dinesaur pc

[lonewolf543210]

hello everyone,

my dad asked my recently if there is a way to speed up his pc. so I went searching for is pc specs to find out how power full it already was. not really power full though. it is based on an intel i7 860. yes indeed, a first gen i7 in 2018. so i sad he can ugrad it with an i7 8700 or an 8700 k. even an i3 8400 is better than this first gen i7. but anyway that is not the point. the point is that he added that he wants to keep his existing os. which is een windows 7 pro sp1. this windows 7 pro is out of date for already an year. you can see that here 

so the question is if it is out dated for an year, can you than upgrade from first gen intel to eight gen intel without any boot problems or reinstall from windows (offcourse  with installing drivers or not if possible) and does it make a differece if it is up to date?

[Crunchy Dragon]

A cheaper way to speed up his PC would be to get an SSD. More RAM couldn't hurt either, depending on how much he has already.

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

Those older i7s are still decent, as @Crunchy Dragon said a better way to upgrade would be to add an SSD, and maybe some more RAM and a new GPU

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dBJ6q4
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dBJ6q4/by_merchant/

Memory: Patriot - Signature 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($97.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($64.99 @ Adorama)
Video Card: Asus - Radeon RX 580 4GB Dual Video Card  ($224.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $387.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-07 14:14 EDT-0400

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

10 minutes ago, lonewolf543210 said:

hello everyone,

my dad asked my recently if there is a way to speed up his pc. so I went searching for is pc specs to find out how power full it already was. not really power full though. it is based on an intel i7 860. yes indeed, a first gen i7 in 2018. so i sad he can ugrad it with an i7 8700 or an 8700 k. even an i3 8400 is better than this first gen i7. but anyway that is not the point. the point is that he added that he wants to keep his existing os. which is een windows 7 pro sp1. this windows 7 pro is out of date for already an year. you can see that here 

so the question is if it is out dated for an year, can you than upgrade from first gen intel to eight gen intel without any boot problems or reinstall from windows (offcourse  with installing drivers or not if possible) and does it make a differece if it is up to date?

A first Gen i7 is still plenty fast for every day tasks. As everyone else has said, get a SSD as it will make a night and day difference in terms of speed and responsiveness of the system. 

 

As for the upgrading from first to 8th gen. There is a large possibility of needing a reinstall. Windows installations are not meant to be portable, no matter how many people claim here that they've always done it without problems. It is not guaranteed to work. If it doesn't work, you'll be bluescreening every time you try to boot into the OS and encounter dozens of weird glitches and bugs. You will need to reinstall and depending on the type of Windows license, you might need a new license to activate (though some suggest running Windows without activation, I have reservations towards that).

[lonewolf543210]

16 hours ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

A cheaper way to speed up his PC would be to get an SSD. More RAM couldn't hurt either, depending on how much he has already.

16 hours ago, OrbitalBuzzsaw said:

Those older i7s are still decent, as @Crunchy Dragon said a better way to upgrade would be to add an SSD, and maybe some more RAM and a new GPU

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dBJ6q4
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dBJ6q4/by_merchant/

Memory: Patriot - Signature 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($97.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($64.99 @ Adorama)
Video Card: Asus - Radeon RX 580 4GB Dual Video Card  ($224.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $387.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-07 14:14 EDT-0400

16 hours ago, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

A first Gen i7 is still plenty fast for every day tasks. As everyone else has said, get a SSD as it will make a night and day difference in terms of speed and responsiveness of the system. 

 

As for the upgrading from first to 8th gen. There is a large possibility of needing a reinstall. Windows installations are not meant to be portable, no matter how many people claim here that they've always done it without problems. It is not guaranteed to work. If it doesn't work, you'll be bluescreening every time you try to boot into the OS and encounter dozens of weird glitches and bugs. You will need to reinstall and depending on the type of Windows license, you might need a new license to activate (though some suggest running Windows without activation, I have reservations towards that).

the problem is that he doesn't want a ssd, i already offert that solution. i don't know exactly why, i mean i have one. but he doesn't want one. and to anwser the question about the ram, it is already 16 gb ddr3. so plenty enough. he wants to do a little bit of blender rendering and 3d printer software like craftware, as a hobby thing. but the thing he wants the most is to speed up things like adobe pdf viewer and exel sheets, which both take a minute or 2 to load with small files. which is ridiculously long for those programs

[JoostinOnline]

That's not too old to be honest. The CPU isn't upgradable. It wouldn't speed it up anyway. Even if he could upgrade it to an 8700k, the slowdown he's experiencing is from a hard drive. If he gets a large SSD (the same size as his current hard drive) he can clone Windows directly onto it. He won't lose his OS that way. You can technically do it with a smaller drive as well, but you're far more likely to get an error.

[lonewolf543210]

the pc doesn't even use the full speed of the 2 tb wd black hdd which is only half a year old. the preveous hdd was a segeate and died. so it is a pretty fast hdd and way to big to replace with an ssd for price reasons. he is probbably not willing to pay 300 to 400 dollar for an ssd.

 

so it is not gonna affect his pc at al and not possible without an reinstall of windows , to replace the cpu.?

i did it with my preveous pc whch was an windows 8 with an amd e2 cpu to an i5 4690 cpu

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

5 hours ago, lonewolf543210 said:

the pc doesn't even use the full speed of the 2 tb wd black hdd which is only half a year old. the preveous hdd was a segeate and died. so it is a pretty fast hdd and way to big to replace with an ssd for price reasons. he is probbably not willing to pay 300 to 400 dollar for an ssd.

 

so it is not gonna affect his pc at al and not possible without an reinstall of windows , to replace the cpu.?

i did it with my preveous pc whch was an windows 8 with an amd e2 cpu to an i5 4690 cpu

Hard drives are not fast. They're the slowest thing in a PC. An SSD does not cost 300 bucks. You can get 256GB ones for 100 bucks. 

[lonewolf543210]

he needs a 2tb ssd that costs about 300 - 400 euro's in my country, which is apparently even more US dollar, and i know it is the slowest thing in a pc but what i meant is that it is faster than the original hdd from 9 years ago. and maybe it sounds weird but his pc doesn't use the full 120 mb/s write speed. it uses only half of it and to add more frustration is the hdd mostly not even busy when the pc is so called loading. thats why i wanted to upgrade. maybe the new system will use the full speed. maybe not. i don't know. i hope so

 

but from what i understand that every one has said, it will be almost impossible to do a good upgrade from cpu and gain performens by this system. and the only thing that can possibly work is a ssd.  Please correct my if I'm wrong.