OLED burn-in

[IgorM]

So an OLED screen is maybe the most gorgeous display tech now, with many good points like color reproduction and thin displays. But the fact that it suffers from burn in is quite an issue, so I wonder if some progress has been done to avoid that and improve the technology. Also are there solutions to remove burned in objects from the screen?

[Techicolors]

could be wrong but i believe the bar at the bottom of the iphone x will shift slightly from time to time so it doesn't cause image retention 

 

LG OLED TVs will turn on when not in use and run some images across the screen to prevent retention 

[IgorM]

2 minutes ago, Technicolors said:

could be wrong but i believe the bar at the bottom of the iphone x will shift slightly from time to time so it doesn't cause image retention 

 

LG OLED TVs will turn on when not in use and run some images across the screen to prevent retention 

yeah tvs and smartphones have features to change the place of some UI elements. But are there any hardware solutions yet to avoid it?

[IgorM]

2 hours ago, Pangea2017 said:

Researches have improved oled a lot.

Hope one day it won't be a problem.

2 hours ago, Pangea2017 said:

Also burn in never happend on my Nokia 930 and MiBand 2.

It happened with my old Galaxy tab and my mother's S3. I believe with TV's it shouldn't be a huge problem

[SolarNova]

11 hours ago, IgorM said:

So an OLED screen is maybe the most gorgeous display tech now, with many good points like color reproduction and thin displays. But the fact that it suffers from burn in is quite an issue, so I wonder if some progress has been done to avoid that and improve the technology. Also are there solutions to remove burned in objects from the screen?

PLEASE, search for actual testing and results. DONT ask here.

 

The problem is Linus himself seems to think OLED has horrible burn in issues, which is incorrect. Not his fault to be fair, many people 'think' the same way.

 

Here take a look at rting current burn in test and torture test.

 

 

https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/real-life-oled-burn-in-test

 

OLED is fine, treat it like a CRT or Plasma (i use a Plasma for my PC) and burn in wont be an issue.

[IgorM]

1 hour ago, SolarNova said:

PLEASE, search for actual testing and results. DONT ask here.

 

The problem is Linus himself seems to think OLED has horrible burn in issues, which is incorrect. Not his fault to be fair, many people 'think' the same way.

 

My opinion is based on my experiences with OLED that ended up with burn in.

[SolarNova]

1 minute ago, IgorM said:

My opinion is based on my experiences with OLED that ended up with burn in.

On mobiles.

Its given OLED's a bad name tbh. Its a poor choice of display for mobile, not only due to burn in which is a MUCH more likely on a mobile, but also max brightness.

 

And tbh, one does not need a good screen on a mobile. All these mobiles with super high PPI displays and even OLED tech ..totaly unnecessary. Its not a TV .. or Monitor. .its a mobile .. a mobile that has a touchscreen interface, which is going to get grubby fingerprints on it and scuffs from use, which make way more inpact on image quality than the type of display tech it uses or how high the PPi is lol.

 

Anyhoo, point is , dont take OLED performance and experience on a mobile affect, in anyway, how you perseve OLED as tech for TV's or monitors.

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

1 hour ago, SolarNova said:

On mobiles.

Its given OLED's a bad name tbh. Its a poor choice of display for mobile, not only due to burn in which is a MUCH more likely on a mobile, but also max brightness.

 

And tbh, one does not need a good screen on a mobile. All these mobiles with super high PPI displays and even OLED tech ..totaly unnecessary. Its not a TV .. or Monitor. .its a mobile .. a mobile that has a touchscreen interface, which is going to get grubby fingerprints on it and scuffs from use, which make way more inpact on image quality than the type of display tech it uses or how high the PPi is lol.

 

Anyhoo, point is , dont take OLED performance and experience on a mobile affect, in anyway, how you perseve OLED as tech for TV's or monitors.

Every OLED, mobile or otherwise, that I have ever owned has suffered from burnin, not to mention awful response times on TVs.

 

[JZStudios]

Walking through Best Buy I saw an OLED that was transitioning a bunch of videos and it just kind of had a weird smear from video burn which was odd.

We used to use my uncles plasma as the main TV and any broadcast channel logos (all of them) would burn in the corner. Forget game huds, which never change. So saying it's no worse than Plasma is really not very confidence inspiring.

