4/5K Video Editing, VR/High End Gaming

[Sepa]

Hello all! First time poster but have been watching LTT for many years!

 

I need to upgrade my current system. My motherboard is a p8z77-v and my CPU is a i7-2600k at 3.4ghz. I have two 980s in SLI and 16g of ram. My case is croshair military green one.... Not sure on my hard drive or my power supply.

 

I am a professional photographer and videographer. My drone shoots in 5k RAW video. I'm moving away from journalism and into drone video for production and real estate.

 

I need a computer that can handle editing 4k and 5k video in adobe after effects rendering. I want to game too when I'm not working. I have the HTC Vive and want to play any games on super 1337 high resolution. I want my eyes to bleed lol.

 

Anyway, back to work.. I can build a computer if the parts are in front of me but all the different numbers and different types of cpus confuse the hell out of me.

 

I'm an Intel and Asus fan and my budget is below $3,000 American USD but I MIGHT be able to stretch it to $4,000... RGB is a plus!

 

I already have a 4k monitor but I would like another. I also already have the keyboards, mouse, and joysticks...

 

Let me know and thanks!

[Demolishdude]

Here is an idea. Edit at will (not sure whether you wanted a new case or not, so I added a relatively basic one in).

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QNsVBb
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QNsVBb/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i9-7920X 2.9GHz 12-Core Processor  ($1039.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus - STRIX X299-E GAMING ATX LGA2066 Motherboard  ($313.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($450.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($111.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($58.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AMP Edition Video Card  ($774.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair - Carbide 400C ATX Mid Tower Case  ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($113.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $3049.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-05 22:37 EDT-0400

[Sepa]

I heard there are new Intel chips about to drop... Will these be the same socket size? Thanks!

[Firewrath9]

Try this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/C2jRFt 

add more ssds if you want, RAID 0 them alll or get like 8 4TB HDDs instead for some serious RAID. if you have enough, SLI 2 1070 tis would be better for video editing but this is better for gaming

[Sepa]

11 minutes ago, Firewrath9 said:

Try this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/C2jRFt 

add more ssds if you want, RAID 0 them alll or get like 8 4TB HDDs instead for some serious RAID. if you have enough, SLI 2 1070 tis would be better for video editing but this is better for gaming

I have a 20TB NAS Raid already for archived storage. Would raiding locally increase performance?

 

[Jurrunio]

5 minutes ago, Sepa said:

Would raiding locally increase performance?

RAID for you should be used in providing redundancy, not speed increases. Might as well buy NVMe SSDs for speed.

[Streetguru]

33 minutes ago, Demolishdude said:

48 minutes ago, Sepa said:

 

 

The 8700K is the best CPU for premiere sadly.

If you don't do much if any gaming get a 1070/ti or Vega 56

Not sure if those are the new WD Black SSDs, new ones are faster, could always just buy samsung as well.

Think it's usually better to get 500gb sticks over 1TB sticks cost wise. Although I'm not sure if there's a bottleneck with the 8700K and it's PCI-e lanes...maybe just get 1TB stick in that case, should probably build a NAS for the rest of your storage needs.
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VbdGjy
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VbdGjy/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  ($347.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: EVGA - CLC 240 74.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($89.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: EVGA - Z370 Classified K ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($159.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($309.99 @ Newegg Business)
Storage: Western Digital - Black 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($158.84 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital - Black 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($158.84 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Gaming OC 11G  Video Card  ($749.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterCase H500 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($107.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($104.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $2188.10
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-05 23:00 EDT-0400

[brob]

Unless one anticipates needing more than 64GB of memory or plans to use C4D cpu rendering, an i7-8700K is going to be the optimal choice for After Effects and gaming.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  ($347.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($104.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Asus - Prime Z370-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($169.06 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($420.98 @ Newegg Business) 
Storage: Samsung - 970 Pro 1.0TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($497.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC Black Edition Video Card  ($768.98 @ Newegg Business) 
Case: Phanteks - Eclipse P350X (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($74.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($104.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $2489.97
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-05 23:36 EDT-0400

[Sepa]

Is the 8700 the best out there right now for rendering? MicroCenter and B&H have chips close to $2,000 in price. The 8700 is only $350.00. Am I missing something here?

[Streetguru]

2 minutes ago, Sepa said:

Is the 8700 the best out there right now for rendering? MicroCenter and B&H have chips close to $2,000 in price. The 8700 is only $350.00. Am I missing something here?

Adobe had an update that enabled intel quick sync

 

and the software is not very multi-threaded in general.

