Motherboard battle

[Kirkulis]

Hello, i am looking to buy a mobo for a r5 2600, I have narrowed down my options to 4 motherboards: msi b450 tomahawk(138$), msi x370 sli plus(138$), msi x370 gaming pro carbon (167$). I am aware that the x370 boards will need bios update(that will cost 10$ because none of my friends have a first gen ryzen).Between the sli plus and the pro carbon i am leaning more towards the cheaper option both because of the price and becasue of the looks, I just dont know about the tomahawk, everyone is giving it good reviews and its a no hustle option.I will be overclocking but nothing extreme.The case will propably be a fractal design mesify so the airflow will be pretty good.Any other recomendations?(yhea asus x370 prime pro has propably a little better power delivery but i hate how it looks and it cost about the same as a carbon)

[Slottr]

The bios' should be updated by now,

 

But why just MSI? From my understanding, the VRMs on the 300 boards were pretty bad.

[Kirkulis]

6 minutes ago, Slottr said:

The bios' should be updated by now,

 

But why just MSI? From my understanding, the VRMs on the 300 boards were pretty bad.

well, my other option is an ashrock x370 fatality, i thought the newer msi boards are much better(i remeber back when ryzen first came out, msi was the worst ryzen mobo manufacturer.)Besides the tomahawk has superb reviews

[Void Master]

What about the gigabyte x470 aorus ultra gaming ?

[Kirkulis]

2 minutes ago, Void Master said:

What about the gigabyte x470 aorus ultra gaming ?

 

175 dollars seem a bit expensive for me. this and the msi gaming pro for 160 are the cheapest x470 in my country.

[lmeneses]

14 minutes ago, Kirkulis said:

Hello, i am looking to buy a mobo for a r5 2600, I have narrowed down my options to 4 motherboards: msi b450 tomahawk(138$), msi x370 sli plus(138$), msi x370 gaming pro carbon (167$). I am aware that the x370 boards will need bios update(that will cost 10$ because none of my friends have a first gen ryzen).Between the sli plus and the pro carbon i am leaning more towards the cheaper option both because of the price and becasue of the looks, I just dont know about the tomahawk, everyone is giving it good reviews and its a no hustle option.I will be overclocking but nothing extreme.The case will propably be a fractal design mesify so the airflow will be pretty good.Any other recomendations?(yhea asus x370 prime pro has propably a little better power delivery but i hate how it looks and it cost about the same as a carbon)

The b450 tomahawk is $100 rn

[Kirkulis]

Just now, lmeneses said:

The b450 tomahawk is $100 rn

Where?I live in europe, here its 120 euros=140 $.i just converted eveyting to usd

[seon123]

The Prime Pro would be a lot better than any of those boards. The MSI X370 boards are not good at all, so of they cost about the same as the Prime Pro, they're really bad value. 

For the less expensive B450 boards, you have things like the MSI B450-A, which is the same as the Tomahawk. The MSI B450 Carbon is as good as the lower end MSI X470 boards, so that's a good board, if it costs the same as the rest. 

To update the BIOS, you don't need to get scammed for $10. Just use the AMD thing where you loan a CPU, update the BIOS and then return the CPU. 

[Void Master]

1 minute ago, Kirkulis said:

4 minutes ago, Void Master said:

What about the gigabyte x470 aorus ultra gaming ?

 

175 dollars seem a bit expensive for me. this and the msi gaming pro for 160 are the cheapest x470 in my country.

Its just 8$ man. and you save 10$ sine you do not need a bios update so you gain 2$

 

[Kirkulis]

59 minutes ago, seon123 said:

The Prime Pro would be a lot better than any of those boards. The MSI X370 boards are not good at all, so of they cost about the same as the Prime Pro, they're really bad value. 

For the less expensive B450 boards, you have things like the MSI B450-A, which is the same as the Tomahawk. The MSI B450 Carbon is as good as the lower end MSI X470 boards, so that's a good board, if it costs the same as the rest. 

To update the BIOS, you don't need to get scammed for $10. Just use the AMD thing where you loan a CPU, update the BIOS and then return the CPU. 

The b450 is not availiable here...not the cheaper msi b450-A. Well as Void Master said if yo consider the 10 euro bios scam, i am heading into x470 territory, so i could go fot a gigabyte X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING for 150 euros thats 173.(anotehr option is the msi x470 aming pro..)

