Blademaster91

If you think the manner in which Steve makes videos means he's jealous then you clearly don't watch any of Steve's videos. Him being a bit snarky or sarcastic is just how he makes video, its dry humor at times.
Also saying "other tech channels" doesn't mean anything really, if he is hinting at LMG, then its because of the inaccuracies in videos, which do deserve to be pointed out.
It seems like you have concerns with GN because you don't like how he makes videos, he isn't to blame for the facts he brings up in both videos.
Also Linus is deflecting, he shifted the blame to GN in a very corporate sounding way rather than just taking the accountability for it,Linus has the reputation for not wanting to accept any blame.
 
As for the Billet labs mistake, LMG didn't pay Billet labs until GN published their video, LMG screwed up and sent the email to the wrong address, and while the intention may not have been malicious the intent seems that way because Linus says they didn't sell it they auctioned it as if that made it any less of a mistake, and the email said "it wasn't sitting on the shelf" which does imply they didn't intend on sending it back.
The block being sold for charity doesn't make it any better either when it shouldn't have been sold in the first place because the Billet labs block was a one off prototype that could have ended up in the hands of a competing company.
Also Billet labs said LMG could keep it if they did more videos on it, then Linus said it was crap and refused to test it again claiming it was too expensive to retest it, but doesn't have any problem with reviewing other expensive hardware when sponsorship money is involved.  People have pointed out the facts with the Billet labs mistake, but people keep blaming GN for it even though GN isn't to blame for anything here.

Claiming Steve only made the video as a "hit piece" or that he "acts as if the'yre anointed by god" is complete nonsense.
The reasons are very obvious why Steve didn't want to have to make the video but it is well justified as he reported on things out in the open in videos, when someone can point out mistakes being made for a long time then the call out needs to be done.
If you don't like the style in how Steve does videos thats fine but attacking GN in order to defend Linus and LMG is wrong in my opinion.
All of the companies that Steve has called out for anti-consumer things were right of them to do, these companies are selling things to the consumer that are a fire hazard, or can ruin a CPU then deny warranty or even admit they did anything wrong.
I'd like to see more tech youtubers call out companies for bullshit, but many of them don't want to risk upsetting sponsors, or care more about the money as LMG clearly does, and more about the money than getting basic testing in a review right.
 
The thing with the PCI-e riser is that the paint could be easily scratched off by installing and  removing it just a few times, and the company admitted it was an issue and tried to fix it, before anyone buying it risked ruining their PC or worse setting their house on fire.
 
As for the PSU, those were also dangerous and should've been fully recalled by Newegg, Newegg as a company has also been going downhill with terrible support and allowing marketplace sellers to sell junk so buyers have to be careful when buying that an item comes from a reputable seller or directly from Newegg.
And as for the Asus motherboard issue, Asus chose to put that disclaimer in a BIOS when the BIOS was causing the motherboard to break the CPU, no other manufacturer was denying warranty even if others had the same problem.
Also for the whole Billet labs issue, that is on LMG, they sold it, then claimed it was fine because "at least it wasn't sitting on a shelf" then Linus said it wasn't sold it was auctioned, it being for charity also makes it worse as the charity is involved in the probelm.
 
And no the whole issue is on LMG to improve, GN only brought up the mistakes LMG has been for years now, GN tried to contact them with the "trust me bro" issue but Linus ignored them and took it personally instead something they need to resolve as a company. Steve decided to treat LMG like every other company he's done a video on after that and I think that is justified when Linus takes everything personally instead of admitting they made a mistake.

Except he's not wrong, them saying they could keep it doesn't mean they have a right to sell it, knowing it was a prototype.  At the very least its common courtesy to ask if its okay to do so if you no longer want to keep it.
 
The fact they asked for it back once it was clear LTT weren't going to test it properly is relevant, they had every right to do so and at that point it WAS stolen.  The fact the events were not quite as clear cut doesn't make what Steve said any less true.
 
An auction is still a sale, selling something doesn't automatically mean you profited from it.

