Origami Cactus

48 minutes ago, TVwazhere said:

Me trying to understand all this

I can put it in simpler terms or answer some questions about it lol. I mainly made the math in my own curiosity, but thought it can also be interesting to other photography nerds.

Simply put: Lens lets in 2x more light, but sensor area at 10x zoom is also about 2x smaller. Quality at 10x at higher should be a little better on the s24u thanks to 12.5mpix vs 10mpix, while the sensor area vs lens brightness cancel each other out basically.

1 hour ago, goodtofufriday said:

Any image that needs any zoom looks bad, and not great to terrible in low light situations. 

Can you please explain what you mean by that? If you are a bit more specific then that would be helpful.

If you mean that zooming in gallery after the fact when the photo is taken, then yeah. 12Mp really means that you need to get the image right out the gate and you can't zoom in on it afterwards. I owned the X compact, that was 20mpix, so had a bit more freedom in that aspect. But on the S22 you should be able to do 50mpix too.

In low light situations you need to use the dedicated night mode, it isn't built into the normal "photo" mode, you need to swipe to video, then swipe up again until you get to night mode. It is about 20x better than the normal auto mode, and nothing less than impressive in low light situations.

25 minutes ago, goodtofufriday said:

After getting so disappointed buy the pixel 8 that I returned it, I was hoping to upgrade to the s24. 

 

But it literally is the same phone as my s22, just a little faster. 

 

My only gripe with this phone is the cameras. But the s24 has the same ones. 

Not interested in using AI features.

 

Shame. If the pixel 8 had even half the software QoL of Samsung then I have kept it for the camera. But there was just way too much functionality missing. 

The first few, maybe 3-4 generations of the pixel phones had the same exact cameras every year, but they also improved massively yearly too.

Image sensors really aren't the barrier in these age of platoed tech development, it is more about the image processing.
I guarantee the S24 pictures will come out better than the S22 ones in all situations, even if you aren't interested in AI, this is exactly where it helps.

11 hours ago, TVwazhere said:

I was curios to the camera stackup compared to the S23U I have...

Having used the 10x up to 100X a few times, they have good built in  stabilization, so this isn't a strong counterargument to a reduced telephoto option. But I wonder if it's a better implementation (less pixilation at higher zooms)

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/samsung-debuts-generative-ai-focused-galaxy-s24-smartphone-lineup-180147417.html

The 5x camera on the S24 ultra is 50Mp, pixel size 0.7µm, F3.4, 115mm eq (real focal length 18.6mm), sensor size 1/2.52 (sony IMX854, 5.75 x 4.32 mm).

The 10x camera on the S23 ultra is 10mp, pixel size 1.12µm, F4.9, 230mm equiv (real focal length 27.2mm), sensor size is 1/3.52 (Sony IMX754, 4.3mm x 3.22mm)

The new S24 ultra at 10x will be 5.75 x 4.32 mm / 2 = 2.8mm x 2.16mm.

So the sensor area is about 2x smaller, 13.8cm2 vs 6cm2. But it will be 50/2/2 = 12.5mpix vs 10mpix on the old sensor.

The new lens is exactly 1 EV brighter, F3.4 vs F4.9, so it lets in exactly 2x more light, effectively counteracting the fact that the sensor collects about 2x less light due to size. So image quality at 10x should be about the same, if not a bit sharper due to more megapixels, and it can use a 2x higher shutterspeed in all situations, so it should give better results in lower light.

As far as higher zooms go, the extra few megapixels will help, but more difference should come from the new ISP and the better frame stacking methods the new phone can use.

All the other cameras are the same, so no need to do any calculations, they will just benefit from the new ISP and better AI processing, so images should look better, how much is a different question. I like the 4k 120fps option on the main lens too, and that you can use all lenses at 4k 60fps, instead of being locked into the single lens when starting to record.

I wish for Nicky V to go solo, oh wait, he already did.

Then maybe Taran, oh, he also already went.

Surely Ivan hasn't left yet, oh, he is also gone.

Out of the still working there crew, James, Alex and Riley I guess.

White GPUS are niche already, there doesn't need to be a ton of variety of them. Seems like you have good choices available anyways, both Taichi OC and Powercolor Hellhound are decent cards, I don't see why you would need more choice.

Also worth noting that no filter is perfect, maybe the website you are on doesn't list the Sapphire cards for example, because they are not pure white, but mixed with other colors.

Look at crystaldiskinfo, or/and do the HDD health checks through seagate software, make sure.

