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Wow! I get busy and don’t visit the board in a few months and go figure, something I posted about long ago has become relevant again! I ended up very luckily getting an EVGA 3080 XC3 Ultra from Best Buy in November. I immediately undervolted it to 1860mhz at 850mv, which helped with power consumption and temps in general, but remained suspicious of the potential VRAM temps. With this issue still on my mind I started checking the temps with HWInfo64 as soon as it was enabled and sure enough, they went as high as 104* under intense load! While this may be “okay” by design I was not thrilled about temps like that long term. Unlike ASUS and MSI, EVGA (along with Gigabyte and some others) do not put thermal pads on the backside of the PCB between the PCB and backplate. Awful cheap practice for a $800 piece of hardware. I ended up ordering some Gelid 2mm thermal pads and carefully cut them to shape and installed them on the backside of the memory modules. Now my VRAM temps peak at about 94* under load, and take significantly longer to get that hot, a satisfactory improvement for the cost of only a thermal pad (though I am disappointed in EVGA for skimping on this in the first place). Overall I am happy with the 3080 and the performance is incredible but if you have one of the cards that cheaps out and doesn’t leverage the backplate for additional cooling, at least do yourself a favor and install some thermal pads, they do help.

I went from a 1070 Ti to a 1080 Ti for 1440p/144hz and think it was totally worth it, if you have a plain 1070 I would go for it.

You are asking about a technology that is not even being shared with developers for another year. Nobody knows for sure yet.

AMD's new cards (and the new consoles) do have hardware RT support, this was announced by them months ago. https://www.pcworld.com/article/3530346/amd-talks-pc-gpu-ray-tracing-as-it-looks-to-the-future-of-ryzen-and-radeon.html

Tomorrow, 12PM EST/4PM GMT.

Known for quite some time. https://www.tweaktown.com/news/74815/zotac-is-preparing-8-new-geforce-rtx-30-series-cards-so-far/index.html

Agreed, and now with the latest CP2077 delay announced today, I am in absolutely zero rush to get a card. Will be really curious to see how the landscape looks when the dust settles, and if Nvidia starts using the imperfect leftover 3080 chips to ship a 3070 Ti like the new rumors suggest.

I don’t necessarily think that’s the case, Nvidia crushing AMD just by allowing 3070 reviews, and I definitely don’t think most people pre-ordered 3080s; very few retailers even allowed it and for many of those that did, it is now known that companies like ASUS and EVGA are not restocking non-OC cards at this time so if you pre-ordered one of those you could be waiting well into 2021. Lots of people openly hoping AMD comes out swinging so they can actually buy a card of some kind this year. If anything Nvidia should have made their cards available today to pull off an upset, but because you can’t buy them for two more days, Nvidia has played its hand and now the ball is very much in AMDs court.

3070 launch is the day after RDNA 2 announcement, and we don’t even know when AMD’s actual launch is. Launch = product available to buy

Tomorrow is the announcement, launch is TBD. If we’re lucky, launch will be in early November with Zen 3.

Honestly not that surprised. I’m looking at it as a good thing actually as it means more time to get a new GPU. Now let’s see MLID “leak” a conspiracy that Nvidia paid CDPR to delay so they can sell more RTX cards

If you plan to overclock the FTW is a better card; much higher power limit and 3x8-pin power. If you plan to leave it stock the TUF is better and is a quieter card.

That is interesting. Honestly a “3070 Ti” with those specs would be a perfect 1440p card if such a thing is released. I was hoping to grab a new card before Cyberpunk releases but the plain 3070 just does not seem like enough of an upgrade from the 1080 Ti I currently have. Really excited to see what AMDs new cards look like and how Nvidia responds.

Gamers Nexus on YouTube linked two different brand 3090s for a SLI test, you should watch the whole thing start to finish as the whole video is very enlightening (941W under load!!!)

Those are old rumors, the more recent information indicates Nvidia has cancelled all plans for extra 3070 and 3080 variants until the mid-cycle refresh, as they are definitely not having any troubles selling the cards they already have available. https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-allegedly-cancels-geforce-rtx-3080-20gb-and-rtx-3070-16gb

Real MVP is the Jazz Multimedia Rendition V2200 “Bonnie and Clyde” GPU that had both PCI and AGP connections; you could flip it over and move the I/O plate to the other side to use either or.

