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Best Answer D3MON , 23 September 2013 - 06:45 PM

What cpu should I choose for my new rig? I will use my PC for gaming and general work. 

 

In my country, the 8320 is 80 dollars cheaper than the 4670k and 50 dollars cheaper than the 8350. 

 

The 8320 is the sure pick right? However, I have a few questions: 

 

1) Will my gaming performance suffer(especially with CPU-bound games)? 

2) How high of an overclock would most 8320s reach? (First hand experience would be appreciated) 

sick of the playground fight over the last few pages (and dravic posting reviews of very old drivers doesnt help)

if your ONLY playing games like minecraft, skyrim, world of tanks and other games that are poorly threaded then get the i3, itll be about 10%faster (110fps instead of 100fps)
if your playing those games AND crysis, bf3, bf3, moh warfighter, gta4, gta5 and other mutithreaded games then get the fx8320, because those games use 4 cores (well you can run on 3 and bottleneck on 2) youll get more performance, on each of those games (ommiting gt5) im running around 75% cpu usage give or take...

bearing in mind piledriver is now on par and sometimes surpassing phenom youll have another 2 modules left for recording fraps or streaming at the same time, id pick an 8320 with a decent cooler (hyper 212 evo, be quit dark knight pro, GlacialTech Igloo H58 if itll fit [i really want 1! :(] over an 8350, i dont think theres much if any difference in the binning anymore..

also there is only a small amount of performance to be had from overclocking a cpu (unless your in those poorly threaded games) and practically nothing more to be had over 4.4ghz.
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not much to be gained
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not much to be gained.
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poorly optimised, likes fast speeds.

with those games like skyrim, minecraft etc i wouldnt worry anyway cus those games usually give you 214235 frames a second anyway/
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#21 Dravic

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 04:54 AM

Consider checking this:

 

http://www.overclock...m-info-database

 

Before picking any AM3+ motherboards for 8 core CPU that tries to draw 125w and much more (after OC-ing).


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#22 Dravic

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 04:55 AM

@ Dravic is probably one of the least reliable sources on this entire forum just ignoring him is your best bet

 

I think that Tek Syndicate video is one of the most reliable sources considering it's a video benchmark with few games tested on totally different platforms (even different RAM used for fx and for intel cpus).

 

//sarcasm

 

You are saying i am least reliable source on this forum because i am saying AMD cpus are bad? go check 'reliable' benchmarks.


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#23 Dravic

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 04:58 AM

http://hothardware.c...-Review/?page=8

 

http://www.tomshardw...ew,3328-14.html

 

http://www.anandtech...fx4300-tested/5


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 04:59 AM

I think that Tek Syndicate video is one of the most reliable sources considering it's a video benchmark with few games tested on totally different platforms (even different RAM used for fx and for intel cpus).

 

//sarcasm

 

You are saying i am least reliable source on this forum because i am saying AMD cpus are bad? go check 'reliable' benchmarks.

 

Please check those benchmarks yourself while your at it. There are alot more people out there that back up Logans benches.

 

Fanboying this hard just makes you look like a fool and the single only point that you brought up that was of any relevance in this thread is power draw. Which has also been shown time and time again to not really make an impact to running costs at all. Particularly once you factor in how much cheaper the FX chips are than an i5


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 05:01 AM

lol what? the 8350 is around 50% worse than the 4670k in games?

50 percent? I don't think I have ever seen a benchmark where 4670k is that far ahead? Do you have any sources? If so, please link to it so that I could make a more sensible choice

It seems the ilerminaty has been covering this up the whole time.

Also 8 core optimisations for gaming will not happen... the games will be optimised for 6 cores (consoles only have 6 cores for gaming, 2 more are only for operating system. ALso consider the fact that those cores are 1.6GHz weak amd cores. Intel i5 clocked at around 2GHz would probably smash those 6 cores in CPU performance.

Apparently, you can tell the future.

There was a time when people would say you'd never need more than 40MB of ram. Look at us now.


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 05:02 AM

You are pathetic :s I am sorry but you need to stop fanboying that much. The 8320 is the best option (if you don't mind the extra cash 8350 is even better). Those benchmarks are at 768 and 1050 resolutions and low settings. Also people mentioned that Skyrim is very single-core dependent and why do you even benchmarks windows 8 or 7.. Pls stop making a fool of yourself.



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Posted 02 September 2013 - 05:06 AM

You are pathetic :s I am sorry but you need to stop fanboying that much. The 8320 is the best option (if you don't mind the extra cash 8350 is even better). Those benchmarks are at 768 and 1050 resolutions and low settings. Also people mentioned that Skyrim is very single-core dependent and why do you even benchmarks windows 8 or 7.. Pls stop making a fool of yourself.

