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Don't wait for rebrand or aftermarket cards. You'll have no chance at getting them because miners will eat them up like a bunch of starved dogs. Get the reference edition (best VRM setup for any card save the LN2 special editions from like Galax or something), then either undervolt on the stock cooler or slap a water block on it from EK and go to town on the thing.

EK just basically confirmed Intel's 8th gen i-series CPUs have at least 6 cores:

Literally watch the reviews on it. Basically everybody goes into the power draw aspect.

It's perf/watt is way better than Polaris, I mean Vega 56 draws the same power as an OC'd RX580 while being way faster. Vega 64 is past the efficiency curve of the whole architecture. For the performance AMD wants out of it they have to push it way past that curve with high clocks and thus high power draw (also doesn't help AMD pushes a crapload more voltage than is really necessary). Vega 56 seems to be the sweetspot of the entire architecture.

Here: https://www.computerbase.de/2017-08/radeon-rx-vega-64-56-test/8/ Under the image of Vega 64 with the spare die: Definitiv nicht fertig sind die Treiber. Der Draw Stream Binning Rasterizer (DSBR) ist zwar offenbar noch in letzter Sekunde fertig geworden, der High Bandwith Cache Controller (HBCC) ist aber immer noch standardmäßig abgeschaltet und Primitive Shader fehlen komplett. aka Definitely not finished are the drivers. The Draw Stream Binning Rasterizer (DSBR) was apparently finished in the last second, the High Bandwith Cache Controller (HBCC) is switched off by default and Primitive Shaders are missing completely.

Though the reference cooler may suck, the VRM serup is among the best in the business, far better than most custom boards out there. It's the same as the Vega FE aka 12 phases clustered around the core for minimal voltage drop. That's for both the 64 and 56. Basically, get the reference boards and slap an aftermaket or liquid cooler on it.

Deadlines promised to investors and a need to just launch.

Reddit, don't know where he found it though.

May I add that it's doing so with most of its new features still disabled by drivers (rasterizer, HBCC, primitive shaders)? Sure, it's still a half-arsed rushed launch but if it's already on-par or beating the green team I think it's save to say FineWine will start doing its thing in a month or 2-3.

Vega 56 is already beating a 1080Ti in Blender rendering, so there's that.

GCN us pretty much at its EoL at this point. It's great for raw compute, but at the powerdraw of SLI 1080s and equal the gaming performance it's a fail. The 56 makes more sense at this point and seems to be the optimal configuration for the Vega arch. Above 56CUs and you get a: bottlenecking front/backend and b: massive power draw increase for small perofmance gain. Also, many reviewers have already confirmed that the drivers used here are pretty basic. HBCC is turned off by default, primitive shaders are entirely absent, as is the rasterizer. While it's a good sign that Vega is equal to the competition here (despite the higer power draw) with these things disabled as it means future drivers will improve performance (FineWine in action) it's really clear here that AMD rushed Vega to market with unfinished drivers that have the really important stuff disabled. That makes them look bad on launch days and those reviews are the ones you want to be scoring great numbers in. It's pretty much a repeat of the RX480 launch. Drivers need to mature, then we have Vega on top of 1070/1080. As long as the prices stay at MSRP and don't skyrocket because of miners (first indications are good on that front, Vega can't mine a lot better than a 1070/RX480) it's a good GPU. AMD needs it badly. That said, this launch is a disaster. While US folks have some good prices at MSRP us EU folks get jack shit. We can't even pre-order any Vega here, and the stuff that is available is overpriced as fuck. Seriously. Regular Vega 64 for €1199. Get out.

Still clueless. What's a 480 GTX? Furthermore, GTX480 not needing much power? What? That's the most power hungry GPU of all time (up until Vega 64 liquid), so much that the reference design needed 5 heatpipes to stay somewhat cool.

RX550/460s don't need them, as do some lower-end RX560s.

I want to know how in the hell they plan to cool the furnaces of i9s in the iMac. Even the cooling solutions they've showed only had two thin heatpipes connected to a small radiator stack.

Vengeance LPX hasn't failed me.

The liquid 64 can run fine on a 650 and that has a 350W TDP, you're totally fine with a 600W for a 56. Just make sure it has two 8-pin plugs on the end because reference Vega 56 requires 2 8-pins, just like Vega 64.

A regular Fury beating a 1080 in 4k Bioshok Good to see Linux getting some love.

Article is offline now. Either AMD's not happy and forced them to or they found the info was wrong and they pulled the article from the side themselves.

If you don't need the 8 cores and don't do SLI, then go for it, though wait with that 1070. If Vega 56 launches at around the same price it might be the better buy.

Gaming isn't where the money's made, right AMD?

The Ti will outperform Vega 64 by a landslide. Hell, even the 1080 will. The real sweet spot for Vega is the Vega 56 which uses a heck of a lot less power while only giving in like 5% of the performance. That puts it well above the 1070 and even into 1080 territory. But don't think AMD will have anything with Vega that competes with a Titan or 1080Ti. If they want to do that they'd have to move into the 96CU/6144SP territory making yields almost non-existent for such massive dies and it would probably need a nuclear power plant to power it.

Honestly, a Vega 64 at that price is just retarded. 1080 performance at 115W more power draw. It's a repeat of the Fury launch where the Fury was a way more sensible buy over a Fury X. The Vega 56 is a way better buy in every way, shape and form, IF the leaked performance we've seen is actually accurate and it crushes a 1070. Otherwise that should also not exist at $399.

Put TF2 in it so Valve is forced to get off of their lazy butts and actually do something with the game that isn't adding hats every 6 months.

The 150W trough the 8 pin is per ATX spec, it can do muuuuuuuch more than that. Your VRM can operate safely at 120ºC if it wants to, but it has airflow and a heatsink so it won't get that hot at all. Your only issue right now would be not getting drivers from AMD since their drivers have a bios signature check and you'd have to find your way around the drivers doing that. Google it, more people have done it before.

Ryzen is hitting a frequency/voltage wall at around 3.9-4.0 GHz, and pretty much all but the cheapest of B350 boards can already hit that frequency. Get B350 if SLI isn't on your mind (you can still CF) and you can do without 2 extra USB3.1 ports X370 provides.