Look guys, i know it's hard to accept that your favorite youtuber took the wrong path, but it's not the first time this has happened and it won't be the last. No one is immune to that. As i said earlier, i've been following Linus for over 13 years. I started following GN 5-6 years ago when LTT quality started to drop drastically. It sucks, it feels bad i know, but there are no 2 ways of going about it - LTT changed for worse when they grew so much. Aside from the Billet drama, everything else that Steve pointed was spot on and was one of those hard to swallow pills. Even during the WAN you can eventually see the changed. more arrogant Linus. He may not realize it fully yet, but the success did change him. As someone pointed this out a couple of hundred of pages ago, they used to YOLO the videos, which was the charm of the channel and certainly isn't the case anymore. OG Linus would never go "let's not spend more time testing this product, because there might've been some testing mistake; just roll out the results". He would test for a few weeks if needed. 
Now that they are so big, they have the unique chance to be the actual voice of the people. They should take off the silk gauntlet they've been petting all the big companies with and put on the hardcore brass knuckles. Ask your audience constantly via polls what they wanna see, how they feel about the products, what the thing they look for the most. It's a really stupid idea to defend Nvidia for their RTX 4000 series, saying they bring major performance gain once you enabled DLSS, when 90% of uss are screaming we don't care about DLSS and we want fair prices, because a 50 class GPU rebranded as a 60 class for $400 is bordering with idiocy. Be the voice of the people and convey the message straight - "Nvidia, aside from the RTX 4090, all of your RTX 4000 series GPUs suck for the prices you ask for them. People don't want that kind of upgrade". Brutal honesty and hard slamming down are the only language big companies understand. Including LMG.

Ye blaming GN for making the vid is pure:

Whether its from his personal income doesn't matter, its a problem of being impartial because he has a interest in it, LMG has plenty of other talent and I think it would be better if Linus isn't doing laptop reviews because of the inherent bias towards Framework.
I like Framework as a company, but not the conflict of interest with putting a stake in Framework and still reviewing other brands of laptops objectively.
The WAN show is a podcast, not a main LTT channel video, my point was not everyone is going to sit through a podcast or even watch the WAN show. I used to enjoy the WAN show when it was Linus and Luke discussing the news, now its more of Linus going on rants that Luke at times doesn't agree with, and I side with Luke as what he says is much more well thought out.
As I said Steve has tried to talk with LMG, its always brushed away as not being an issue. Steve didn't get anything wrong on Billet labs, Billet labs didn't give him all of the info, and it depends if you really trust how LTT and Linus discussed the timeline on what happened. I am skeptical on LMG's side as they were supposed to return the block, but didn't then sold it and joked about how it wasn't sitting on a shelf which seems like ill-intent to me.
I don't know of any other youtubers that have admitted they can completely change a video without taking down the inital video and uploading a new one. Also apparently since LMG can do that it makes no sense why they don't just makes corrections in the video.
Criticizing me of being biased of GN is hyperbole, as I'm just pointing out what happened, I'm not going to attack GN when they aren't to blame for any of this.
Also LMG completely avoiding anker when it was eufy then saying all anker products are bad was going too overboard in my opinion. I think anker products are decent, all they had to say was eufy was garbage.
As for Asus, the conflict of interest is there too, theres several times he went too easy on Asus, Intel and Nvidia. Another example is Linus said he was going to switch to an AMD graphics card, but hasn't done any updates on it.
 

If you think the manner in which Steve makes videos means he's jealous then you clearly don't watch any of Steve's videos. Him being a bit snarky or sarcastic is just how he makes video, its dry humor at times.
Also saying "other tech channels" doesn't mean anything really, if he is hinting at LMG, then its because of the inaccuracies in videos, which do deserve to be pointed out.
It seems like you have concerns with GN because you don't like how he makes videos, he isn't to blame for the facts he brings up in both videos.
Also Linus is deflecting, he shifted the blame to GN in a very corporate sounding way rather than just taking the accountability for it,Linus has the reputation for not wanting to accept any blame.
 
