LAN build ?

[Gavins23]

Hello, I was thinking that I could a semi portable pc that could play 1080 60 FPS games like gta and pubg. But I don’t know if I’ve got a good list so I need some criticism. And if my list make outright no sense if you could point me in the right direction.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor	$174.00 @ Amazon
Motherboard	MSI - B450I GAMING PLUS AC Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard	$113.87 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$139.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Western Digital - Blue 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$84.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$58.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB SC GAMING Video Card	$239.00 @ B&H
Case	Fractal Design - Define Nano S Mini ITX Desktop Case	$67.49 @ Newegg
Power Supply	EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$59.99 @ Amazon
Operating System	Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit	$20.00
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$978.22
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$958.22
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-10 02:49 EDT-0400

 

[LukeSavenije]

9 minutes ago, Gavins23 said:

so I need some criticism

I can help you with that.

 

The supernova isn't that good of a psu, get yourself a cx550, its cheaper and will fit nicely into your build

 

Get a 860 evo if it fits in your case.

 

and in your case it might be better to get one 16gb stick for upgrades later.

 

Single fan cooling won't perform well, if you can fit any better into your case, i would go for it

[bleedblue]

Looks good. Only thing I would suggest is an aftermarket cooler for the 2600. It doesn't come with a Wraith Spire like the 1600, only the smaller Wraith Stealth which is good for CPUs with a TDP of 65W.

[brob]

19 minutes ago, Gavins23 said:

Hello, I was thinking that I could a semi portable pc that could play 1080 60 FPS games like gta and pubg. But I don’t know if I’ve got a good list so I need some criticism. And if my list make outright no sense if you could point me in the right direction.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor	$174.00 @ Amazon
Motherboard	MSI - B450I GAMING PLUS AC Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard	$113.87 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$139.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Western Digital - Blue 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$84.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$58.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB SC GAMING Video Card	$239.00 @ B&H
Case	Fractal Design - Define Nano S Mini ITX Desktop Case	$67.49 @ Newegg
Power Supply	EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$59.99 @ Amazon
Operating System	Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit	$20.00
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$978.22
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$958.22
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-10 02:49 EDT-0400

 

 

Overall looks fine. Although I'm not a fan of sites that offer cheap Windows keys.

 

You might consider changing the SATA III WD Blue ssd to the 2.5" version. This would leave the M.2 connector free for an upgrade to a NVMe ssd.

[Spotty]

23 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

The supernova isn't that good of a psu, get yourself a cx550, its cheaper and will fit nicely into your build

The EVGA G3 is a good unit, especially at that price. Yes, its OPP failed in some limited testing, however that doesn't mean it is fundamentally a bad unit. A CX550 certainly is not better than a G3. Though, either would still be suitable for the build at hand.

In this case a CX450M would also be suitable for the build, and if they wanted to change the EVGA G3, the CX450M would be the unit I would recommend as being semi modular is a huge benefit in a mini ITX case over the non-modular CX550.

 

23 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

Get a 860 evo if it fits in your case.

Why an 860 evo?

Why would it not fit? The case has 2x 3.5" bays and 2x 2.5" bays. You can get M.2 860 evos.

They already have a 500GB WD Blue M.2 SSD. There won't be much benefit switching it to a more expensive 860 evo.
 

23 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

and in your case it might be better to get one 16gb stick for upgrades later. 

What? They're doing 1080p gaming, so there should be no reason for them to need to upgrade to 32GB of RAM. Running in single channel mode will also hurt their performance.
The OP has made the right choice with 2x8GB sticks.

 

 

@Gavins23 Looks like a pretty good system you have there. The only thing I would recommend would be considering a Micro ATX case and mATX motherboard instead of an ITX case & Mobo. ITX is typically slightly more expensive, and you sacrifice features on the motherboard and cooling for the system due to the more confined enclosure and restrictions on CPU cooler size and such.
Something you will need to weigh up and consider for your own individual use case whether you need the compact size of ITX or not.

[LukeSavenije]

11 minutes ago, Spotty said:

CX550

cx550m is what i meant, sorry

 

11 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Why an 860 evo?

