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I just got through doing a i9 10900kf build. It is a budget build compered to my i9 10900k build. I went with a Z490 to avoid compatibility issues. CPU: Intel i9 10900kf Motherboard: Z490 AORUS Master (I like the Hero XII I used in the i9 10900k build better but they cost more now.) RAM: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32GB DDR4 4000 (I only use 4000 ram on the i9s since it is the only Intel CPU that shows real a gain using it. It was $100 less than it was for my i9 10900k build last October. If it had cost as much I would have gotten 3600 ram.) GPU: MSI Gaming X Trio 3080 ti (With the i9 10900kf it does the same frames as the 3090 version I have with the i9 10900k. With my other CPUs it does less) PSU: EVGA 1000 G+ Case: Lian Li O11 Dynamic (to keep the 3080 ti cool) Cooler: SilverStone PF360-ARGB AIO (I use this one because it is quiter than an EK or EVGA) SSD#1: Crucial P1 1TB SSD#2: Crucial MX500 2.5" 2TB I tried a DRP 4 before the 360 AIO but it could not keep the temperature below 70c while gaming. I wanted to use TVB and that needs temps to be below 70c.

My advice is get a Z board. My i7 8086k are 5ghz 6 cores and run about the same as a 10600k. With GTX 1080 ti they were fine stock feeding the GPU but when they got RTX 2080 tis they needed to have 5ghz plus all core overclocks to not leave lots of GPU performance unused. So if you get a Z board you will be fine for a GPU upgrade later on. Without it you will be in the same boat again.

I like 1600 vertical pixels and dislike 1440 and 1080 pixels so I get it. My favorite non 4k monitor is my 38" 2840 X 1600 ultrawide. The text looks as good as 4k. Viewing distance is meaningless to me since I think focusing distance is more important. For me to use any laptop or a monitor 32" or less I have to use prescription eye glasses and it has been that way since the 80s. So I am using a 4k 120hz TVs at 36" away. I don't need to wear glasses at that distance and the text looks sharper than my 1440p monitors. It started as an experiment since there was more negative then positive info out there but I was buying the TVs to upgrade the old 1080p TVs I had in the bedrooms so if it failed they would go on a wall. It was a big success. I got my first 1080i TV in 2005 but going by screenshots I only started using 1080p monitors in 2010. By 2015 I was using 4k and 3440 X 1440 for gaming. In 2017 I bought a 32" 1440p 144hz Ge-sync monitor to see what the fuss was about and made the mistake of putting it right beside my 32" 4k monitor. It looked terrible. I also realized I did not play anything that really benefits from high refresh rates. So I gave the monitor to my Son. This year I upgraded my 20 series GPUs to 30 series cards so my TVs have gone from 60hz 4k to 120hz 4k but I am still not playing anything that benefits from it. It does look cooler when I type it in though.

If you are using HDMI it could be the cable. I have had to replace 2 out of 3 cables that worked fine with 20 series cards. Also look up RTX 30 series black screen bug. Usually fixed with a bios update.

Even with older GPUs you can still do 1440p and 1080p. It looks better than my LG 32" 1440p monitor. Use https://www.rtings.com/ for response times.

Why not 120hz. The 3090 has HDMI 2.1 so 4k 120hz. All my TVs are 4k 120hz, Ge-sync compatible and there are 65" versions of them. For gaming and streaming the LG BX model is fine. If you are into 4K Blu-Ray the CX may be better. I can't tell the difference in the show room. I use a Nanocell 85 as well and it is a better monitor than it is a TV and now it is the NanoCell 90 in 2021. I use 2 for gaming but if I had young kids I would give them a pass. They may not remember to switch it off. I burnt one in doing what we are doing now. That is why I bought the Nanocell. I am not much of an adult.

It idles at 41c At stock the fans on the EVGA XC3 Ultra don't come on until the GPU hits 62c and switch off at 50c so after a game or bench it takes forever for it to get back to idle. By contrast my ASUS ROG Strix 3080 OCs fan come on as soon as I start a bench and stay on until the GPU hits 30c. So below idle. RDR 2 at 4k 77c SOTTR at 1080p 75c It is in the 80s without it.

I use Autonomous Standing Desk/tables. They are great if you don't want to sit all the time. They are also perfect for studio work since they are another thing that can be adjusted. I even use one for computer builds since it saves my back the stress of bending over. https://www.autonomous.ai/

They won't, but without it I don't think they will be beating AMD in Ashes of the Singularity by much. For CPU upgrades I go by feeding the GPU and since I am a 4k gamer I am in good shape for now. So even with 3080 tis it will be at least another generation of GPUs before I need to start worrying about CPUs. At 1440p the need for faster CPUs is now and for 1080p and silly fast monitors the time has past.