Faulty hardware is the nr1 reason for file corruption.

Probably your windows is installed on that ssd, so look at crystaldiskinfo, and try to find some SSD health checking utility too, most manufacturers provide them for their SSDs.

2 minutes ago, Shwisqy said:

Ok thak you

I just made the same mistake back when I was starting too, went looking for the best fans for my radiator, spent a lot of money, only to discover the different in temps was 1-2celsius, so all that money wasted for nothing. I could have gotten an extra 32gb of ram for that money, or a better motherboard, more storage, anything. Sometimes the best option is just to stay reasonable and invest that money wisely into something else. For the price of a few high end fans you can already get a 1tb GEN4 m.2 for example

1 hour ago, Shwisqy said:

So are you saying that if I swap out the Arctic fans, to something better, they will cool more? Wouldn't it be better if I swapped out the fans on the NZXT AIO with something more efficient?

The Arctic Freezer 2 radiator itself is the most efficient on the market. NZXT gets to the top of the charts only thanks to having the power of Boeing 747 in your room.

This is why both are limited to 40DB, the Arctic takes the top of the leaderboard, because it is the most efficient design (radiator, pump, overall package) out of all of them. I have NZXT fans, at 100% you can hear them through the door and next 2 rooms over, please don't do it.

Please don't overthink your cooling solution. Arctic is a budget Noctua, the fans are really silent and IT STILL COOLS VERY WELL. There is no point in having the "best solution on paper that is cooler by 1c", but what you can't stand because the computer sounds like it is an DJI Mavic about to take off next to your ears, 24/7. If you wanted the "best" cooling, why even take the compromise that is an AIO, and go straight to liquid nitrogen or a freezer setup?

The arctic is the best compromise out of all of them. It provides MORE THAN ENOUGH cooling for your cpu, WHILE STAYING ACTUALLY REASONABLE ACUSTICS WISE.

I would go stock Arctic Freezer 2, biggest radiator size that fits in your case, and stock Arctic fans.

1 minute ago, Sensenacai said:

I don't understand the first part of your response. Setting the power limit to 65W Eco Mode is exactly what I've been doing...

 

Last time I flashed a BIOS update was right before I installed the 5800X. My motherboard has saved the XMP profile I set for my RAM but doesn't seem to keep the 65W Eco Mode for long.

Then that is a weird issue with your motherboard, don't know what else to tell you, as nothing should be changing your bios settings.

Either way as everyone has said, don't do the exhange, as 5800x is higher grade silicon, and just doesn't make sense to downgrade while taking a loss.

My bios settings remain as I set them, so idk. make sure you save the bios, you could even save the eco mode into the default bios settings on some motherboards, play around, see what you can do.

4 minutes ago, ImWilly said:

Well, as the table informs at max fan speed, NZXT Kraken X73 is crushing all of the other AIO, including Arctic and Deepcool

 

But on the scenario where the fan speed is set to max 40dB, NZXT lost to Deepcool and Arctic (basically NZXT fan is not designed to be quiet)

 

That is why if you're looking for absolute raw max performance, NZXT is the clear winner

 

But if you wanna quieter sound on your PC and not always wanna crank 300W performance on your CPU, Arctic might just be worth a shot

yeah, really worth noting that while it might seem not a big deal, 40db, 50db, the sound difference is only 10, small change, the reality is that sound is logaritmic. over 50db is really annoying and sounds like your personal jet engine, not something you want to hear every day. From pure cooling capability, the arctic wins, it can cool the chip more if you strap the same fans to it, as the design is more efficient.

Absolutely no point. The 5700 is the 5800x, just with lower power limits.

I don't understand why you have a weird complex with turning on the ECO mode in the bios, it is literally what the 5700 is.

If you have an allergy against the word "ECO" for some reason, open the advanced panel in bios and type "65w" in yourself.

There is no point in downgrading, as 5800x is the higher grade of silicon between the 2. That means, when limited to the same exact power limit, it will run faster. (potentially)
 

As far as chip cooking itself goes, again just your personal phobia, not a real thing.

So just set the chip to 65w limit and you are done. Bios can't change settings on its own. It only reverts back to default if you update bios to a newer version, or if you don't have the bios battery inside the motherboard.

I mean it is completely fine, the instructor is the one steering, opening the parachute etc, you are just along for the ride, so really notinh scary. But if you have any phobia about it then it will look scary yeah. Also going skydiving with a crazy hangover probably not the best idea either.