I have had a great time with it, and the price went down the last while, and he can have the m.2 slot for a nvme ssd later.

 

11 minutes ago, Spotty said:

What? They're doing 1080p gaming, so there should be no reason for them to need to upgrade to 32GB of RAM. Running in single channel mode will also hurt their performance.

Not right now, but maybe later if the pc will be used for a longer time, single channel wont hurt performance that bad in games

 

12 minutes ago, Spotty said:

he only thing I would recommend would be considering a Micro ATX case and mATX motherboard instead of an ITX case & Mobo. ITX is typically slightly more expensive, and you sacrifice features on the motherboard and cooling for the system due to the more confined enclosure and restrictions on CPU cooler size and such.

Micro atx might be a better choise here pricewise, i agree with that

[brob]

While I think there are better psu than the G3, it is a better psu than the CX or CXM. What other US$60 80+ Gold psu comes with a 9 year warranty?

[Cereal5]

The G2 was better than the G3 ironically. The whole supernova 2 series were actually fantastic PSUs. I would recommend against single channel RAM. 16GB should be plenty for LAN for years and years to come. Like other's said I"d recommend against the WD M.2 SSD cause it's not an NVMe drive. the 860 Evo did recently come down in price. I think the 500GB is under $90 in the US.

 

If you're gonna go ITX, you might as well get the ultimate LAN case: the Corsair 380T. It's tiny and gorgeous and has a handle and all the filters everywhere and yeah. But do what you want, it's an expensive case lol. (I wonder if anyone has done a custom loop in the case...)

[Gavins23]

Why don’t you like windows 10 from kinguin.com

[Gavins23]

Also how’s this for portibality

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor	$174.00 @ Amazon
Motherboard	MSI - B450M PRO-M2 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$64.99 @ B&H
Memory	G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$139.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Western Digital - Blue 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$84.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$58.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB SC GAMING Video Card	$239.00 @ B&H
Case	Fractal Design - Meshify C Mini Dark TG MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$93.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$66.54 @ B&H
Operating System	Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit	$20.00
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$982.39
	Mail-in rebates	-$40.00
	Total	$942.39
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-10 04:17 EDT-0400

 

[Spotty]

12 minutes ago, Cereal5 said:

Like other's said I"d recommend against the WD M.2 SSD cause it's not an NVMe drive. the 860 Evo did recently come down in price. I think the 500GB is under $90 in the US.

You don't recommend the WD Blue because it's not an NVMe drive, but then go on to recommend the 860 evo instead? That makes absolutely no sense. The 860 evo isn't NVMe either. It's SATA based. It comes in both 2.5" and M.2.

If you are trying to recommend OP gets an NVMe SSD, then you will be looking at the 960 evo or 970 evo from Samsung, or other NVMe drives from other manufacturers.

If you are recommending they get a 2.5" form factor SSD instead of a M.2 SSD, then the WD Blue SSD also comes in a 2.5" form factor. As do plenty of other SATA SSDs that are cheaper than the 860 evo, even with the recent price drop on SSDs.

 

I'm not saying people shouldn't buy the 860 evo, I'm just saying the reasons you are listing to justify choosing the 860 evo over the alternatives are misinformed.

 

The workloads the OP has discussed they will be using the system for do not require an NVMe drive, and there will be little to no real world noticeable benefit of an NVMe drive in this situation.

[brob]

4 minutes ago, Gavins23 said:

Why don’t you like windows 10 from kinguin.com

I don't trust that all keys are legitimate. (Before anyone starts arguing with me, just accept that this is my opinion and nothing anyone says is going to change it.)

 

[Spotty]

7 minutes ago, Gavins23 said:

Also how’s this for portibality

The MSI motherboard you have selected isn't very good. I'd recommend an Asrock AB450M Pro 4/AB350M Pro4 at a minimum.

 

The Meshify C is a good case, but it is going to be bulkier than the ITX cases.

If you are transporting your LAN machine only occasionally and by car and then just carrying from the car in to your friends house, it shouldn't be much of an issue. If you're taking public transport and carrying the case to get to where you are going, most mATX cases are going to be considerably more bulky and you should probably stick with an ITX case. In this case something that could fit in to a backpack would be good.
Really depends on how you're planning on using it and how much portability you need.

