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Motorized Heelys

BuckGup
By BuckGup
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I got the idea to motorize a pair of Heelys. The shoes with the little wheel in the heel. Well basically my idea is to take a brushless motor and make a metal cylinder around it. The rotor would be attached to a planetary gear system that would then turn the cylinder around the motor. The cylinder would have tiny fins that would pull air across the motor to cool it. The user would then just need to wear a fanny pack or small poach on their leg containing the ESC, Lipo battery, and receiver. The would get a tiny transmitter like boosted boards to control the speed. Does this sound viable? To limit the current draw the user should only accelerate after they have pushed off with their own power.  They wheel circumference on heelys is also much large than you think. The shoes have 2-3 inches of added material to allow for a wheel well.

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I always wanted heely’s but when they were all the rage my feet were growing at a size per month basically lol. Couldn’t justify the $100 price tag. Now $100 are cheap lol. Sounds sketchy. I like it

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6 minutes ago, Cereal5 said:

I always wanted heely’s but when they were all the rage my feet were growing at a size per month basically lol. Couldn’t justify the $100 price tag. Now $100 are cheap lol. Sounds sketchy. I like it

Just gotta find a gear ratio that can over come the weight of a person but provides some speed. Like stupid fast I am talking

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13 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

I got the idea to motorize a pair of Heelys. The shoes with the little wheel in the heel. Well basically my idea is to take a brushless motor and make a metal cylinder around it. The rotor would be attached to a planetary gear system that would then turn the cylinder around the motor. The cylinder would have tiny fins that would pull air across the motor to cool it. The user would then just need to wear a fanny pack or small poach on their leg containing the ESC, Lipo battery, and receiver. The would get a tiny transmitter like boosted boards to control the speed. Does this sound viable? To limit the current draw the user should only accelerate after they have pushed off with their own power.  They wheel circumference on heelys is also much large than you think. The shoes have 2-3 inches of added material to allow for a wheel well.

I work in CAD/CAM and mechanical/electrical engineering. Let me know if you actually want to try and make this practical. 

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45 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Just gotta find a gear ratio that can over come the weight of a person but provides some speed. Like stupid fast I am talking

Stupid fast lmao... maybe motorized wheel chair speed like 10+ mph? I’d be down with 5-7 even

 

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2 hours ago, Brink2Three said:

I work in CAD/CAM and mechanical/electrical engineering. Let me know if you actually want to try and make this practical. 

I do. I have finals coming up in a week so I can't start work until after that but I can do the math in the meantime. Also what program do you use to design stuff? There's a local maker space that I will be utilizing for CNCs and other tools.

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2 hours ago, BuckGup said:

What program do you use to design stuff?

Heh heh...

So I started in Google Sketchup (Now owned by Trimble) in 2012 designing parts for a robotics team in high school. Since then, I have used Solidworks to make waterjet or CNC parts, FlowPath/Flowcut, etc for the waterjet and Pathmaster for a Milling CNC and plasma CNC. Most recently AutoCAD for Structural/Construction drafting. 

TL;DR, give me a file, I can probably open it and see what you've made.

I've also dabbled a bit with 3D printing, but I don't own a printer at the moment. 

 

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17 minutes ago, Brink2Three said:

Heh heh...

So I started in Google Sketchup (Now owned by Trimble) in 2012 designing parts for a robotics team in high school. Since then, I have used Solidworks to make waterjet or CNC parts, FlowPath/Flowcut, etc for the waterjet and Pathmaster for a Milling CNC and plasma CNC. Most recently AutoCAD for Structural/Construction drafting. 

TL;DR, give me a file, I can probably open it and see what you've made.

I've also dabbled a bit with 3D printing, but I don't own a printer at the moment. 

 

Alright sick will do when I get something

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On 11/2/2018 at 12:31 PM, BuckGup said:

I got the idea to motorize a pair of Heelys. The shoes with the little wheel in the heel. Well basically my idea is to take a brushless motor and make a metal cylinder around it. The rotor would be attached to a planetary gear system that would then turn the cylinder around the motor. The cylinder would have tiny fins that would pull air across the motor to cool it. The user would then just need to wear a fanny pack or small poach on their leg containing the ESC, Lipo battery, and receiver. The would get a tiny transmitter like boosted boards to control the speed. Does this sound viable? To limit the current draw the user should only accelerate after they have pushed off with their own power.  They wheel circumference on heelys is also much large than you think. The shoes have 2-3 inches of added material to allow for a wheel well.