I would not expect the new PowerVR card to be remotely competitive in the gaming sphere. Intel has a better shot at releasing a competitive GPU, and even then I would expect it to be sub-AMD (Intel couldn’t even release a good GPU when they were on the top of their game in the Pentium days and there were like 7 other companies in the running). AMD has bested Nvidia before. It’s been a long time though (78xx/79xx, R9, etc). I don’t honestly think AMD will have the “best” card this generation but it sure seems like Lisa Su’s leadership has finally lit a fire under their ass to focus their resources and truly be competitive. If RDNA2 is even close to this good, RDNA3 should be a treat.

They built a bunch of giant empty buildings where nothing is happening, basically. They keep trying to use loopholes such as hiring temp workers and building show production lines for photo ops to claim they have accomplished something, but the whole area they occupy is a ghost town with no real purpose. They couldn’t prove that they hired enough people so they lost out on a bunch of the promised money, but the main loss is the infrastructure the state and surrounding towns invested in to support a factory that does not exist. People’s homes literally got bulldozed for Foxconn and now there is nothing to show for it. Foxconn may not have received the subsidies that they have been vying for, but there were still billions of dollars invested to support them that will never be recouped. Even if Foxconn delivered the cost to us taxpayers would have been something absurd like $70,000 USD per job created from the subsidies. Many locals including myself thought the whole deal was a terrible idea from the beginning and never took Foxconn seriously but the government was jebaited into plowing a deal through.

I personally disagree. DLSS' biggest limitation is that it's not universally supported and Papa Nvidia has to bless your game with AI training to enable it. It's not like an API where the developers can just choose to incorporate it at will. There are less than 20 games that currently support it and only about 25 more with future support announced. I think it would be fair if it was universally available, but Nvidia gets to cherry pick the titles it supports with AI training. So to compare only DLSS-enabled titles and say the 3080 is the best card because it's faster in ~50 out of thousands of PC titles is kind of silly. Pure raster vs pure raster is an objective standard. This is the same thing we saw with S3 and the MeTaL API 20 years ago, it blew the doors off 3dfx/ATi/Nvidia in the small number of titles where it was supported but was objectively inferior elsewhere. Times have changed in a lot of ways but back then consistent performance with no tricks ultimately won out.

I live in Wisconsin where this happened and it is definitely a giant clusterfuck, but OP clearly is not here to actually discuss any of the details.

3DMark, Firestrike, Time Spy, and Port Royal benchmarks are now appearing for the AMD Radeon RX 6800XT Navi 21 AIB models. The 6800XT is the only AIB model at this time, the higher end 6900 or XTX (final name unknown) that is exclusive to AMD has not yet been thoroughly benchmarked. Quotes Wccftech It appears that Wccftech received very similar results to Igor, also divided into two groups: percent different and score difference: CapFrameX: The developer of the benchmarking utility posted initial performance figures for the Big Navi, without confirming which SKU that is. The SKU would allegedly offer 8% better performance than RTX 3080 in Fire Strike Ultra, a DirectX 11 based 4K benchmark. @KittyYYuko A person who we still remember from a different nickname (Kitty Corgi) has provided many leaks that have already been confirmed. Yuko provided results in four different benchmarks of the Navi 21 XT sample, which allegedly features 80 Compute Units. However, based on what we know the 80CU version is exclusive to the XTX variant. Kitty’s results have been put together by @harukaze5719: If these numbers are accurate, it seems like AMD will have a truly competitive offering for the first time in many years. The inferior RT performance is not terribly surprising given AMD's new support of the feature, but that is likely not a deal breaker for many PC enthusiasts. Of course, the major question is price. If AMD asks 3080 money for the 6800XT, the reception may not be great. However, if it's $100-200 less, AMD may have a winner on its hands. Sources https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-6800xt-alleged-3dmark-scores-hit-the-web

Used 1080 Ti at ~$350 is pretty hard to beat right now, still trades blows with 2070 Super/2080.

Nvidia no longer sells cards on its website in North America because they screwed up the 3080 launch so bad and then it was found the store was exposing cached customer data like addresses and CC info. May or may not change before 3070 release but anyone trying to get one should plan on spamming F5 on a retailer site or camping out at a brick and mortar.

Correct, AMDs own letter says they “strongly recommend” such measures, says nothing about a requirement. Still, kudos to AMD for at least acknowledging the issues. Even without protections I think the AMD cards will be easier to get simply due to better yields, but more product in consumer hands = PR win for AMD, regardless of the reason.

I’m calling “fake” on this one. 3800MHz was not the sweet spot on Zen 2 according to AMD’s own published info, not all Zen 2 chips can even fclk that high. The “good luck” at the end is a huge tell as well, AMD has never made weird little comments like that in past slide decks. Too many inconsistencies for something supposedly “official.”