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What games? How many players? What hardware do you already have? How are you using GPUs to render maps? Do you really need to use VMs or would docker containers work just fine?

I want to run a vm sever for a few of my games for personal use I also want it to use gpu's for rendering large maps under 1000 ideas?

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What games? How many players? What hardware do you already have? How are you using GPUs to render maps? Do you really need to use VMs or would docker containers work just fine?

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Yes, I have 9 monitors.

My main PC (Hybrid Windows 10/Arch Linux):

OS: Arch Linux w/ XFCE DE (VFIO-Patched Kernel) as host OS, windows 10 as guest

CPU: Ryzen 9 3900X w/PBO on (6c 12t for host, 6c 12t for guest)

Cooler: Noctua NH-D15

Mobo: Asus X470-F Gaming

RAM: 32GB G-Skill Ripjaws V @ 3200MHz (12GB for host, 20GB for guest)

GPU: Guest: EVGA RTX 3070 FTW3 ULTRA Host: 2x Radeon HD 8470

PSU: EVGA G2 650W

SSDs: Guest: Samsung 850 evo 120 GB, Samsung 860 evo 1TB Host: Samsung 970 evo 500GB NVME

HDD: Guest: WD Caviar Blue 1 TB

Case: Fractal Design Define R5 Black w/ Tempered Glass Side Panel Upgrade

Other: White LED strip to illuminate the interior. Extra fractal intake fan for positive pressure.

 

unRAID server (Plex, Windows 10 VM, NAS, Duplicati, game servers):

OS: unRAID 6.11.2

CPU: Ryzen R7 2700x @ Stock

Cooler: Noctua NH-U9S

Mobo: Asus Prime X470-Pro

RAM: 16GB G-Skill Ripjaws V + 16GB Hyperx Fury Black @ stock

GPU: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2

PSU: EVGA G3 850W

SSD: Samsung 970 evo NVME 250GB, Samsung 860 evo SATA 1TB 

HDDs: 4x HGST Dekstar NAS 4TB @ 7200RPM (3 data, 1 parity)

Case: Sillverstone GD08B

Other: Added 3x Noctua NF-F12 intake, 2x Noctua NF-A8 exhaust, Inatek 5 port USB 3.0 expansion card with usb 3.0 front panel header

Details: 12GB ram, GTX 1080, USB card passed through to windows 10 VM. VM's OS drive is the SATA SSD. Rest of resources are for Plex, Duplicati, Spaghettidetective, Nextcloud, and game servers.

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2 to 16 players mind craft, farm simulator 17 and 19 unreal 2003 all at the same time I was wondering if a gpu would be good for helping less powerful graphics cards with rendering larger detailed maps. Also run fire walls and different set ups. To play with 

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The games do not render on the server side, so no they don't. With games the kind of data that is transmitted is player position, actions, etc.....

As far as minecraft a copy of the block chunks is copied to the client on where everything should be rendered. It has to be rendered on client side. For computational use, GPU's do very specific functions which arent typically used in games (for server side processing). 

 

If you want something cheap - go with an ex-lease server with Xeon 5600 series CPU's as theyre very cost effective for purchase. If you want something more expensive and new, then i'd probably just build a Ryzen system for the core count. 

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Thanks I can use information what about the 4 or more vms 32 GB of ram seem low and do I need vm compatible motherboard and cpu's?

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Most motherboards and CPUs support virtualization. For CPUs they have to have VT-x. Motherboards should be fine. As long as you have a hypervisor running, you can do VMs. As for hypervisors, I recommend VMware's ESXi. 

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I still dont get why you need to use VMs just for game servers. Wouldn’t docker be more efficient and less headache inducing?

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Yes, I have 9 monitors.

My main PC (Hybrid Windows 10/Arch Linux):

OS: Arch Linux w/ XFCE DE (VFIO-Patched Kernel) as host OS, windows 10 as guest

CPU: Ryzen 9 3900X w/PBO on (6c 12t for host, 6c 12t for guest)

Cooler: Noctua NH-D15

Mobo: Asus X470-F Gaming

RAM: 32GB G-Skill Ripjaws V @ 3200MHz (12GB for host, 20GB for guest)

GPU: Guest: EVGA RTX 3070 FTW3 ULTRA Host: 2x Radeon HD 8470

PSU: EVGA G2 650W

SSDs: Guest: Samsung 850 evo 120 GB, Samsung 860 evo 1TB Host: Samsung 970 evo 500GB NVME

HDD: Guest: WD Caviar Blue 1 TB

Case: Fractal Design Define R5 Black w/ Tempered Glass Side Panel Upgrade

Other: White LED strip to illuminate the interior. Extra fractal intake fan for positive pressure.