 

Unless you also need to use other programs that make use of a lot of threads just get an 8700K

[Amazonsucks]

If you use this for work and cant afford downtime or errors, keep in mind that Coffee Lake Xeon-E is coming soon, which means a small socket with ECC RAM and high clocks.

 

Nvidias Turing microarchitecture GPUs are also due to be announced in like 2 months and Pascal is getting pretty old, but is still quite expensive.

 

Might be worth being patient if you want your eyes to bleed from the graphics and speed.

 

I would not do RAID in your workstation. If anything, i would simply put several 1-2TB SATA SSDs in it and avoid spinning rust altogether. Video editing is a place where you can actually make use of SSDs.

 

While an NVMe drive will have better sustained performance, they do cost a lot more per GB still. It may be beneficial to get a 400 or 500GB NVMe SSD for storing videos you are currently in the process of editing, as well as booting from.

 

How much RAM do you currently use when editing? 16GB is on the low side for an editing workstation so i would say 32GB should be plenty, unless your software can actually keep more than that in memory. RAM is still orders of magnitude faster than the fastest SSD, so keeping as much in memory as possible will smooth everything out.

[brob]

8 hours ago, Sepa said:

Is the 8700 the best out there right now for rendering? MicroCenter and B&H have chips close to $2,000 in price. The 8700 is only $350.00. Am I missing something here?

Curious, isn't it. Some hard data https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/After-Effects-CC-2018-CPU-Comparison-AMD-Ryzen-2-vs-Intel-8th-Gen-1137/ and https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/After-Effects-CC-2017-2-CPU-Performance-Core-i7-8700K-i5-8600K-i3-8350K-1055/.

 

Lots of cores only helps if the workflow can actually use them all. Otherwise the cpu with higher performing cores will do better.

[forregacc02]

Hey there, you might want to check this out.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  ($347.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
CPU Cooler: NZXT - Kraken X52 Rev 2 73.1 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($130.39 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Asus - ROG Strix Z370-I Gaming Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($177.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($360.98 @ Newegg) 
Storage: ADATA - XPG  512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($97.99 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Storage: ADATA - XPG  512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($97.99 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB STRIX GAMING Video Card  ($849.79 @ OutletPC) 
Case: NZXT - H200 (White) Mini ITX Tower Case  ($104.98 @ NZXT) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - EVO Edition 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($44.99 @ B&H) 
Total: $2213.09
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-06 11:14 EDT-0400

 

Highlights:

• Sleek tiny white enclosure with glass window
• Best looking CPU Block (NZXT - Customizable infinity led and logo via CAM software)
• Aura Sync Motherboard
• RGB RAM - Aura Sync Compatible
• ROG Strix Videocard - Aura Sync Compatible
• Dual M.2 SSD for RAID 0

Overall Aesthetic: Small clean looking white PC with glass side panel. No RGB Fans to light up the case. Just some RGB Lit components to provide some showcase in a demure fashion

[Sepa]

You all really like the 8700k don't you? That was my problem back in high school/college, I always thought the higher the price the better. The 8700k is "cheap" compared to the $2,500 chips. I thought I would have to spend $4,000 on a new video rendering computer.

 

Sidenote: Could this rig also BitCoin mine? When I was in College BitCoin was only $5 and I didn't buy in =(

[forregacc02]

1 hour ago, Sepa said:

You all really like the 8700k don't you? That was my problem back in high school/college, I always thought the higher the price the better. The 8700k is "cheap" compared to the $2,500 chips. I thought I would have to spend $4,000 on a new video rendering computer.

 

Sidenote: Could this rig also BitCoin mine? When I was in College BitCoin was only $5 and I didn't buy in =(

i7 was the best bet back in the day since the more expensive CPUs weren't much better than the i7s before. But not today. The more expensive CPUs today now show a significant performance increase against the i7s. Say, an i9-7980XE, it would beat the i7-8700k to a pulp in terms of rendering.

 

Sorry if I didn't give you an i9 build. I'm not good at building on LGA2066 platforms.

 

As for Bitcoin mining, yes it can, but it's not worth it. Bitcoin difficulty is way over the top now as compared to before. You won't get profitable hash rates on a high-end consumer system.

[Sepa]

36 minutes ago, forregacc02 said:

i7 was the best bet back in the day since the more expensive CPUs weren't much better than the i7s before. But not today. The more expensive CPUs today now show a significant performance increase against the i7s. Say, an i9-7980XE, it would beat the i7-8700k to a pulp in terms of rendering.