As for the Billet labs mistake, LMG didn't pay Billet labs until GN published their video, LMG screwed up and sent the email to the wrong address, and while the intention may not have been malicious the intent seems that way because Linus says they didn't sell it they auctioned it as if that made it any less of a mistake, and the email said "it wasn't sitting on the shelf" which does imply they didn't intend on sending it back.
The block being sold for charity doesn't make it any better either when it shouldn't have been sold in the first place because the Billet labs block was a one off prototype that could have ended up in the hands of a competing company.
Also Billet labs said LMG could keep it if they did more videos on it, then Linus said it was crap and refused to test it again claiming it was too expensive to retest it, but doesn't have any problem with reviewing other expensive hardware when sponsorship money is involved.  People have pointed out the facts with the Billet labs mistake, but people keep blaming GN for it even though GN isn't to blame for anything here.

If you think the manner in which Steve makes videos means he's jealous then you clearly don't watch any of Steve's videos. Him being a bit snarky or sarcastic is just how he makes video, its dry humor at times.
Also saying "other tech channels" doesn't mean anything really, if he is hinting at LMG, then its because of the inaccuracies in videos, which do deserve to be pointed out.
It seems like you have concerns with GN because you don't like how he makes videos, he isn't to blame for the facts he brings up in both videos.
Also Linus is deflecting, he shifted the blame to GN in a very corporate sounding way rather than just taking the accountability for it,Linus has the reputation for not wanting to accept any blame.
 
As for the Billet labs mistake, LMG didn't pay Billet labs until GN published their video, LMG screwed up and sent the email to the wrong address, and while the intention may not have been malicious the intent seems that way because Linus says they didn't sell it they auctioned it as if that made it any less of a mistake, and the email said "it wasn't sitting on the shelf" which does imply they didn't intend on sending it back.
The block being sold for charity doesn't make it any better either when it shouldn't have been sold in the first place because the Billet labs block was a one off prototype that could have ended up in the hands of a competing company.
Also Billet labs said LMG could keep it if they did more videos on it, then Linus said it was crap and refused to test it again claiming it was too expensive to retest it, but doesn't have any problem with reviewing other expensive hardware when sponsorship money is involved.  People have pointed out the facts with the Billet labs mistake, but people keep blaming GN for it even though GN isn't to blame for anything here.

so why were their regularly jabs against GN or Hardware Unboxed, if they would be so great?
I mean... it is in video evidence that they shat on those two, to emphasize their super Lab....

I'm not sure what you mean, LMG is going to be fine, his fans will forget about this and keep watching, they forgot about the whole bad "adblock users are pirates" take, the "trust me bro"  warranty with Linus doubling down on it then acting upset like how dare people not trust him and their backpack sold out anyway despite being $250.
I've seen plenty of comments of people excusing all the inaccuracies being fine as they like LMG content for entertainment, so GN is the one at risk for taking the hit even though the videos are necessary.
I dobut Steve would want a promotional sponsorship from a company like Asus, those sort of sponsorships mean having to constantly use the brand of products which causes conflict with benchmark testing accuracy,  and not being able to be impartial to the brand even with product issues.
For the people that actually watch GN's videos he often buys products for review, or doesn't care if the company decides to not send him product samples because the review wasn't glaringly positive.

1. GN had reasons for not contacting LMG, he has tried to contact LMG in the past over things they got wrong or things that needed to be addressed, Linus ignored them, so Steve understandably didn't want to contact them.
2. GN making a video didn't cause Linus to make an emotional response, that is Linus's problem.
3. If the reason LMG are getting consistent inaccuracies in their videos is because of restructuring, then they need to slow down on video production, restructuring in the company and still rushing out videos every day doesn't excuse the kind of errors they're making.
4. GN reported on things they've been getting wrong for a long time, people on the forum have been asking for LMG to improve for years now. There is no cancel culture here, the only ones I've been seeing trying to "cancel" anyone are the angry Linus fans trying to attack GN.
5. I've seen both of the GN videos, can you point out where GN admits they manipulated facts that were already public information in their videos?
6. GN contacting LMG wouldn't have made any difference as LMG decided to deflect away from admitting they messed up.
Those aren't facts, those are twisting things to attack GN, when GN was simply the messenger here.

What is happening lmao
 
What is this idea what GN owes any million dollar company a heads up before reporting anything?? 
 
What is this "I don't agree with how GN reported blah blah??" At what point did GN report something that was left up for conjecture?? He reported facts, immediately backed up with evidence... Like... Who cares if you disagree.. What does that even mean in this context?? 🤣
 
Stop giving LMG special treatment here lol they will fix this or go irrelevant.
 