 

unRAID server (Plex, Windows 10 VM, NAS, Duplicati, game servers):

OS: unRAID 6.11.2

CPU: Ryzen R7 2700x @ Stock

Cooler: Noctua NH-U9S

Mobo: Asus Prime X470-Pro

RAM: 16GB G-Skill Ripjaws V + 16GB Hyperx Fury Black @ stock

GPU: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2

PSU: EVGA G3 850W

SSD: Samsung 970 evo NVME 250GB, Samsung 860 evo SATA 1TB 

HDDs: 4x HGST Dekstar NAS 4TB @ 7200RPM (3 data, 1 parity)

Case: Sillverstone GD08B

Other: Added 3x Noctua NF-F12 intake, 2x Noctua NF-A8 exhaust, Inatek 5 port USB 3.0 expansion card with usb 3.0 front panel header

Details: 12GB ram, GTX 1080, USB card passed through to windows 10 VM. VM's OS drive is the SATA SSD. Rest of resources are for Plex, Duplicati, Spaghettidetective, Nextcloud, and game servers.

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7 hours ago, Gwn88 said:

Thanks I can use information what about the 4 or more vms 32 GB of ram seem low and do I need vm compatible motherboard and cpu's?

Why do you think you need more?

 

- UT 2003 will probably run on a VM with 4GB

- Minecraft you could easily support 50 players on 6GB

- Farming Simulator 17 says it can run on 2GB (though you want 4GB assigned to a Windows 7 or higher VM)

 

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On 7/7/2018 at 8:12 AM, sazrocks said:

I still dont get why you need to use VMs just for game servers. Wouldn’t docker be more efficient and less headache inducing?

Becouse know more vms over dockers and even tho I do not have 20k plus to in get the same equipment i use in my job i still need to stay up with vms both trouble shooting and rebuilding. As my job includes running 20 vm's on dell 420 sever blades and NAS that is so big it more then triple redundant.  I am trying to build a sever the can host games at the same time allow me to run Cisco call management systems and other vms. 

 

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On 7/7/2018 at 9:13 AM, Jarsky said:

Why do you think you need more?

 

- UT 2003 will probably run on a VM with 4GB

- Minecraft you could easily support 50 players on 6GB

- Farming Simulator 17 says it can run on 2GB (though you want 4GB assigned to a Windows 7 or higher VM)

 

I want to use it for trouble shooting fire wall issues at my work and to run a full Cisco call manager systems to help me get further at my job. The games only add to the justification of cost for such a server system of my own.

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1 hour ago, Gwn88 said:

Becouse know more vms over dockers and even tho I do not have 20k plus to in get the same equipment i use in my job i still need to stay up with vms both trouble shooting and rebuilding. As my job includes running 20 vm's on dell 420 sever blades and NAS that is so big it more then triple redundant.  I am trying to build a sever the can host games at the same time allow me to run Cisco call management systems and other vms. 

 

 

59 minutes ago, Gwn88 said:

I want to use it for trouble shooting fire wall issues at my work and to run a full Cisco call manager systems to help me get further at my job. The games only add to the justification of cost for such a server system of my own.

This information would have been useful to have been included in the OP.

Current LTT F@H Rank: 98    Score: 2,285,387,178    Stats

Yes, I have 9 monitors.

My main PC (Hybrid Windows 10/Arch Linux):

OS: Arch Linux w/ XFCE DE (VFIO-Patched Kernel) as host OS, windows 10 as guest

CPU: Ryzen 9 3900X w/PBO on (6c 12t for host, 6c 12t for guest)

Cooler: Noctua NH-D15

Mobo: Asus X470-F Gaming

RAM: 32GB G-Skill Ripjaws V @ 3200MHz (12GB for host, 20GB for guest)

GPU: Guest: EVGA RTX 3070 FTW3 ULTRA Host: 2x Radeon HD 8470

PSU: EVGA G2 650W

SSDs: Guest: Samsung 850 evo 120 GB, Samsung 860 evo 1TB Host: Samsung 970 evo 500GB NVME

HDD: Guest: WD Caviar Blue 1 TB

Case: Fractal Design Define R5 Black w/ Tempered Glass Side Panel Upgrade

Other: White LED strip to illuminate the interior. Extra fractal intake fan for positive pressure.

 

unRAID server (Plex, Windows 10 VM, NAS, Duplicati, game servers):

OS: unRAID 6.11.2

CPU: Ryzen R7 2700x @ Stock

Cooler: Noctua NH-U9S

Mobo: Asus Prime X470-Pro

RAM: 16GB G-Skill Ripjaws V + 16GB Hyperx Fury Black @ stock

GPU: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2

PSU: EVGA G3 850W

SSD: Samsung 970 evo NVME 250GB, Samsung 860 evo SATA 1TB 

HDDs: 4x HGST Dekstar NAS 4TB @ 7200RPM (3 data, 1 parity)

Case: Sillverstone GD08B

Other: Added 3x Noctua NF-F12 intake, 2x Noctua NF-A8 exhaust, Inatek 5 port USB 3.0 expansion card with usb 3.0 front panel header

Details: 12GB ram, GTX 1080, USB card passed through to windows 10 VM. VM's OS drive is the SATA SSD. Rest of resources are for Plex, Duplicati, Spaghettidetective, Nextcloud, and game servers.

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Thanks for the in put I'll remember to add the most details in future post 

 

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