[Cereal5]

Just now, Spotty said:

You don't recommend the WD Blue because it's not an NVMe drive, but then go on to recommend the 860 evo instead? That makes absolutely no sense. The 860 evo isn't NVMe either. It's SATA based. It comes in both 2.5" and M.2.

2.5, I should have clarified.

 

Just now, Spotty said:

If you are trying to recommend OP gets an NVMe SSD, then you will be looking at the 960 evo or 970 evo from Samsung, or other NVMe drives from other manufacturers.

Yes

 

1 minute ago, Spotty said:

If you are recommending they get a 2.5" form factor SSD instead of a M.2 SSD, then the WD Blue SSD also comes in a 2.5" form factor. As do plenty of other SATA SSDs that are cheaper than the 860 evo, even with the recent price drop on SSDs.

Well... Maybe. There's a reason why the 850/860 evo is one of the best selling SSDs like ever... cheaper SSDs don't actually get max SATA bus speeds. Faster than a HDD but noticeably slower than a good SSD. There's a difference between misinformation and misinterpretation. Also, a 500GB 860 evo and this WD drive are the same price, so if you're gonna say an 860 doesn't make sense, then neither does the WD M.2 drive. 

 

3 minutes ago, Spotty said:

The workloads the OP has discussed they will be using the system for do not require an NVMe drive, and there will be little to no real world noticeable benefit of an NVMe drive in this situation.

You can hardly justify the speeds of an NVMe drive for anything, but people get them anyways. If we're talking about justifying price to capacity/speed you might as well throw 2.5" SSDs out too cause having a slow HDD is better than no storage at all, and at less than $50 a TB, a HDD is a pretty good deal. So... The benefit of an NVMe drive is negligible.

[Gavins23]

I’m really only going to bring to my friends houses every so often for some lan fun. Also I looked at some nvme drives and found an intel nvme for around the same price as the wd blue drive.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor	$174.00 @ Amazon
Motherboard	MSI - B450M PRO-M2 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$64.99 @ B&H
Memory	G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$139.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Intel - 660p Series 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$89.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$58.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB SC GAMING Video Card	$239.00 @ B&H
Case	Fractal Design - Meshify C Mini Dark TG MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$93.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$66.54 @ B&H
Operating System	Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit	$20.00
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$987.39
	Mail-in rebates	-$40.00
	Total	$947.39
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-10 04:29 EDT-0400

 

[Spotty]

8 minutes ago, Cereal5 said:

Also, a 500GB 860 evo and this WD drive are the same price, so if you're gonna say an 860 doesn't make sense, then neither does the WD M.2 drive. 

By your logic, they shouldn't buy the 860 evo either.

36 minutes ago, Cereal5 said:

I"d recommend against the WD M.2 SSD cause it's not an NVMe drive.

 

As I already stated,

17 minutes ago, Spotty said:

I'm not saying people shouldn't buy the 860 evo, I'm just saying the reasons you are listing to justify choosing the 860 evo over the alternatives are misinformed.

I'm not saying the 860 evo is a bad drive or recommending that anyone doesn't buy it. I'm just stating that the reasons you and @LukeSavenije suggested for buying it instead of the drive already selected do not make any sense and/or are wrong.

If you had discussed the performance difference between the different models of SATA drives, or discussed the difference between using an M.2 or 2.5" drive due to the limiations of an ITX build and only single M.2 slot available, or even discussed things like different warranty periods on the drives, those would have all been valid things to discuss. Suggesting things such as "You shouldn't buy a WD Blue SSD because it's not NVMe drive, you should get an 860 evo instead" is just ridiculously stupid.

[Cereal5]

2 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Suggesting things such as "You shouldn't buy a WD Blue SSD because it's not NVMe drive, you should get an 860 evo instead" is just ridiculously stupid.

So he can put an NVMe drive in it later if he so chooses, instead of having to scrap the WD M.2. It's like buying only one stick of RAM, so you can later upgrade to 2, except there's no performance hit like there is using single channel RAM. You said it yourself, it's an ITX board and has only one M.2 slot. Why waste it on a SATA based M.2 drive?