I think it needs it to utilize its features. The two types of cores thing. If the next AMD CPU is Windows 10 friendly. I will go that route. I built my 5800x system just to test it and it has been good even though it does not play as well with Microsoft and Nvidia as my i9s do.

Time will tell. I just built a i9 10900kf. I did it because Alder Lake will need Windows 11 and other than a test rig I am not putting it into one of my gaming rigs. With Windows 10 it took about 2 years for them to fix the vram issue on 32bit games and it only got fixed because a Windows developer visited a forum. So for me there is a better chance that I will upgrade my 5800x to a 5950x than build an Alder Lake rig.

I use a 360mm AIO on my 5800x but it would do just as well with a 280mm AIO. Mine idles in the low 30s and I have it so when it peaks it does not set the fans off. I have tested 2 AIOs with the 5800x and it is noisier than my Intel builds. I have not heard of software that can do that but as a pump gets old and the water evaporates temperatures will rise. So do the build and record the temps. Use Cinebench R20 or any other app that will get all your cores working and do the test every couple of months. That is what I do. No, and it is a pain. I have 3 flash drives and only one worked. The last one. If the board is DOA or does not like the drive there is no way to tell. The ASUS Hero Dark comes with the bios already flashed and I would have bought one if it was not on back order everywhere at the time. Now there may be more boards that are updated so check reviews. I use big air coolers for most of my builds and use cases with 200mm fans in front. These are both quit and cool. I only use be quiet Dark Rock Pro 4s or a Noctua nh-d15s. The Noctua's have no ram issues but the DRP 4 does. I leaned this the hard way. Case hight is an issue though. All my 2020/2021 cases only fit one fan on a Noctua nh-d15s so far. They are also good at moving air across the GPUs backplate so my i9 9900k with an ASUS ROG Strix OC 3080 stays cooler than the GPUs I have with CPU AIOs. No. Interesting choice for fans. My last build got Silverstone fans since they are cheap, quiet, have RGB and move lots of air. I don't like ASUS budget boards since I have always had issues with them. I will only buy a Hero from them. Look at MSI and Aorus before you buy.

Test the parts as soon as you get them so you can return them if they are faulty and not use a warranty. Half the computers I have build recently have had defective parts and it is usually the motherboard. With my last build all the parts were tested on a computer I built in 2018 and when I got the motherboard I tested it all again before putting it onto a case. Fortunately everything worked perfectly.

It is not about that. It is were you are in life and how you got there. I am a retired freelance 3D artist. That means I made all my money using my computers. I have always had lots of computers or parts to build them. Half the computers/parts I own now were bought when I was still a business. I have paid off the mortgage where I live. That equals to about $2000 more disposable income a month. No rent, not mortgage = freedom to me.

I have more than 3 PCs. I have 3 120hhz TVs in the house and each has a PC with a 30 series card connected to it. 5800x/3080 ti i9 10900kf/3080 ti i9 9900k/3080 I have my bench test computer that is an i7 8086k/2080 ti. It is now going into a sound/video setup used by my Son when he is in town. He also uses my i9 10900k/3090 computer for video editing. I have my i7 8700k/1080 ti and my i7 6700k/1080 computer that were loaned out as "work at home computers". Before the pandemic they were old parts in boxes. So 7 computers. It was 8 a few days ago but I gave my other i7 8086k/2080 it computer to my son to use at home. He lives about 200 miles north of me. I bought my first D-15 for a i7 6700k. It ran hot and throttled all the time with an Intel cooler. Later I found that the motherboard was causing the heat issues when I replaced it. That computer now uses a Noctua NH-U14S. My i7 6700k computer was my first 4k rig and it used 2x 980 tis in SLI. It could do games like Witcher 3 at 4k high setting with most frames over 60. It was replaced by a i7 8086k in 2018. It was not up to feeding a 2080 ti but did fine with a 1080 ti.

All my computers that use NH-D15s have low idle temps and are quiter than my AIOs. I have a i7 8080k on one with an 5.1ghz overclock. It has been running like that since 2018. My i9 9900k is on one and it was overclocked on all cores to 5ghz for 2 years with low idle temps and low noise. Next time I have to open up my 5800x computer it will get a NH-d15 since it is too noisy with a 360mm AIO. I use it as a gaming computer now but it needs to be a spare for a computer in a sound studio as well. It is a zero down time thing.

