Node 202 ITX build

[Edward.s]

planning to build M ITX build need recommendation 

CPU : i5 8500 or 8400 

Mobo : ASUS STRIX H370-I-Gaming (https://www.asus.com/sg/Motherboards/ROG-STRIX-H370-I-GAMING/overview/) 

Ram: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 2400MHz (https://www.corsair.com/eu/en/Categories/Products/Memory/VENGEANCE®-LPX-16GB-(2-x-8GB)-DDR4-DRAM-2400MHz-C16-Memory-Kit---Black/p/CMK16GX4M2Z2400C16 ) 

PSU : CORSAIR SF450 (450W) (https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Power/Plug-Type/sf-series-psu-config/p/CP-9020104-NA) 

Storage: 850 Evo m.2, any cheap hdd 

Graphic card: havent decide most likely 1060 

Case: Node 202 

 

still early planning, need thoughts of the build and few general questions

is it worth it to spend more/less on better or worse chipset motherboard? 

considering the case support full size graphic card, should i be worried? 

how do i know if PSU is compatible with the motherboard? 

 

this will be my first build, open to all alternatives and recommendation. Thanks in advance 

 

 

 

[I-r0k]

Uhhhh......I can’t help you with the case. It is weird af. 

The psu is compatible with the mobo. 

You may want to get a higher watt psu for a 1060 and 8400/8500. Maybe a 550/600 watt. Your choice. 

[Streetguru]

13 minutes ago, Edward.s said:

 

Why the Node 202?

What's your budget country? Do you have all of the money right now?

Would highly suggest a different ITX case or even a microATX case for cost savings and better cooling.

[Edward.s]

14 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Why the Node 202?

What's your budget country? Do you have all of the money right now?

Would highly suggest a different ITX case or even a microATX case for cost savings and better cooling.

need small case, going to carry on airplane 

Budget around ~1.4 SGD, yes

what are your suggestion ? is there anything wrong with node 202 ? 

19 minutes ago, I-r0k said:

Uhhhh......I can’t help you with the case. It is weird af. 

The psu is compatible with the mobo. 

You may want to get a higher watt psu for a 1060 and 8400/8500. Maybe a 550/600 watt. Your choice. 

why is it wierd? 

Will consider higher watt, thanks

[seon123]

30 minutes ago, I-r0k said:

Uhhhh......I can’t help you with the case. It is weird af. 

The psu is compatible with the mobo. 

You may want to get a higher watt psu for a 1060 and 8400/8500. Maybe a 550/600 watt. Your choice. 

A 1060 system will draw like 200W under load. 200W is well under 450W. 

[Streetguru]

41 minutes ago, Edward.s said:

need small case, going to carry on airplane 

Budget around ~1.4 SGD, yes

what are your suggestion ? is there anything wrong with node 202 ? 

why is it wierd? 

Will consider higher watt, thanks

The Node 202 is just limiting overall.

Unless you 100% need it in that form factor, something like a Q300L has some neat features as well as built in dust filters and has solid cooling.

Or the core 500 is compact and supports larger air coolers or 240mm AIOs for the CPU

Otherwise I'd probably suggest an R5 2600 as a better value CPU overall 6 cores/12 threads on the cheap, though it's ITX board pricing sucks. Micro ATX is pretty good with the ASrock Pro4M.

 

No idea where you buy your parts for all that.


How's GPU pricing in your area? If it's terrible you could always just use a Ryzen APU in the meantime, and toss in a higher end next gen GPU in a few months with the money saved. Or just look for a used GPU.

[brob]

SF-450 will fit in the Node 202 and has more than sufficient capacity to power the build. If you use pcpartpicker.com to develop your build list, it will calculate power requirements and do basic compatibility checking.

 

Slightly different dimensions, https://www.silverstonetek.com/raven/products/index.php?model=RVZ01&area=en&top=C.

 

[Edward.s]

15 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

The Node 202 is just limiting overall.

Unless you 100% need it in that form factor, something like a Q300L has some neat features as well as built in dust filters and has solid cooling.