It's like some people expected GN to just throw on screen text in comic sans saying "LTT did a boo boo." Lmao 

do you think GN did fear the LTT labs?  😂

This, I've been sick of LMG's shit for a while, every time they make an easily avoided screw up, Linus can't separate his personal feelings from business issues and goes on emotional rants and his super fans rush to defend him.
He either needs to step back and let other people at LMG better represent the company or just take a break.
I'm so sick of this, the super fans defending LMG for making consistent mistakes in the LTT video threads was annoying enough, with all the devout fans over this it feels like reddit with all the echo chamber deflecting the blame at GN.

This, I've been sick of LMG's shit for a while, every time they make an easily avoided screw up, Linus can't separate his personal feelings from business issues and goes on emotional rants and his super fans rush to defend him.
He either needs to step back and let other people at LMG better represent the company or just take a break.
I'm so sick of this, the super fans defending LMG for making consistent mistakes in the LTT video threads was annoying enough, with all the devout fans over this it feels like reddit with all the echo chamber deflecting the blame at GN.

Rent a new car. Subscription services are all the rage right? Might as well do it for the entire car!

This, I've been sick of LMG's shit for a while, every time they make an easily avoided screw up, Linus can't separate his personal feelings from business issues and goes on emotional rants and his super fans rush to defend him.
He either needs to step back and let other people at LMG better represent the company or just take a break.
I'm so sick of this, the super fans defending LMG for making consistent mistakes in the LTT video threads was annoying enough, with all the devout fans over this it feels like reddit with all the echo chamber deflecting the blame at GN.

If you think GN did anything wrong, you either don't watch GN or are being a contrarian just to be one. 
 
GN pointed out facts in a professional manner, like he does. He responded to the terrible response Linus had in a civil manner. The million dollar company doesn't get a pass on mistakes because it's owner "tires." They made mistakes, they were pointed out and then the owner made a terrible response to them. How that falls back on the person just reporting serious errors is coping at it's finest. 
 
Keep watching and supporting LTT if you want. I honestly think doomers take this a bit far as well. Linus isn't stupid, LMG will most likely fix these issues, but the whole blame game is just stupid. 

You guys are fucked.
 
GN did nothing wrong.
 
Everyone is sick of LMGs shit.
 
Except for the super fans lol.

This, I've been sick of LMG's shit for a while, every time they make an easily avoided screw up, Linus can't separate his personal feelings from business issues and goes on emotional rants and his super fans rush to defend him.
He either needs to step back and let other people at LMG better represent the company or just take a break.
I'm so sick of this, the super fans defending LMG for making consistent mistakes in the LTT video threads was annoying enough, with all the devout fans over this it feels like reddit with all the echo chamber deflecting the blame at GN.

This, I've been sick of LMG's shit for a while, every time they make an easily avoided screw up, Linus can't separate his personal feelings from business issues and goes on emotional rants and his super fans rush to defend him.
He either needs to step back and let other people at LMG better represent the company or just take a break.
I'm so sick of this, the super fans defending LMG for making consistent mistakes in the LTT video threads was annoying enough, with all the devout fans over this it feels like reddit with all the echo chamber deflecting the blame at GN.

They are not in the same league when we are talking about raw numbers. 
When it comes to tech journalism and properly testing things, GN is miles ahead of LMG. 

And that is exactly why it's important to hold LMG to higher standards, because of their size and reach. 

1. GN had reasons for not contacting LMG, he has tried to contact LMG in the past over things they got wrong or things that needed to be addressed, Linus ignored them, so Steve understandably didn't want to contact them.
2. GN making a video didn't cause Linus to make an emotional response, that is Linus's problem.
3. If the reason LMG are getting consistent inaccuracies in their videos is because of restructuring, then they need to slow down on video production, restructuring in the company and still rushing out videos every day doesn't excuse the kind of errors they're making.
4. GN reported on things they've been getting wrong for a long time, people on the forum have been asking for LMG to improve for years now. There is no cancel culture here, the only ones I've been seeing trying to "cancel" anyone are the angry Linus fans trying to attack GN.
5. I've seen both of the GN videos, can you point out where GN admits they manipulated facts that were already public information in their videos?
6. GN contacting LMG wouldn't have made any difference as LMG decided to deflect away from admitting they messed up.
Those aren't facts, those are twisting things to attack GN, when GN was simply the messenger here.