 

Sorry if I didn't give you an i9 build. I'm not good at building on LGA2066 platforms.

 

As for Bitcoin mining, yes it can, but it's not worth it. Bitcoin difficulty is way over the top now as compared to before. You won't get profitable hash rates on a high-end consumer system.

Are i9s built for rendering and gaming? Sorry for all the questions. I have been out of the loop for at least 7 years.

 

You said you are not good at building i9s over i7s. What's the difference other than chip size?

[forregacc02]

20 minutes ago, Sepa said:

Are i9s built for rendering and gaming? Sorry for all the questions. I have been out of the loop for at least 7 years.

 

You said you are not good at building i9s over i7s. What's the difference other than chip size?

No worries with the questions 

 

i9 isn't necessarily built for gaming. It would perform similarly to an i7 in terms of gaming. ~5% difference that could go either way depending on the game. I wouldn't worry about your CPU choice for gaming though. As these are beasts.

 

As for rendering, the i9 is much better for the task. Like, a lot better. You're really getting something from the extra cost here.

 

As for building i9 systems, it's basically the same as i7s. The main difference that hinders me from building one is the motherboard. The i7-8700k uses LGA1151 300 series motherboards which I'm familiar with. I know the good ones, the bad ones, and the features of most boards. While the i9 uses LGA2066 motherboards. I'm not familiar with these kind of boards. I don't know the good ones from the bad ones nor their features.

[Sepa]

1 hour ago, forregacc02 said:

No worries with the questions 

 

i9 isn't necessarily built for gaming. It would perform similarly to an i7 in terms of gaming. ~5% difference that could go either way depending on the game. I wouldn't worry about your CPU choice for gaming though. As these are beasts.

 

As for rendering, the i9 is much better for the task. Like, a lot better. You're really getting something from the extra cost here.

 

As for building i9 systems, it's basically the same as i7s. The main difference that hinders me from building one is the motherboard. The i7-8700k uses LGA1151 300 series motherboards which I'm familiar with. I know the good ones, the bad ones, and the features of most boards. While the i9 uses LGA2066 motherboards. I'm not familiar with these kind of boards. I don't know the good ones from the bad ones nor their features.

I heard Adobe is not maximized for multi-cores which means the 8700 would be better because of the faster clock speeds?

[brob]

4 hours ago, forregacc02 said:

i7 was the best bet back in the day since the more expensive CPUs weren't much better than the i7s before. But not today. The more expensive CPUs today now show a significant performance increase against the i7s. Say, an i9-7980XE, it would beat the i7-8700k to a pulp in terms of rendering.

...

 

True enough for cpu & hybrid rendering engines, not so for gpu rendering.

[forregacc02]

13 hours ago, Sepa said:

I heard Adobe is not maximized for multi-cores which means the 8700 would be better because of the faster clock speeds?

OMG I'm so sorry. I just re-read your original post and saw that you're using Adobe After Effects. You're correct on this one. The i7-8700k would perform better. I'm really sorry. I'll be more diligent next time.

[Sepa]

4 hours ago, forregacc02 said:

OMG I'm so sorry. I just re-read your original post and saw that you're using Adobe After Effects. You're correct on this one. The i7-8700k would perform better. I'm really sorry. I'll be more diligent next time.

Is there another program that could use more cores? Am I mistaken in that adobe sucks?

[Sepa]

Just throwing this out there... Is AMD better? Just keeping my options open.

 

[forregacc02]

1 hour ago, Sepa said:

Is there another program that could use more cores? Am I mistaken in that adobe sucks?

There are programs that use multiple cores such as Blender. Although I believe it does things differently than After Effects. I can't say for sure that adobe sucks. I personally don't use creative softwares extensively.

 

15 minutes ago, Sepa said:

Just throwing this out there... Is AMD better? Just keeping my options open.

 

I think AMD is no better than intel on this regard. I saw this Youtube video before that he's going back to Intel because AMD is having stability issues with Premiere. 

 

[Sepa]

17 minutes ago, forregacc02 said:

There are programs that use multiple cores such as Blender. Although I believe it does things differently than After Effects. I can't say for sure that adobe sucks. I personally don't use creative softwares extensively.

 

I think AMD is no better than intel on this regard. I saw this Youtube video before that he's going back to Intel because AMD is having stability issues with Premiere. 

 

I just found out about that channel. Thanks!

 

I'm thinking of going 8700k and overclocking it.

[Sepa]

I'm also thinking about going with the ASUS MAXIMUS IX CODE. I have two 980s right now that I will use until the next pay cycle. I will then upgrade to a 1180...