Or the core 500 is compact and supports larger air coolers or 240mm AIOs for the CPU

Otherwise I'd probably suggest an R5 2600 as a better value CPU overall 6 cores/12 threads on the cheap, though it's ITX board pricing sucks. Micro ATX is pretty good with the ASrock Pro4M.

 

No idea where you buy your parts for all that.


How's GPU pricing in your area? If it's terrible you could always just use a Ryzen APU in the meantime, and toss in a higher end next gen GPU in a few months with the money saved. Or just look for a used GPU.

will check if i those will work, full size case is definitely no but box type ITX might be possible. airflow wise, if the volume is the same box type better or 'book type' ? 

did consider amd side, but this build is mainly for game, usually i just do light stuff (docs, internet browsing etc) when not gaming. still amd better buy? 

 

i dont really know GPU market here is the price list 

its in SGD, asus 1060 3gb would be around 300USD (399SGD) 

i dont mind waiting few months but at least i need working computer rn 

[Edward.s]

3 minutes ago, brob said:

SF-450 will fit in the Node 202 and has more than sufficient capacity to power the build. If you use pcpartpicker.com to develop your build list, it will calculate power requirements and do basic compatibility checking.

 

Slightly different dimensions, https://www.silverstonetek.com/raven/products/index.php?model=RVZ01&area=en&top=C.

 

considered this before, slightly bigger and ~$30 more expensive. is it a better case tho ?

[brob]

2 minutes ago, Edward.s said:

considered this before, slightly bigger and ~$30 more expensive. is it a better case tho ?

No. The Node 202 is a good case for its type.

[Streetguru]

20 minutes ago, Edward.s said:

 

You poor soul, Don't know what normal pricing is but that seems really high. Normal pricing for 1060 6gbs and RX 580s is around $200 USD here at least, and they're like $300 right now

Might be worth looking into a Ryzen APU, it can do a lot of gaming even without a GPU. You just want to pair it with DDR4 3000/3200mhz, and just double check that board has an SoC VRM heatsink like the ASrock Pro4 M

Otherwise for the R5 2600 probably isn't a large difference in power draw, though the soldered IHS is nice for cooling, performance is fairly comparable.

The Node 202 isn't bad aside from the SFX limitation, but I'd rather have a case with better CPU cooling if possible.
 

 

[I-r0k]

3 hours ago, seon123 said:

A 1060 system will draw like 200W under load. 200W is well under 450W. 

Ummm......more like 300W. I am giving him the extra room if he wants to:

a. Overclock

b. Upgrade

[seon123]

4 hours ago, I-r0k said:

Ummm......more like 300W. I am giving him the extra room if he wants to:

a. Overclock

b. Upgrade

300W is what he would use with a 1080 and an HEDT platform. Not a 1060 and Ryzen. 

[Edward.s]

13 hours ago, Streetguru said:

You poor soul, Don't know what normal pricing is but that seems really high. Normal pricing for 1060 6gbs and RX 580s is around $200 USD here at least, and they're like $300 right now

Might be worth looking into a Ryzen APU, it can do a lot of gaming even without a GPU. You just want to pair it with DDR4 3000/3200mhz, and just double check that board has an SoC VRM heatsink like the ASrock Pro4 M

Otherwise for the R5 2600 probably isn't a large difference in power draw, though the soldered IHS is nice for cooling, performance is fairly comparable.

The Node 202 isn't bad aside from the SFX limitation, but I'd rather have a case with better CPU cooling if possible.
 

 

Ryzen 2600 is SG$292 and i5 8500 is SG$309 do you think its worth saving ? i heard this somewhere, future amd cpu will be compatible with the current ryzen chipset, is it true ? 

by SFX i assume you are referring to the PSU, what are the limitation of SFX PSU ? and what important connector (or pins?) should i look out for when getting PSU ?  

[brob]

It really doesn't matter if future cpu are compatible with current chipsets. Consider the introduction of the 2xxx Ryzen. Yes they can be used on 1xxx era Ryzen motherboards, but to fully exploit the cpu one needs an X470 chipset motherboard.

