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Not really a repost if it's in a different thread. Plus the OP is actually far more detailed and substantive than just a link which is all what's in the other post.

Where is the other tost ?

Not really a repost if it's in a different thread. Plus the OP is actually far more detailed and substantive than just a link which is all what's in the other post.

Yeah true. Nice to see consumers making the logical decision

Makes sense. You see it in every thread, almost everyone will recommend a 280/x/380 over a 960 and a 290/x/390 over a 970.

Not really a repost if it's in a different thread. Plus the OP is actually far more detailed and substantive than just a link which is all what's in the other post.

That just reminded me how huge Gigabyte cards are  :lol:
 
Oh and +1 to Roy 

AMD is so awesome.

This NEVER happened, look up what Nvidia is suing Samsung and Qualcomm over. They don't want them to make and graphics processors at all, because Nvidia claims it exclusively owns the rights to make graphics processing units. I'm not even making this up, please look it up.

There is going to be a court case. That is all that has been decided. No one has won anything. NVidia gets to sue on their definitions, which is not uncommon.
 
Not only does NVidia have the most hostile consumer strategies, in the gpu business, with their proprietary closed eco systems, resulting in low technology adoption, fewer product options and higher pricing (due to vendor lock in and the subsequent high switching cost).
 
If NVidia wins these court cases, both Samsung and Qualcomm will either be forced to stop making gpu's for mobile phones (a market with 0 market share from NVidia), or they will have to pay royalties/licensing. Either way, consumers lose.
 
I really do not understand, why anyone, who is NOT an NVidia shareholder, would hope for NVidia to win this.
 
Also bear in mind, that this entire case started with NVidia's BS patent trolling Kepler licensing strategy, trying to force itself on the entire ARM eco system. With a monumental 0 companies buying their BS, NVidia has now gone nuclear on the ARM eco systems: http://semiaccurate.com/2015/01/20/two-new-twists-nvidia-patent-trolling-kepler-license-scheme/
 
Ironically NVidia licenses IP from ARM, which is the only reason they didn't sue ARM. It makes sense, but considering that Samsung and Qualcomm is being sued for their own ARM based designs, this is essentially an attack by proxy on ARM as well.
 
This is a patent war between NVidia and ARM, not NVidia and Samsung per se.

You have to understand that patents merely protect your implementation of an idea not the idea itself. Nvidia is claiming that if any company builds any sort of logic that processes graphics then its infringing on its patent, because it "invented the GPU".
 
That's absolutely ridiculous in that case I'll just patent the use of human beings as employees in companies and then sue every company in the world.  I'm sorry but if you don't see through this then you're jaded beyond reason.

This topic is horribly misleading. Samsung AND Qualcomm which is also involved in this did not use any of Nvidia's IP. Nvidia is suing Samsung over fundamental graphics building blocks necessary for any GPU, including AMD's ARM's and Intel's GPUs.  This is the worst kind of patent trolling.

This is from Nvidia's official website !
http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2014/09/04/nvidia-launches-patent-suits/

Nvidia invented NONE of these, these are industry standard fundamental graphics building blocks. They're basically suing Samsung and Qualcomm for building any sort of graphics processor at all ! In fact by this logic AMD can sue Nvidia for the exact same things, since AMD's graphics division which is based on ATi was founded 7 years before Nvidia's inception. That's seven long years of patent filings for fundamental graphics IP. It's like claiming to have patented the letter N in the English language and then suing Samsung and Qualcomm specifically for using it.

There's something deeply disturbing about what Nvidia is doing and people need to know the facts.

The internet was abuzz with news of AMD's latest cryptic Mantle announcement. This led many to believe that AMD was actually killing off the revolutionary API. But Mantle's far from dead, in fact it forms the base of the new industry standard Vulkan API.
 

 

AMD stated :

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It's not even about that. Let me put it this way. You give me the choice of buying two oranges, one is slightly larger than the other. I opt to buy the smaller one because it fits my needs only to realize that it's not even an orange, it's a bitter grapefruit.
Of course my GTX 970 isn't worthless, I never implied it is. Not for 1080p or 1440p at least. But for 4K it is utterly worthless now. I had bought the card in anticipation of a 4K G-Sync monitor upgrade this year along with another 970 to power it. But now Nvidia slaps me in the face and tells me my card is worthless for the purpose I had originally bought it for. I'm sorry but if this isn't infuriating enough, the mere aspect of deception is enough for me to call it quits with this rotten arrangement.
UPDATE : And despite what Faa my lead you to believe I do in fact HAVE an MSI Gaming GTX 970, not that I care what an inconsiderate flame-baiter thinks.

You're delusional if you think I'd indulge you in your fantasy or that I even care what you think.

You're delusional if you think I'd indulge you in your fantasy or that I even care what you think.

What an utterly humiliating prospect for people to defend the ones who deceived them. I'm certainly considering a GTX 970 refund, thankfully this came just in time for me to pick up an R9 380X from the red team.

What do you mean insinuate ? it's just the reality mr moose. The memory issue isn't reflected in FPS in benchmarks but in stutters in frame consistency. Something which is detectable through Nvidia's own FCAT. Something which only came to light when this memory issue was brought into question.
I can't believe I'm attacked because I'm asking for a 4GB card as advertised. 
Nvidia misrepresented their product,  I may not buy from them again, I may take my card back, but don't try to insinuate that this is a non-issue or that AMD does this to the same extent as Nvidia.

I'm sorry but going by your comment you clearly don't "know" AMD. Because if you did you'd know that Intel's core series wouldn't have even existed if it weren't for AMD's K8 kicking Intel's butt in 2003. If it weren't for the Athlon64 Intel would still be on the ridiculous Pentium Netburst architecture it so loved and defended.
And guess what, the CPU architect that designed the only two architectures that beat out Intel on all fronts. Performance, efficiency and price is the same person working on Zen right now.
 

You're delusional if you think I'd indulge you in your fantasy or that I even care what you think.

What do you mean insinuate ? it's just the reality mr moose. The memory issue isn't reflected in FPS in benchmarks but in stutters in frame consistency. Something which is detectable through Nvidia's own FCAT. Something which only came to light when this memory issue was brought into question.
I can't believe I'm attacked because I'm asking for a 4GB card as advertised. 
Nvidia misrepresented their product,  I may not buy from them again, I may take my card back, but don't try to insinuate that this is a non-issue or that AMD does this to the same extent as Nvidia.

What an utterly humiliating prospect for people to defend the ones who deceived them. I'm certainly considering a GTX 970 refund, thankfully this came just in time for me to pick up an R9 380X from the red team.

What an utterly humiliating prospect for people to defend the ones who deceived them. I'm certainly considering a GTX 970 refund, thankfully this came just in time for me to pick up an R9 380X from the red team.

It isn't, and that's my point.

 
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8935/geforce-gtx-970-correcting-the-specs-exploring-memory-allocation/4

What do you mean insinuate ? it's just the reality mr moose. The memory issue isn't reflected in FPS in benchmarks but in stutters in frame consistency. Something which is detectable through Nvidia's own FCAT. Something which only came to light when this memory issue was brought into question.
I can't believe I'm attacked because I'm asking for a 4GB card as advertised. 
Nvidia misrepresented their product,  I may not buy from them again, I may take my card back, but don't try to insinuate that this is a non-issue or that AMD does this to the same extent as Nvidia.