 

59 minutes ago, Void Master said:

Its just 8$ man. and you save 10$ sine you do not need a bios update so you gain 2$

well yhea..I guess, its not that i am off budget, but i started from a sub 100 board and i am now looking at 150+. Well i guess the cheaper choise isnt always the best

[seon123]

3 minutes ago, Kirkulis said:

The b450 is not availiable here...not the cheaper msi b450-A. Well as Void Master said if yo consider the 10 euro bios scam, i am heading into x470 territory, so i could go fot a gigabyte X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING for 150 euros thats 173.(anotehr option is the msi x470 aming pro..)

You're fine just getting the B450 Tomahawk. 

 

Edited September 9, 2018 by seon123
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[Kirkulis]

1 minute ago, seon123 said:

You're be fine just getting the B450 Tomahawk. 

 

Yhea i know..thought the X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING is 30 euros more. Maybe i should consider this. its a 4+3 power phase design and it has a bit more feutures.

[Jurrunio]

MSI's B350 and X370 are all terrible regardless of exact model in the VRM department.

 

B450 Tomahawk has everything you'd need, not much else.

 

X470 ultra gaming has weaker VRMs than others and overclock memory badly (above 3200 anyway), but it does allow BCLK tuning and other toys you'd find only on much more expensive boards like the Asus X470-F.

 

My recommendation will be B450 Gaming Pro Carbon if you want the RGB lights, Asus Prime Pro (X370 or X470 doesnt matter) and Gigabute X370 Gaming 5 for sheer performance

[Kirkulis]

3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

MSI's B350 and X370 are all terrible regardless of exact model in the VRM department.

 

B450 Tomahawk has everything you'd need, not much else.

 

X470 ultra gaming has weaker VRMs than others and overclock memory badly (above 3200 anyway), but it does allow BCLK tuning and other toys you'd find only on much more expensive boards like the Asus X470-F.

 

My recommendation will be B450 Gaming Pro Carbon if you want the RGB lights, Asus Prime Pro (X370 or X470 doesnt matter) and Gigabute X370 Gaming 5 for sheer performance

Is the b450 carbon much better than the tomahawk?i dont realy care about the lights, the gigabyte x370 gaming 5 is about 50 euro more than the tomahawk + it needs new bios.I knwo that the asus prime pro is propably the best budget x370 because of the power delivery but it lacks in feutures and looks. I want to be realistic, i doubt i will be doing any extreme overcloacking that a tomahawk cant handle nor i will need oen sience i am not going for a top end gpu.

[lmeneses]

55 minutes ago, Kirkulis said:

Where?I live in europe, here its 120 euros=140 $.i just converted eveyting to usd

Oh, in the US it's $100

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, Kirkulis said:

Is the b450 carbon much better than the tomahawk?i dont realy care about the lights, the gigabyte x370 gaming 5 is about 50 euro more than the tomahawk + it needs new bios.I knwo that the asus prime pro is propably the best budget x370 because of the power delivery but it lacks in feutures and looks. I want to be realistic, i doubt i will be doing any extreme overcloacking that a tomahawk cant handle nor i will need oen sience i am not going for a top end gpu.

B450 carbon is same as tomahawk in hardware

 

X370 gaming 5 is as good as Prime Pro tbh, but X470 Gaming 5 sucks so not that.

[seon123]

10 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

B450 carbon is same as tomahawk in hardware

Definitely not. Just from looking at it, the Tomahawk has 4 inductors, while the Carbon has 8. Fairly sure it's the same thing as on the X470 boards. 

[Jurrunio]

48 minutes ago, seon123 said:

Definitely not. Just from looking at it, the Tomahawk has 4 inductors, while the Carbon has 8. Fairly sure it's the same thing as on the X470 boards. 

nah what MSI did on the B450 Carbon and cheaper X470 boards is letting each set of mosfets use their own inductor, while that of cheaper B450 boards have to share inductors with the set of mosfets running in-phase. They all have 8 sets of high side and low-side mosfets and they are the same model.

[seon123]

4 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

nah what MSI did on the B450 Carbon and cheaper X470 boards is letting each set of mosfets use their own inductor, while that of cheaper B450 boards have to share inductors with the set of mosfets running in-phase. They all have 8 sets of high side and low-side mosfets and they are the same model.

The 4 inductors VRM seems to only use a single high side MOSFET. You can see it on the B450M Pro M2

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[Jurrunio]

33 minutes ago, seon123 said:

The 4 inductors VRM seems to only use a single high side MOSFET. You can see it on the B450M Pro M2

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https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f12/pga-am4-mainboard-vrm-liste-1155146.html

here states that Tomahawk and A Pro has two high sides. Further cost cutting on the M2 it seems