[Gavins23]

I changed the case for a little more compact one. And dropped the wd drive for an intel drive. I also got a Sandisk 500gb Sata drive.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor	$174.00 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Asus - PRIME B450M-A/CSM Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$76.51 @ OutletPC
Memory	G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$139.99 @ Newegg
Storage	SanDisk - Ultra 3D 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$80.99 @ B&H
Storage	Intel - 660p Series 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$89.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$58.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB SC GAMING Video Card	$239.00 @ B&H
Case	Thermaltake - Core V21 MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$59.93 @ Amazon
Power Supply	EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$66.54 @ B&H
Operating System	Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit	$20.00
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1045.84
	Mail-in rebates	-$40.00
	Total	$1005.84
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-10 04:49 EDT-0400

 

[Spotty]

10 minutes ago, Cereal5 said:

So he can put an NVMe drive in it later if he so chooses, instead of having to scrap the WD M.2.

In that case you say something like:
"You shouldn't buy an M.2 SATA based SSD in case you want to upgrade to an NVMe SSD later on. Since you're looking at SATA based SSDs, you should instead go with a 2.5" form factor SSD. I would recommend the 2.5" Samsung 860 evo which is priced similarly to the WD Blue M.2 SSD you have selected".

 

10 minutes ago, Cereal5 said:

You said it yourself, it's an ITX board and has only one M.2 slot. Why waste it on a SATA based M.2 drive?

Why not? As mentioned, for their use case, NVMe SSD won't offer any real world benefit for them. A 500GB Sata SSD, in whichever form factor, should be suitable for the life of the build for their use case. Not populating the M.2 slot for possibility of future expansion is a valid consideration to make.
Considering we're discussing use in an ITX build, the M.2 SSD would have advantages over 2.5" SSD when it comes to cable management and mounting in confined ITX cases. So there are valid arguments for both options.

 

@Cereal5 for the most part you seem to know what you're talking about. The only issue I have is with the comment where you specified that they should not buy the WD Blue due to the reason it isn't an NVMe drive, and then immediately went on to recommend in its place another drive that also isn't NVMe. I'm sure you can understand the fallacy in that logic. It's like saying "Don't buy a WD Blue 7200RPM HDD for your OS because it's not a SSD, buy a Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM HDD for your OS instead". Of course someone is going to call you out for comments like that.

[Cereal5]

2 minutes ago, Spotty said:

-snip-

Fair. I had all but forgotten then 860 came in M.2 until you said so, so I wasn't even thinking about it. And yes, I understand what you're saying. And also yes, every bit of not having to cable manage an ITX build is a good thing. I'll try to be more explicit in my suggestions next time, thanks for being a reasonable internet user lol.

 

All that being said, there are clearly arguments for both, like you said. Cost and form factor being the prominent ones.

32 minutes ago, Gavins23 said:

 

Storage	Intel - 660p Series 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$89.99 @ Newegg

It looks like this drive uses the PCIe bus, and is basically the same price (and you even get 12GB more storage). I'd say that's a pretty good deal.

[lukart]

Get a X1700 and a 580 8Gb instead..

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YK2pFt
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YK2pFt/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3GHz 8-Core Processor  ($189.99 @ Newegg Business)
Motherboard: ASRock - B450M-HDV Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($68.38 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($84.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($58.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - Radeon RX 580 8GB Gaming 8G Video Card  ($239.89 @ OutletPC)
Case: Fractal Design - Meshify C Mini Dark TG MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($93.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($66.54 @ B&H)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  ($20.00)
Total: $962.66
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-10 06:52 EDT-0400

[Spotty]

20 minutes ago, lukart said:

Get a X1700 and a 580 8Gb instead..

 

Motherboard: ASRock - B450M-HDV Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($68.38 @ OutletPC)

Not this motherboard, especially not for a Ryzen 7 1700. The B450M-HDV is awful. The Asrock AB350M Pro 4 is only 10 dollars more and is a much better pick.

