds-cheaper-and-more-reliable-75507/- 26 replies
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