Protecting My Surge

[Arshdeep]

Hey, after a little bit of hassling, I realize I need to get a surge protector, to protect my surge of course. 

 

I have a 850Watt rate PSU (some claim it to only handle 750 ^-^), in this scenario, we are going to target a 500 & maybe even higher loads! Around 800Watts no doubt. What type of Surge Protector, and joules would you recommend for me? I have a (latest and... greatish) monitor any PC, and occasionally a laptop and printer (not always pluged in, 5-10 minute windows.) I would rather have the Surge Protector block out all electricity if the disastrous time comes, so what joules under max load, over kill is fine, reputable brand is a requirement, and $20 is the budget . ^-^

Hope you can help...

 

Looking at a: http://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-TLP606-Protector-Outlet/dp/B0000AI0N1/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1387823580&sr=8-1&keywords=surge+protector

[mgsstar]

I am currently using this but its a bit out of your budget: http://www.amazon.com/APC-Performance-SurgeArrest-Splitter-Protection/dp/B0012YLTR6/

This is also fine: http://www.amazon.com/APC-P8VT3-Outlet-2770J-Protector/dp/B0012YJQWQ

 

Have been using APC (pretty common brand imo) surge protectors and they are great but never had a surge before so not sure how they will perform.

[westom]

I have a 850Watt rate PSU (some claim it to only handle 750 ^-^), in this scenario, we are going to target a 500 & maybe even higher loads! Around 800Watts no doubt. What type of Surge Protector, and joules would you recommend for me?

 

 

  Is your computer so hot as to also toasts bread?  Of course not.  It is not consuming anywhere near to 800 watts.  Anyone can make those measurements.  Most who make recommendations only recite what hearsay has told them.  Anyone can buy a cheap and simple tool to learn what real numbers are.  Many already have and reported numbers which contradict hearsay and wild speculation:

  http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=34917091#post34917091

 

  Same applies to that surge protector.  Destructive surges are hundreds of thousands of joules.  How many joules does that protector claim to absorb?  800?  Did they forget to view numbers and then recommend it? Two completely different devices are both called surge protectors.  One that hearsay most often recommends also does not claim to protect from typically destructive surges.  The other means protection even from direct lightning strikes.  For maybe $1 per protected appliance.

 

  A majority only believe the first thing told - also called hearsay.  Well proven numbers are often ignored.  If that protector protects as hearsay claims, then spec numbers are also provided that say so.  Good luck finding numbers that make that claim.  One even recommends it without having any surges and without any supporting facts.  Did they also ignore house fires sometimes created because that type protector is undersized?  Since  'surge protector' sounds like 'surge protection', then most assume it is same.

 

  Did they forget to mention surge protection already inside power supplies?  Your concern is a rare surge that might overwhelm that protection.  Any facility that cannot have damage therefore uses the other and well proven solution - also called surge protection.  First learn what is required.  Then obtain something that actually claims that solution.

 

  Only hearsay recommends an 800 watt supply while ignoring a glaring fact.  If a computer needs 800 watts, then it should have a slot to also toast bread.  That protector is recommended using same hearsay.  A completely different device (also called a surge protector) has always been the effective solution.

[Arshdeep]

Thank you for such a reply. Quite long, inforamtive I assume. However I have gotten over refreshing my OS, which apparently W8.1 reinstalled in a manner. What I meant by 800watt is, trust me, I know 500watt is under max loads rather sometimes, but the point is, I like overkill, and I wanted a large surge protector for my set up, area, just something I do.

TL;DR Sorry

 

GASP

[Arshdeep]

I am currently using this but its a bit out of your budget: http://www.amazon.com/APC-Performance-SurgeArrest-Splitter-Protection/dp/B0012YLTR6/

This is also fine: http://www.amazon.com/APC-P8VT3-Outlet-2770J-Protector/dp/B0012YJQWQ

 

Have been using APC (pretty common brand imo) surge protectors and they are great but never had a surge before so not sure how they will perform.

Thank you very much

GASP

[westom]

...  but the point is, I like overkill, and I wanted a large surge protector for my set up, 

 

 

Then you do not want something that is near zero.   Since surges can be hundreds of thousands of joules.  And that protector claims to absorb how much?  800 joules?  Near zero.  Clearly not anywhere near overkill.

[Arshdeep]

Then you do not want something that is near zero.   Since surges can be hundreds of thousands of joules.  And that protector claims to absorb how much?  800 joules?  Near zero.  Clearly not anywhere near overkill.

Your avatar says "Newbie," yet you leave me wordless. Should I even reply? [@mgsstar] Thank you] already helped me out. So...

GASP

[westom]

YThank you] already helped me out. So...

GASP

 

  Have I?  Only provided were numbers that identify what is not effective.  No numbers were requested for a different solution that actually does protection.  That was the point.  Answers without numbers are devoid of perspective.  Therefore are subjective; mostly useless.  A useful request and resulting answer identifies what harmlessly absorbs hundreds of thousands of joules.  Remains functional.  And which manufacturer specification numbers are relevant.

[YellowDragon]

I personally use a Tripplite Isobar for all my electronics. These things don't come cheap but you basically put your money where your mouth is since these things are built like tanks that are built within tanks. The outer casing is solid steel and the have a lifetime warranty, basically they say this is the last surge strip you will ever buy and I believe them.

 

http://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-HT10DBS-Theater-Protector/dp/B0002QPC28/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1388160686&sr=1-6&keywords=Tripplite+isobar

[Arshdeep]

I personally use a Tripplite Isobar for all my electronics. These things don't come cheap but you basically put your money where your mouth is since these things are built like tanks that are built within tanks. The outer casing is solid steel and the have a lifetime warranty, basically they say this is the last surge strip you will ever buy and I believe them.