[IgorM]

25 minutes ago, JZStudios said:

Forget game huds, which never change

status and nav bars on mobile devices also are definitly going to burn in

[Mira Yurizaki]

The only thing that's been done to mitigate burn in hardware wise is simply to make the OLED elements last longer. But that's all you can do. In software you can employ tricks like shifting the screen subtly or

 

I've also owned two devices that had OLED displays: a Zune HD and a 2013 Moto X. By the time I retired them (the Zune HD in 2016 or so which was 6 years and the Moto X in 2015), neither showed significant signs of burn-in despite having static elements. And most of that I attribute to using the lowest brightness I can tolerate, which I believe is the main cause of OLED degradation. The more light you want through it, the more you'll wear it out.

[SolarNova]

People should really take a look at the link i posted. The rtings test. It shows recent Lg OLED's and how long it takes for burn in to occure from worst case realworld, and best case realworld.

 

IIRC , it would take a year of 4 hour a day, every day, playing the same game (and nothing else at all) over and over, for burn in to even start being slightly noticable on solid color backgrounds, and still unnoticable with normal content being shown.

 

 

Also, with repsect to Plasma. One can state memorys of past experiences, but i HAVE a plasma NOW, of the last generations made, iv been using it for years for JUST PC use. I have NO burn in. NONE.

 

So with respect. Enough OLED bashing, (unless you want LCD to remain the only display tech forever?). OLED CAN be used for PC and gaming, so long as you treat them right.

Anyone who has an eye for good image quality should have no issue changing their TV/monitor use habbits if it means having a vastly superior image vs LCD.

Hide taskbar, screensavers, not using fullscreen windows for your browser, keeping track of how long you've had a static image on for. It becomes second nature. What do you all think we done back when we used CRT, all PC's had CRT, CRT suffered burn in, some worse than others, yet most people got by without any issues.

[JZStudios]

4 hours ago, SolarNova said:

People should really take a look at the link i posted. The rtings test. It shows recent Lg OLED's and how long it takes for burn in to occure from worst case realworld, and best case realworld.

 

IIRC , it would take a year of 4 hour a day, every day, playing the same game (and nothing else at all) over and over, for burn in to even start being slightly noticable on solid color backgrounds, and still unnoticable with normal content being shown.

 

 

Also, with repsect to Plasma. One can state memorys of past experiences, but i HAVE a plasma NOW, of the last generations made, iv been using it for years for JUST PC use. I have NO burn in. NONE.

 

So with respect. Enough OLED bashing, (unless you want LCD to remain the only display tech forever?). OLED CAN be used for PC and gaming, so long as you treat them right.

Anyone who has an eye for good image quality should have no issue changing their TV/monitor use habbits if it means having a vastly superior image vs LCD.

Hide taskbar, screensavers, not using fullscreen windows for your browser, keeping track of how long you've had a static image on for. It becomes second nature. What do you all think we done back when we used CRT, all PC's had CRT, CRT suffered burn in, some worse than others, yet most people got by without any issues.

I did look at the link and those TV's do have noticeable burn. I always hated CRTs, but they also had a degauss button that helped with the burn in. I never worried about any of what you said, just turned it off when I wasn't using it.

I'm not hiding my taskbar, I don't want screensavers, not using fullscreen in browsers is ridiculous, as most websites are designed for it, and I REALLY don't want to think about how long I've had an image displayed on it.

 

CRT's are a terrible example for you, because there was a solution. Any time I saw an ounce of burn I hit one, singular, universal on all monitors, button, and it was fixed.

[Pasi123]

8 minutes ago, JZStudios said:

I did look at the link and those TV's do have noticeable burn. I always hated CRTs, but they also had a degauss button that helped with the burn in. I never worried about any of what you said, just turned it off when I wasn't using it.

I'm not hiding my taskbar, I don't want screensavers, not using fullscreen in browsers is ridiculous, as most websites are designed for it, and I REALLY don't want to think about how long I've had an image displayed on it.

 

CRT's are a terrible example for you, because there was a solution. Any time I saw an ounce of burn I hit one, singular, universal on all monitors, button, and it was fixed.

Degauss have nothing to do with burn in. And burn in can't be fixed on a CRT monitor or TV.

 

My CRT TV does't have any burn in even though I've sometimes left the PS3 menu open for hours.

[IgorM]

21 minutes ago, JZStudios said:

I'm not hiding my taskbar, I don't want screensavers, not using fullscreen in browsers is ridiculous, as most websites are designed for it, and I REALLY don't want to think about how long I've had an image displayed on it.

 

That's my point

[JZStudios]

8 minutes ago, Pasi123 said:

Degauss have nothing to do with burn in. And burn in can't be fixed on a CRT monitor or TV.

 

My CRT TV does't have any burn in even though I've sometimes left the PS3 menu open for hours.

Any time I had smears of burn in I'd hit the button and it went away. Works for me.