Motherboard upgrade

[BrandonKHarris]

Hey guys so im planning on getting a ASRock - B250M in a few months when i get my new desktop because its compatible with the cpu and gpu that i want but the one thing that i really need to know to know if im going to get it or not is what ram is supported i only have ddr3 right now because ddr4 is so expensive so does it support ddr3 please help

[PineyCreek]

B250 only works with DDR4.

 

Edit: Wait, that's not necessarily true.  Let me look into it a bit further on your specific board.

[BrandonKHarris]

1 minute ago, PineyCreek said:

B250 only works with DDR4.

shit thanks for the help bro

[PineyCreek]

There's a number of Asrock B250M boards.  Which one specifically?

[BrandonKHarris]

4 minutes ago, PineyCreek said:

B250 only works with DDR4.

 

Edit: Wait, that's not necessarily true.  Let me look into it a bit further on your specific board.

i m not to sure tbh but i dont think i can because the pentium g4560 is only ddr4 isnt it?
 

[PineyCreek]

1 minute ago, BrandonKHarris said:

i m not to sure tbh but i dont think i can because the pentium g4560 is only ddr4 isnt it?
 

The Integrated Memory Controller on the CPU would be the first requirement.  Kaby lake can support DDR3L on some boards.

 

https://ark.intel.com/products/97143/Intel-Pentium-Processor-G4560-3M-Cache-3_50-GHz

[BrandonKHarris]

1 minute ago, PineyCreek said:

The Integrated Memory Controller on the CPU would be the first requirement.  Kaby lake can support DDR3L on some boards.

 

https://ark.intel.com/products/97143/Intel-Pentium-Processor-G4560-3M-Cache-3_50-GHz

well ould u know any motherboards that would support the pentium and gt 1030 and ddr3 ram if it can be used if thats what ur saying?? because im kinda confused

[PineyCreek]

Most of them are discontinued, and therefore low stock translates to higher prices.  Example, https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0153DWJ3E/ref=dp_olp_new_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=new

 

The simple truth though is that unless you have a board made with DDR3 in mind, it won't work.  I forgot one key thing: DDR3 is 240 pins, DDR4 is 288.  So you definitely will need a DDR3 board.  The chipset may support it, but it won't fit in the DIMM socket.

[BrandonKHarris]

1 minute ago, PineyCreek said:

Most of them are discontinued, and therefore low stock translates to higher prices.  Example, https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0153DWJ3E/ref=dp_olp_new_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=new

 

The simple truth though is that unless you have a board made with DDR3 in mind, it won't work.  I forgot one key thing: DDR3 is 240 pins, DDR4 is 288.  So you definitely will need a DDR3 board.  The chipset may support it, but it won't fit in the DIMM socket.

were u answering to what board should i get or the asrock board???

[BrandonKHarris]

2 minutes ago, PineyCreek said:

Most of them are discontinued, and therefore low stock translates to higher prices.  Example, https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0153DWJ3E/ref=dp_olp_new_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=new

 

The simple truth though is that unless you have a board made with DDR3 in mind, it won't work.  I forgot one key thing: DDR3 is 240 pins, DDR4 is 288.  So you definitely will need a DDR3 board.  The chipset may support it, but it won't fit in the DIMM socket.

because i dont have the money for ddr4 ram right now seeings though ram prices are so high

[Streetguru]

26 minutes ago, BrandonKHarris said:

Hey guys so im planning on getting a ASRock - B250M in a few months when i get my new desktop because its compatible with the cpu and gpu that i want but the one thing that i really need to know to know if im going to get it or not is what ram is supported i only have ddr3 right now because ddr4 is so expensive so does it support ddr3 please help

What CPU are buying? And what GPU?

What's your budget/country for the entire build and what do you need it for?

There's absolutely no reason to buy a G4560 + GT 1030 when the R3 2200G exists, it has roughly the same performance of those for $99

[PineyCreek]

If I was inserting my opinion, I would say save up until you buy all three parts at once (MB, memory, CPU).  If you have the g4560 and DDR3 now, then you need an LGA 1151 board that was made with DDR3 sockets.  None of the ASRock B250 boards appear to work here, they're all DDR4-based.  Get a B150 or Z170 board and hope it works.

 

The other thing to note is that Intel doesn't recommend using that CPU with DDR3, only DDR3L.  You've kind of got a bad combo of parts.

[BrandonKHarris]

1 minute ago, Streetguru said:

What CPU are buying? And what GPU?

What's your budget/country for the entire build and what do you need it for?

There's absolutely no reason to buy a G4560 + GT 1030 when the R3 2200G exists

i am thinking of buying that it just depends on what the board is because i fairly want to test out the gt 1030 and my budget is around 170$ aud or something thats after i buy the graphics card anyways 

[BrandonKHarris]

1 minute ago, PineyCreek said:

If I was inserting my opinion, I would say save up until you buy all three parts at once (MB, memory, CPU).  If you have the g4560 and DDR3 now, then you need an LGA 1151 board that was made with DDR3 sockets.  None of the ASRock B250 boards appear to work here, they're all DDR4-based.  Get a B150 or Z170 board and hope it works.