Actually no, inaccurate testing and misrepresenting products have been complained about in comments of LMG videos for some time now.
 
Of course the whole Billet Labs thing SOUNDS worse when you use words like THEFT or STEAL but there was definitely some misunderstanding involved.
 
As for Steve not knowing all the facts - Ya you are right he didn't, but its also not his fault:
 
A.) LMG would have ignored Steve or said its none of his business as they have been every other time he has reached over the past 2 years and so as a result...
 
B.) He never would have gotten the full story to begin with. Both Billet and Linus Omitted details - so how the hell is Steve supposed to be 100% accurate when he can't gain access to 100% of the information?
 
The video's public release is what got the truth to finally come out so it still would have been the exact same situation had GN reached out anyways unless he specifically used a thread - "Im gonna go public if LMG boes not tell me the truth" - Which hell no, Steve would NEVER be that guy.
 
Steve would still have only gotten some information from Billet Labs themselves and we now know that they lied about it to attack LMG for some reason so basically there was only one way for this situation to go down.
 
Steve makes mistakes like anyone else like how he kinda fumbled around a bit in the second video regarding Linus's 5-Year-Old response because he was in such shock and awe he couldn't keep it together.
 
However, despite that human error - Going Public was still the best move. Nothing would have changed otherwise because LMG would have continued to ignore criticism and would have continued to slowly destroy their own reputation.
 
Unfortunately you are correct about the Madison situation - it simply adds to the Chaos and despite the fact the entire thing is BS and LMG technically doing nothing wrong in this situation, people are absolute Hyenas these days with drama and scavenge every little bit they can.
 
This kind of crap is why I hate drama and hate the human race in general these days. What has happened to us? Everyone these days seems to be a complete ass hole, nobody shows respect or care for their fellow man anymore, and every single little thing is all about money anymore - even family matters.
 
Well, predictions from environmental scientists are starting to emerge that we are going to kill Planet Earth and ourselves before we can escape to Mars and well if it happens - I guess thats just Karma now isn't it?

Claiming Steve only made the video as a "hit piece" or that he "acts as if the'yre anointed by god" is complete nonsense.
The reasons are very obvious why Steve didn't want to have to make the video but it is well justified as he reported on things out in the open in videos, when someone can point out mistakes being made for a long time then the call out needs to be done.
If you don't like the style in how Steve does videos thats fine but attacking GN in order to defend Linus and LMG is wrong in my opinion.
All of the companies that Steve has called out for anti-consumer things were right of them to do, these companies are selling things to the consumer that are a fire hazard, or can ruin a CPU then deny warranty or even admit they did anything wrong.
I'd like to see more tech youtubers call out companies for bullshit, but many of them don't want to risk upsetting sponsors, or care more about the money as LMG clearly does, and more about the money than getting basic testing in a review right.
 
The thing with the PCI-e riser is that the paint could be easily scratched off by installing and  removing it just a few times, and the company admitted it was an issue and tried to fix it, before anyone buying it risked ruining their PC or worse setting their house on fire.
 
As for the PSU, those were also dangerous and should've been fully recalled by Newegg, Newegg as a company has also been going downhill with terrible support and allowing marketplace sellers to sell junk so buyers have to be careful when buying that an item comes from a reputable seller or directly from Newegg.
And as for the Asus motherboard issue, Asus chose to put that disclaimer in a BIOS when the BIOS was causing the motherboard to break the CPU, no other manufacturer was denying warranty even if others had the same problem.
Also for the whole Billet labs issue, that is on LMG, they sold it, then claimed it was fine because "at least it wasn't sitting on a shelf" then Linus said it wasn't sold it was auctioned, it being for charity also makes it worse as the charity is involved in the probelm.
 
And no the whole issue is on LMG to improve, GN only brought up the mistakes LMG has been for years now, GN tried to contact them with the "trust me bro" issue but Linus ignored them and took it personally instead something they need to resolve as a company. Steve decided to treat LMG like every other company he's done a video on after that and I think that is justified when Linus takes everything personally instead of admitting they made a mistake.