There are those out there, and yes it would be cool to have such an item available on the market. It is just that the snowy months and the pebbly ground will have an impact on the size of wheel you choose. The motor attachment would be highly unique, at the heel, then gearing. I think a better idea because its easier is to have the wheels on the side that you strap into. It would be for the business man wanting to get to his car faster.

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On 11/4/2018 at 10:43 PM, Canada EH said:

There are those out there, and yes it would be cool to have such an item available on the market. It is just that the snowy months and the pebbly ground will have an impact on the size of wheel you choose. The motor attachment would be highly unique, at the heel, then gearing. I think a better idea because its easier is to have the wheels on the side that you strap into. It would be for the business man wanting to get to his car faster.

Well I believe it would be possible but the gearing ratio is the major determining factor. Most of the on the market solutions have two wheels in the back with everything contained. By removing the battery and speed controller you can make them much smaller. They will be heavier than normal heelys but the appeal will offset it. Also by having the Lipo away from the motor you can avoid the whole hoverboard explosions 

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On 11/12/2018 at 1:28 PM, BuckGup said:

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The battery and its location is the least of the implementation concerns.

 

You'd need to be using a outrunner motor, place the esc or the battery to the lace area, and the other on the heel or side of the shoe. Motor mount would either be in a 1-2" sole, or at the back or front. On one foot put motor at the front, on the other the back. You could still walk, then do a "/\" with your legs to giverrrrrrrrr

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6 hours ago, Canada EH said:

 

The battery and its location is the least of the implementation concerns.

 

You'd need to be using a outrunner motor, place the esc or the battery to the lace area, and the other on the heel or side of the shoe. Motor mount would either be in a 1-2" sole, or at the back or front. On one foot put motor at the front, on the other the back. You could still walk, then do a "/\" with your legs to giverrrrrrrrr

I am thinking of incorporating the motor in the wheel itself

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3 hours ago, BuckGup said:

I am thinking of incorporating the motor in the wheel itself

That is what an "Out Runner" motor is, though I am not big on that rc stuff. An out runner motor has the outter shell that spins and the axle stays bolted in. In runner is opposite, the outter shell is bolted and the axle spins, like any typical motor.

 

Outrunners have more torque then inrunners, because there is more mass further out.

Gearing is crucial, so having a high rpm reduce down to a small gear whether that is by sprockets or gears is the goal.

 

I think a cooler aspect would be to have a belt sander type locomotion. Something to look into. Great for slippery surfaces.

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11 minutes ago, Canada EH said:

That is what an "Out Runner" motor is, though I am not big on that rc stuff. An out runner motor has the outter shell that spins and the axle stays bolted in. In runner is opposite, the outter shell is bolted and the axle spins, like any typical motor.

 

Outrunners have more torque then inrunners, because there is more mass further out.

Gearing is crucial, so having a high rpm reduce down to a small gear whether that is by sprockets or gears is the goal.

 

I think a cooler aspect would be to have a belt sander type locomotion. Something to look into. Great for slippery surfaces.

Yeah the first hurdle to see if it is even possible is to figure out the ratio. As the teeth required might be larger than the motor

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2 hours ago, BuckGup said:

Yeah the first hurdle to see if it is even possible is to figure out the ratio. As the teeth required might be larger than the motor 

Well first is you want to know the kv, second is motor size, third gear ratio and type of reduction you want.

 

Motor spin fast on a small gear has a set amount of torque

reduction of 10:1 gives you x10 the torque, but divides your speed by 10 too.

 

What I wonder is, what is the lowest kv motor out there in various motor sizes.

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1 hour ago, Canada EH said:

Well first is you want to know the kv, second is motor size, third gear ratio and type of reduction you want.

 

Motor spin fast on a small gear has a set amount of torque

reduction of 10:1 gives you x10 the torque, but divides your speed by 10 too.

 

What I wonder is, what is the lowest kv motor out there in various motor sizes.

50-100kv is the lowest I can find that will actually work for this

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