 

You need to do your homework mate.

 

Lol. Yes benchmarks at low resolution... because that is how you do CPU benchmarks... lmao guys i understand you may like AMD but if somebody tries to argue me that black is white while being color blind that's just ridiculous.


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 05:13 AM

You need to do your homework mate.

 

Lol. Yes benchmarks at low resolution... because that is how you do CPU benchmarks... lmao guys i understand you may like AMD but if somebody tries to argue me that black is white while being color blind that's just ridiculous.

We are not arguing because we like amd we are doing it because you are either doing one of two things, 1.troll the forum and try to start flame wars on peoples posts or 2. try to make sure nobody ever buys an amd cpu because for some reason in your mind amd cpu's are far worse than intel when it is simply not true and you are the one that needs to do your homework


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 05:24 AM

We are not arguing because we like amd we are doing it because you are either doing one of two things, 1.troll the forum and try to start flame wars on peoples posts or 2. try to make sure nobody ever buys an amd cpu because for some reason in your mind amd cpu's are far worse than intel when it is simply not true and you are the one that needs to do your homework

 

aha, so i am throwing benchmarks that are somewhat reliable and show Intel is faster than AMD FX => not true

 

you throw 1 video over and over again (Tek Syndicate that is totally inaccurate video benchmark without even correctly made graphs that shows AMD FX is good => must be true

 

yea. makes sense.

 

I've already said that you are not correct by saying AMD is cheaper. it's not cheaper either.

 

- Motherboards are very expensive

- AMD CPUs draw much more power which leads to far higher bills.

 

I gave you guys already a challenge ones, nobody tried to answer me.

 

Give me a good, well working AMD fx 8320 or 8350 cpu + mobo + cooling pricelist (or you can decide to keep stock box cooler). Use pcpartpicker.com


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So... If Jesus had the gold, would he buy himself out instead of waiting 3 days for the respawn?

CPU: Phenom II x6 1045t ][ GPU: GeForce 9600GT 512mb DDR3 ][ Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P ][ RAM: 2x4GB Kingston 1333MHz CL9 DDR3 ][ HDD: Western Digital Green 2TB ][ PSU: Chieftec 500AB A ][ Case: No-name without airflow or dust filters Budget saved for an upgrade so far: 2400PLN (600€) - Initial 2800PLN (700€) Upgraded already: CPU


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 05:27 AM



aha, so i am throwing benchmarks that are somewhat reliable and show Intel is faster than AMD FX => not true

 

you throw 1 video over and over again (Tek Syndicate that is totally inaccurate video benchmark without even correctly made graphs that shows AMD FX is good => must be true

 

yea. makes sense.

 

I've already said that you are not correct by saying AMD is cheaper. it's not cheaper either.

 

- Motherboards are very expensive

- AMD CPUs draw much more power which leads to far higher bills.

 

I gave you guys already a challenge ones, nobody tried to answer me.

 

Give me a good, well working AMD fx 8320 or 8350 cpu + mobo + cooling pricelist (or you can decide to keep stock box cooler). Use pcpartpicker.com

That is actually an easy task and I personally have mentioned teksyndicate once you throw at a few benchmarks that are irrelevant also you mention the power draw way too often and it isn't going to affect the overall price much at all

 

 
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Posted 02 September 2013 - 05:29 AM

That is actually an easy task and I personally have mentioned teksyndicate once you throw at a few benchmarks that are irrelevant 

 

Then go ahead and show me how much AMD 8-core CPU+MOBO+COOLER (you can decide to keep the CPU cooler from Box) costs.

 

And then say again it is 'cheap'.

 

Also I keep saying I AM NOT Intel fanboy. Even my title says that I fanboy somebody else.

 

I even purchased Phenom II x6 1045t last week.


So... If Jesus had the gold, would he buy himself out instead of waiting 3 days for the respawn?

CPU: Phenom II x6 1045t ][ GPU: GeForce 9600GT 512mb DDR3 ][ Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P ][ RAM: 2x4GB Kingston 1333MHz CL9 DDR3 ][ HDD: Western Digital Green 2TB ][ PSU: Chieftec 500AB A ][ Case: No-name without airflow or dust filters Budget saved for an upgrade so far: 2400PLN (600€) - Initial 2800PLN (700€) Upgraded already: CPU


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 05:30 AM

aha, so i am throwing benchmarks that are somewhat reliable and show Intel is faster than AMD FX => not true

 

you throw 1 video over and over again (Tek Syndicate that is totally inaccurate video benchmark without even correctly made graphs that shows AMD FX is good => must be true

 

yea. makes sense.

 

I've already said that you are not correct by saying AMD is cheaper. it's not cheaper either.

 

- Motherboards are very expensive

- AMD CPUs draw much more power which leads to far higher bills.