The Porche analogy doesn't really work. I have EK products and they are ok but they are not luxury items. Instead of critiquing my contribution why don't you recommend the EK to the OP. This is what I drive and it does not take regular fuel either.

I did it with a single GTX 980 ti, GTX 1080 and GTX 1080 ti. I had GTX 1080 tis in SLI with the i9 9900k that I am using now as well and only dropped it when it got the RTX 2080 ti. On games that did not like SLI it was off. I have an issue with the video because CPUs with more cache wins. How many 4 core CPUs have high cache counts? The i7 7700k had 8mbs as well and the Ryzens have less. Why were the Ryzen 4 cores not shown as well? Going from a i7 6700k to a i7 8700k was not a big jump in frames at 1440p and 4k. It was a big jump in emersion. If the i7 6700k had a large cache it probably would perform better but in tests it was Windows and background apps that were mainly causing the drops. My experience has been more that of the Tech Deals videos when it comes to cores. He thinks the 5900x is ideal. I did give the video a thumbs up since I loved my i9 10900k and after giving it to my Son for video work I missed it so much I built another one with an i9 10900kf.

I like the EVGA hybrid setup but not for the 3090 since it does not do anything for the back of the card. A setup that has a water cooled backplate as well would do the trick. Bykski makes one for your card. I have a MSI Gaming X Trio 3090 that is in my production only computer that uses a CM H500M case. All I had to do was have enough airflow across the back plate to carry the heat away so the ram hits 90c but never above. It runs cool enough so I will be leaving it alone. Both of my 3080 tis have been a pain as well to cool even without ram on the back. The best solution so far has been from a lian li o11 dynamic case setup so that all the fans above the GPU are exhaust and the intakes are all below the GPU so lots of air moves past the GPU. Nvidia and the board partners need to rethink their cooling solutions for these cards since the same old thing is not working.

The only games that I target 60fps are old Bethesda games. All frames are over 60 with my setups now unless I use raytracing at 4k. When I bought the i7 6700k in 2016 I did target 60fps at 4k with GTX 980 ti in SLI. The 4 core had drops in games that did not exist when I upgraded to an i7 8086k. The drops were in the 40s so not as severe as the ones I got with the i7 2600k that were in the 30s but I still felt them. Going to 6 cores was a big jump in emersion in games and 8 cores is so good that I can't play on a 6 core anymore.

I am not a fan of that video. I recently got back my i7 6700k/1080 rig that was loaned out as a "work at home computer" and it is rough in games compared to a 6 core. The 6 core feels rough compared to an 8 core. Just running a bench won't do it. You have to have your hands on the mouse and keyboard to feel the difference. AC:Valhalla is just strange. It is the only game that my Intel 6 core beats my Intel 10 core and it hates my 5800x since it scores lower than both. As even HUB say in some videos. It is not all about the frames.

It is from an old saying used when selling horses "it can even make coffee". I think they should go for the "Sword Art Online" experience. I would be more into that since waving my arms around in VR is getting old.

I have a ASUS Rog Strix 3080 and it is the coolest 30 series card I own. With my stock i9 9900k it does 87fps in Shadow of the Tomb Raider with the highest preset. My EVGA XC3 Ultra 3080 ti only does the bench in 91fps with a 5800x so there is not much between the high end 3080 and a low end 3080 ti at 4k. Horizon Zero Dawn at 4k ultra is: ROG Strix 3080 OC 80fps EVGA XC3 Ultra 83fps Both my MSI Gaming X Trio 3090 and 3080 ti do the 4k bench at 89fps but they both use Intel 10 core CPUs. I also have a heavily moded Skyrim and Fallout 4 and all frames are over 60 at 4k even with ENB and Reshade with over 250 mods installed on all my 30 series cards. As for vram. I had no issues in the 10.5gb test I did with the 3080 but a budget 3080 ti may be better in the future. The EVGA XC3 Ultra was only $50 US more than the ROG Strix 3080 OC.

I have both. If you are not into overclocking it does not matter. My EVGA XC3 Ultra 3080 ti is a 2x 8 pin and it does the frames I need. My MSI Gaming X Trio 3080 ti is a 3x 8 pin and is a bit quicker but the few extra fames don't change the game play. Neither card really have the power for serious overclocking. For that I recommend the ASUS ROG Strix OC 3080 ti. Since it is $800 more than the EVGA XC3 Ultra I will pass.