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Yeah, I don't think he has changed either, he has always been that arrogant "i am right, you are wrong" kind of guy that does janky things.

Back in the old house where everyone were friends, they were better at keeping him at bay, and also as you say, they were actually making fun videos where it didn't really matter they were janky, that is what he was known for.

You can see that arrogant personality slip out of Linus in even the old videos, but then there was Nicky V or someone else back at him with a quick jab or a joke for acting like a douche. Now he only has Luke who really can't control him anymore.

7 minutes ago, TylerD321 said:

The irony is real

Yeah, if you missed the joke I armchair moderated the armchair moderator, making me the bigger rulebreaker of the 2, and now with this reply I just added nothing to the original discussion (as did you), so now I also derailed the topic, breaking a further rule.

2 minutes ago, mr cheese said:

I have nothing to add except this is a pitchfork post and pitchfork thread and could've just been a reply to the megathread. Needless reaction and post altogether.

I am going to make this real meta, but armchair moderation is aCtUAlLy not allowed, just like this whole thread could have been a single reply to the megathread, your whole reply could have been a single report. Needless reaction and reply altogether. 

30 minutes ago, dizmo said:

People who care about quality items. They're not the only company to make expensive screwdrivers.

You clearly have no grasp of how much it actually costs to bring products to market, especially in small batches.

Perhaps you should educate yourself a little more before spouting disinformation.

I think it was a tongue in cheek jab at Linus, because that is exactly what he said about the 700$ gpu waterblock, about how that was a stupid product that noone in their right mind should buy, meanwhile he sells the same kind of luxury items and has built PC-s before with same kind of luxury cases, waterblocks etc, drives a luxury car etc.

If you were a true fan you should have stopped watching when they moved to the new building lol.

But yeah, everyone has or had personal reasons for watching their content, these kinds of "I watched, now i dont" posts have been on this forum every single year, even I have made one after they made a big oopsie woopsie a few years ago. Linus has always been that arrogant man he still is, nothing changes, he just generates controversies every couple of years.

3 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

Yes it will, and might even use more because there won't be a connection to the driver telling it to idle.

You'll need to use a meter plug to check, not much you can assume.

Okay, I did it, connected both of my monitors to the Intel IGPU, it is even nicer than i thought, both monitors still have adaptive sync, my main monitor is still 4k 144hz, and the RTX 3090 is sitting at a stable 9w of power usage. So I won't disable the RTX 3090 in device manager, as 9w is good enough, and as you say, it can cause different issues, thanks.

Yes, seems that way, get it repaired/replaced.

You connect them to the motherboard fan connectors, either 3pin if you have those, but you can also connect them to the 4pin fan connectors, most motherboards allow you to choose between PWM and DC fan control modes, so just set those headers to DC mode.

This here is pure speculation, buty

1 minute ago, Cossack1000 said:

Thank you. That could've absolutely screwed me over.

yeah, seems like you bought an RGB AIO right? So the other wire on each fan is for the RGB lights, not the fan itself.

So i am in europe, so want to save as much power as possible. The RTX 3090 fluctuates between 30-100w just to show the desktop, which is not very cashmoney.

I have an i5 13500 cpu, and the I-GPU on it is really decent.

So If I connect both my monitors to the Igpu and disable the 3090 in device manager, nothing should be able to use the GPU, meaning it should be in deep sleep right, using far less than 30w right?

Games and professional programs still allow me to choose the rtx 3090, even thought it has no direct connection to the monitor 

(windows 11), so that shouldn't be an issue.

What do you mean by GPU ID? Task manager also doesnt show it.

If you go to device manager, display adapters, right click, and then go to details it has a ton of different ID's, one of those should maybe be what you are looking for.

For example:

or

There is at least 5 differnt ID's more, so just look through all the properties.

Completely fine, your clocks are staying at the max all core boost of 4225mhz, so the cpu isn't throttling, it is extracting every last bit of performance out of itself it can.

The 5800x3D is really hard to cool because the cpu cores don't touch the heatspreader, they are covered by the layer of cache, and silicon really doesn't transfer heat very well.

You can undervolt it and will be fine.

My cpu behaved exactly the same with stock bios settings, but my asus x470 board allowed for negative (-) voltage offset, so running it at - 0.05V the temps are only 82c in cinebench, but clock are the same.

But even if you dont underclock that cpu is designed to run like that for years, so really no worries. You can also lower the fans speeds because they arent the reason the cpu temp is that high.