 

I gave you guys already a challenge ones, nobody tried to answer me.

 

Give me a good, well working AMD fx 8320 or 8350 cpu + mobo + cooling pricelist (or you can decide to keep stock box cooler). Use pcpartpicker.com

What about Linus? LOL Haven't you watched his benchmarks with the 8350 and 3570k? The 4670k is like 5-10% better than 3570k. Linus' benchmarks show that they are more less the same but AMD is cheaper (mobos are cheaper as well) and AMD is better for streaming and video editing (also in future games are said to use more cores).



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Posted 02 September 2013 - 05:32 AM

What about Linus? LOL Haven't you watched his benchmarks with the 8350 and 3570k? The 4670k is like 5-10% better than 3570k. Linus' benchmarks show that they are more less the same but AMD is cheaper (mobos are cheaper as well) and AMD is better for streaming and video editing (also in future games are said to use more cores).

He didn't test any CPU-bound games. Any heavily scripted game will work better on i5/i7 Intel CPU unless the game is using more than 6 cores (if a game uses 6 cores, AMD CPUs are still slower or the same speed. They start winning at 7 & 8 cores).

 

I said Intel CPUs are approximately 50% faster than AMD FX 8320/8350 at the start of the thread, you can go and see that i did. See? Do you even know what approximately means?


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#34 JujuShinobi

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 05:32 AM

I would go with the 8320 and try your luck overclocking it. Who knows? You might get a UNICORN 8320

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 05:33 AM

He didn't test any CPU-bound games.

I said Intel CPUs are approximately 50% faster than AMD FX 8320/8350 at the start of the thread, you can go and see that i did. See? Do you even know what approximately means?

Dude, he tested Crysis 3. I don't know what you are talking about.

And even if it is approximate, you're way off dude. Approximate means near to the actual number not miles away from it.
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Posted 02 September 2013 - 05:34 AM

Then go ahead and show me how much AMD 8-core CPU+MOBO+COOLER (you can decide to keep the CPU cooler from Box) costs.

 

And then say again it is 'cheap'.

 

Also I keep saying I AM NOT Intel fanboy. Even my title says that I fanboy somebody else.

 

I even purchased Phenom II x6 1045t last week.

I just did and also I haven't called you a fanboy you keep making claims against me because of what the many other people arguing against your ignorance have said


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 05:34 AM

Dude, he tested Crysis 3. I don't know what you are talking about.

 

Yes, Crysis 3 is one of the few games that actually use multiple threads. I do not negate that FX 8320 is faster there thanks to 8 cores. But it's one of the very few games that use 7 or 8 cores. :)


So... If Jesus had the gold, would he buy himself out instead of waiting 3 days for the respawn?

CPU: Phenom II x6 1045t ][ GPU: GeForce 9600GT 512mb DDR3 ][ Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P ][ RAM: 2x4GB Kingston 1333MHz CL9 DDR3 ][ HDD: Western Digital Green 2TB ][ PSU: Chieftec 500AB A ][ Case: No-name without airflow or dust filters Budget saved for an upgrade so far: 2400PLN (600€) - Initial 2800PLN (700€) Upgraded already: CPU


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 05:36 AM

I just did and also I haven't called you a fanboy you keep making claims against me because of what the many other people arguing against your ignorance have said


He says he is not a fanboy however I can state otherwise. The thread I made near a week ago asking if I should go 8320 or 4670k for streaming and he gives me a whole load of Intel options saying that the 8350 is trash. Hell he even gave me an option of a Xeon which by the way are horrible for gaming. I am honestly quite tired of seeing his post.
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Posted 02 September 2013 - 05:39 AM



 

That is actually an easy task and I personally have mentioned teksyndicate once you throw at a few benchmarks that are irrelevant also you mention the power draw way too often and it isn't going to affect the overall price much at all

 

 
CPU:  AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($144.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard:  ASRock 990FX Extreme3 ATX AM3+/AM3 Motherboard  ($119.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $294.97
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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i5 is cheaper:
 
 
CPU:  Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($179.98 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard:  MSI Z77MA-G45 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard  ($94.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $274.97
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And i7 20$ more:
 
 
You are not overclocking the CPUs here so you do not need more than stock fan. They will be faster at stock and MUCH more energy cost-friendly than your combo.

So... If Jesus had the gold, would he buy himself out instead of waiting 3 days for the respawn?

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 05:39 AM

He says he is not a fanboy however I can state otherwise. The thread I made near a week ago asking if I should go 8320 or 4670k for streaming and he gives me a whole load of Intel options saying that the 8350 is trash. Hell he even gave me an option of a Xeon which by the way are horrible for gaming. I am honestly quite tired of seeing his post.

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