 

The other thing to note is that Intel doesn't recommend using that CPU with DDR3, only DDR3L.  You've kind of got a bad combo of parts.

i am buying everything at once except for the graphics card

[Streetguru]

Just now, BrandonKHarris said:

i am thinking of buying that it just depends on what the board is because i fairly want to test out the gt 1030 and my budget is around 170$ aud or something thats after i buy the graphics card anyways 

Just buy an R3 2200G  with an ASrock Pro4, and some decent speed memory and you're set and actually have a CPU upgrade path as well.

Since the 2xx chipsets are dead and only go up to a 7700K

The ryzen APU has around the performance of the GT 1030 for less money
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/pdBgXP
Price breakdown by merchant: https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/pdBgXP/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($138.00 @ Shopping Express)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($89.00 @ Shopping Express)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($149.00 @ Umart)
Total: $376.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-05 16:48 AEST+1000
 

 

[PineyCreek]

2 minutes ago, BrandonKHarris said:

i am buying everything at once except for the graphics card

If that's the case, I wouldn't do it.  I would get something like @Streetguru suggested and just get an APU for the time being.  You buy the trifecta: MB, memory, and APU at once, and you can get a GPU sometime later if you want.  You're going to get less for your money over the life of the computer if you go with the G4560 you're talking about, and you pretty much are committed to DDR4 at this point.

[BrandonKHarris]

Just now, PineyCreek said:

If that's the case, I wouldn't do it.  I would get something like @Streetguru suggested.  You're going to get less for your money over the life of the computer.

ok then what board would i need for the ryzen 2200g if thats the cpu u meant and would it support ddr3 and how big of a difference will it make then the 1030

[Streetguru]

Just now, BrandonKHarris said:

ok then what board would i need for the ryzen 2200g if thats the cpu u meant and would it support ddr3 and how big of a difference will it make then the 1030

You need DDR4 no matter what modern platform you buy.

You want an ASrock Pro 4, either the ATX or MATX version, it's probably the best budget AM4 board.

[PineyCreek]

3 minutes ago, BrandonKHarris said:

ok then what board would i need for the ryzen 2200g if thats the cpu u meant and would it support ddr3 and how big of a difference will it make then the 1030

No, it would definitely need DDR4.  You would lose a bit of FPS over a dedicated GPU like the 1030GT.  You could OC the APU a bit to minimize the losses.  Here's an article comparing it.

 

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3261-r3-2200g-r5-2400g-review-gaming-benchmarks-vs-gt-1030

 

Or you pay a bit more and get the R5 2400G which is a bit closer and you get a bit more CPU performance too.

[BrandonKHarris]

2 minutes ago, PineyCreek said:

No, it would definitely need DDR4.  You would lose a bit of FPS over a dedicated GPU like the 1030GT.  You could OC the APU a bit to minimize the losses.  Here's an article comparing it.

 

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3261-r3-2200g-r5-2400g-review-gaming-benchmarks-vs-gt-1030

would the ryzen 3 2200g be able to play black ops 2?

 

[BrandonKHarris]

4 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

You need DDR4 no matter what modern platform you buy.

You want an ASrock Pro 4, either the ATX or MATX version, it's probably the best budget AM4 board.

wait is there any chance i could use ddr3 just for now? because i was going to buy before the gt 1030 and then in about 2 months later buy all the stuff 

[BrandonKHarris]

5 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

You need DDR4 no matter what modern platform you buy.

You want an ASrock Pro 4, either the ATX or MATX version, it's probably the best budget AM4 board.

dont worry actualyl the way i have to do it with these cards and ram and everything i wouldnt be able to get the ryzen 3 all working until my birthday in 3 months seeing though im only 14

[PineyCreek]

1 minute ago, BrandonKHarris said:

wait is there any chance i could use ddr3 just for now? because i was going to buy before the gt 1030 and then in about 2 months later buy all the stuff 

It's not physically compatible with a modern motherboard, so no.  If you try to penny-pinch when you build a new system you will end up paying more in the long run, unless you're getting most of your parts for free.

[BrandonKHarris]

Just now, PineyCreek said:

It's not physically compatible with a modern motherboard, so no.  If you try to penny-pinch when you build a new system you will end up paying more in the long run, unless you're getting most of your parts for free.

it doesnt bother me that much if i end up paying more in the long run unless im paying a fair bit more

[BrandonKHarris]

1 minute ago, PineyCreek said:

It's not physically compatible with a modern motherboard, so no.  If you try to penny-pinch when you build a new system you will end up paying more in the long run, unless you're getting most of your parts for free.

would the gt 1030 be compatible with most motherboards?