In games, the Ryzen 2600 will potentially perform better than the Ryzen 7 1700 (non x). Despite the fewer cores, the 2600 has higher base and turbo clocks, and very slight generational improvements with Zen+, all of which will help considerably in gaming tasks. The extra cores on the 1700 won't provide much benefit in most games. The 2600 is also cheaper.

 

I don't mean to be so critical of everyone's suggestions in this thread, it's just that I don't want people such as the OP to read the suggestions given and then go out any buy whatever is suggested, only to later discover there might be an issue with it... Such as pairing a 1700 or 1700x with a motherboard with poor quality VRMs and only a 4pin CPU power connector that is IMO inadequate for 8c/16t CPUs.

 

The RX580 8GB is a good idea though, especially if paired with a Freesync monitor. Price and performance on the GTX 1060 6GB and RX580 8GB are close enough that there's little difference between the two, but if you're pairing it with a Freesync monitor the RX580 is the clear choice. (I have a handy flow chart for how to choose between the RX580 8GB and GTX 1060 6GB available here: https://linustechtips.com/main/uploads/monthly_2018_10/image.png.fc482e7cdc73e56c38f3c2306c15e406.png)

 

Edited October 10, 2018 by Spotty

[Gavins23]

The reason I’m going for the Asus monster board is because it’s a b450 chipset. The asrock mobo you recommending is a b350 mobo. I’d rather spend a few buck instead of having the trouble of update the bios.

also I get where he was coming from he was saying that if I get the 860 2.5 Itead of the m.2. I could have the m.2 open for upgrades like an nvme drive. So instead of dust getting a 2.5 I thought I could get over a tb of storage and just get a sandisk 500 and a 512 nvme from intel for the same price as the wb drive.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor	$174.00 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Asus - PRIME B450M-A/CSM Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$76.51 @ OutletPC
Memory	G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$139.99 @ Newegg
Storage	SanDisk - Ultra 3D 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$80.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Intel - 660p Series 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$89.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$58.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB SC GAMING Video Card	$239.00 @ B&H
Case	Thermaltake - Core V21 MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$59.93 @ Amazon
Power Supply	EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$59.77 @ B&H
Operating System	Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit	$20.00
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1039.07
	Mail-in rebates	-$40.00
	Total	$999.07
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-10 13:40 EDT-0400

 

[Spotty]

19 minutes ago, Gavins23 said:

The reason I’m going for the Asus monster board is because it’s a b450 chipset. The asrock mobo you recommending is a b350 mobo. I’d rather spend a few buck instead of having the trouble of update the bios.

I was recommending the B350M Pro4 to be paired the Ryzen 1700 he suggested, which doesn't require an update.

B350 motherboards have came out of the factory with BIOS updates for probably close to a year now. It was only an issue when the Zen+ CPUs were initially released and old B350 motherboards were still sitting on shelves in stores that hadn't been updated from the factory yet. I'd be extremely surprised if you bought a B350 motherboard that wasn't already updated out of the box, as it would mean it has been sitting on the shelf in the store for many months waiting to be sold. It shouldn't be an issue any more.

 

There is also the AsRock B450M Pro 4 which is the B450 variant. If you were interested in going the AsRock board for your Ryzen 2600, you could go with the AsRock AB450M Pro4.

 

21 minutes ago, Gavins23 said:

Asus - PRIME B450M-A/CSM Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard

That motherboard lacks any VRM cooling whatsoever. I would not recommend it.

The VRMs are responsible for converting the 12V power from the PSU in to a lower voltage to provide power for the CPU (typically between 0.8V-1.2V). This means under load or when overclocking when the CPU is drawing a lot of power the VRMs can get extremely hot. All except the cheapest motherboards will place heatsinks on top of the VRMs to help move the heat away and cool them.

 

Spoiler

 

 

The B450M Pro4 would be a better choice, and only costs $3 more. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dQgzK8/asrock-b450m-pro4-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b450m-pro4

If you don't like the AsRock board then there are others as well that would be better choices, but they may cost a little bit more for something decent.

[Gavins23]

Ok thanks for the pointer I’ve switch the mother board to the asrock.