[I-r0k]

10 hours ago, seon123 said:

300W is what he would use with a 1080 and an HEDT platform. Not a 1060 and Ryzen. 

Ummm..... can someone help me out here. A 1080 and HEDT don’t draw 300W. Like 600W, right?

[brob]

1 minute ago, I-r0k said:

Ummm..... can someone help me out here. A 1080 and HEDT don’t draw 300W. Like 600W, right?

This mini-ITX maxed out with hdd, GTX 1080 Ti, and i7-8700K cpu has a max stock draw of ~435W. Given that it is in a cooling limited case, OC will not consume much more.

 

Given the starting point, a 450W psu is quite appropriate for this build. Anything more is spending money to cater to the unlikely.

 

A basic HEDT system with GTX 1080 and appropriate cooling and storage running at stock settings is going to be around 550W - 600W. The cpu and gpu alone are going to be 300W - 350W.

[Streetguru]

3 hours ago, brob said:

but to fully exploit the cpu one needs an X470 chipset motherboard.

I remember someone running it in X370 and not having any major difference from the chipsets. Not sure if X470 is required for boost 2.0 or w/e.

 

 

6 hours ago, Edward.s said:

Ryzen 2600 is SG$292 and i5 8500 is SG$309 do you think its worth saving ? i heard this somewhere, future amd cpu will be compatible with the current ryzen chipset, is it true ? 

by SFX i assume you are referring to the PSU, what are the limitation of SFX PSU ? and what important connector (or pins?) should i look out for when getting PSU ?  

SFX is just a more specific form factor, with fewer models to choose from and it's likely to be more expensive.

How much is an R5 1600? If they're on sale to get rid of them it's still a pretty great chip. AM4 itself is supposed to be supported until 2020.

[Edward.s]

1 hour ago, Streetguru said:

I remember someone running it in X370 and not having any major difference from the chipsets. Not sure if X470 is required for boost 2.0 or w/e.

 

 

SFX is just a more specific form factor, with fewer models to choose from and it's likely to be more expensive.

How much is an R5 1600? If they're on sale to get rid of them it's still a pretty great chip. AM4 itself is supposed to be supported until 2020.

The future support is quite appealing to me, R5 1600 is SG$258 and $295 for 1600X

[Streetguru]

11 minutes ago, Edward.s said:

The future support is quite appealing to me, R5 1600 is SG$258 and $295 for 1600X

Sounds like an R5 1600 + ASrockPro4 or any other decent board with VRM heatsinks is the way to go

[Streetguru]

22 minutes ago, Edward.s said:

The future support is quite appealing to me, R5 1600 is SG$258 and $295 for 1600X

Obviousl though don't expect to toss in a future potential 12 core on a cheaper motherboard.

 

But I wouldn't worry about future compatibility too much. The Pro4 can handle an 8 core alright. Same with any other B350 board with at least a 4phase VRM with a heatsink

[brob]

42 minutes ago, Edward.s said:

The future support is quite appealing to me, R5 1600 is SG$258 and $295 for 1600X

Future support should be of no concern. Concentrate on getting the best value today. Let the future unfold as it will and worry about it when it does.

[Edward.s]

Thanks for the recommendations, will do research about ryzen processor. for now PSU, case and RAM are fixed. will update the build in a few days. Thanks again! 

 

[Edward.s]

Update: Decided to go with Asus B350-i  and Ryzen 5 1600. will probably use the igpu for a while. 

can someone tell me the feature difference in B and X chipset ? i found this online but couldn't understand how it will translate to real world use  

 

[Edward.s]

6 minutes ago, Edward.s said:

Update: Decided to go with Asus B350-i  and Ryzen 5 1600. will probably use the igpu for a while. 

can someone tell me the feature difference in B and X chipset ? i found this online but couldn't understand how it will translate to real world use  

 

just realize 1600 dont have igpu. does all 2nd gen ryzen have?