 

http://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-HT10DBS-Theater-Protector/dp/B0002QPC28/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1388160686&sr=1-6&keywords=Tripplite+isobar

That costs as much as my motherboard. Thanks for the recommendation. Appreciate it.

GASP

[Arshdeep]

  Have I?  Only provided were numbers that identify what is not effective.  No numbers were requested for a different solution that actually does protection.  That was the point.  Answers without numbers are devoid of perspective.  Therefore are subjective; mostly useless.  A useful request and resulting answer identifies what harmlessly absorbs hundreds of thousands of joules.  Remains functional.  And which manufacturer specification numbers are relevant.

Take it as a compliment. Enjoy the sunshine. 

GASP

[westom]

That costs as much as my motherboard. Thanks for the recommendation. Appreciate it.

 

  Monster sold speaker wire with ends marked for the amp and speaker connections.  Monster said reversing wire would subvert audio fidelity.   Monster sold that $7 speaker wire for $70.  Worse, many would reverse connections and actually 'hear' inferior fidelity.  Scams are easily promoted by simply selling a myth at higher prices.

 

  Isobar's internal circuit is similar to a protector selling in Walmart for $10.  A stronger case priced at 5 times more money means it is better protection?  Many routinely believe recommendations by ignoring spec numbers.

 

  Monster has a long history of identifying scams.  Then marketing a similar product at even higher prices..  Monster sold an equivalent  protector with expensive looking paint for $120.  If Monster is selling one, then other products also may be suspect.  Most people assume more expensive means better.

 

 A proven solution, standard in facilities that cannot have damage, is about $1 per protected appliance.

[Arshdeep]

  Monster sold speaker wire with ends marked for the amp and speaker connections.  Monster said reversing wire would subvert audio fidelity.   Monster sold that $7 speaker wire for $70.  Worse, many would reverse connections and actually 'hear' inferior fidelity.  Scams are easily promoted by simply selling a myth at higher prices.

 

  Isobar's internal circuit is similar to a protector selling in Walmart for $10.  A stronger case priced at 5 times more money means it is better protection?  Many routinely believe recommendations by ignoring spec numbers.

 

  Monster has a long history of identifying scams.  Then marketing a similar product at even higher prices..  Monster sold an equivalent  protector with expensive looking paint for $120.  If Monster is selling one, then other products also may be suspect.  Most people assume more expensive means better.

 

 A proven solution, standard in facilities that cannot have damage, is about $1 per protected appliance.

TL;DR You know this, do you not? Sorry. By the way, it most ceritanly seems like you may know what you are talking about... maybe. 

-GASP-

[Exotath]

I think my best piece of hardware is my UPS. :lol:  It gives me some peace of mind.

 

http://www.amazon.com/CyberPower-CP1350AVRLCD-Intelligent-Series-Mini-Tower/dp/B000OFXKFI

[westom]

TL;DR You know this, do you not? Sorry. By the way, it most ceritanly seems like you may know what you are talking about... maybe. 

-GASP-

 

  Again: view manufacturer spec numbers.  Naive consumers routinely avoid numbers to promote myths they were told to believe. A reality of life even demonstrated by Monster's speaker wire.

 

  How does that UPS dissipate hundreds of thousands of joules?  Undersized protectors disconnect protector circuits as fast as possible while leaving that current still connected to an appliance.  Undersized protectors report a failure using a "protector good" light.  Then the naive assume grossly undersized protectors work by failing.  Nonsense.  If a protection circuit does not disconnect fast enough, then a protector fire can occur.  This October, APC finally admitted some of their undersized products were creating fires so often that all should be immediately disconnected.. Undersized protectors (that would somehow dissipate hundreds of thousands of joules) only claim near zero protection.  That UPS for 'peace of mind' is a perfect example.  

 

  Other recommendations also came without numbers.   No numbers is the first indication of a bogus recommendation.

 

  Why do facilities that cannot have damage use something completely different (also called a surge protector)?  The other and proven solution (for over 100 years) makes even direct lightning strikes irrelevant. That protector does not fail.Comes with numbers that defines protection AND that says why it does not fail.

 

 I actually designed this stuff as an engineer.  So that even direct lightning strikes caused no damage ... even to the protector.  How many others can make that claim?

 

That CyberPower CP1350AVRLCD claims how much protection?  Not even one number in the URL claims any protection.  Why is that called "peace of mind"?  Suspect the worst from recommendations based only in speculation - and without even one spec number.

[Arshdeep]

Okay

-GASP-

[Arshdeep]

  Again: view manufacturer spec numbers.  Naive consumers routinely avoid numbers to promote myths they were told to believe. A reality of life even demonstrated by Monster's speaker wire.

 

  How does that UPS dissipate hundreds of thousands of joules?  Undersized protectors disconnect protector circuits as fast as possible while leaving that current still connected to an appliance.  Undersized protectors report a failure using a "protector good" light.  Then the naive assume grossly undersized protectors work by failing.  Nonsense.  If a protection circuit does not disconnect fast enough, then a protector fire can occur.  This October, APC finally admitted some of their undersized products were creating fires so often that all should be immediately disconnected.. Undersized protectors (that would somehow dissipate hundreds of thousands of joules) only claim near zero protection.  That UPS for 'peace of mind' is a perfect example.  

 

  Other recommendations also came without numbers.   No numbers is the first indication of a bogus recommendation.

 

  Why do facilities that cannot have damage use something completely different (also called a surge protector)?  The other and proven solution (for over 100 years) makes even direct lightning strikes irrelevant. That protector does not fail.Comes with numbers that defines protection AND that says why it does not fail.

 

 I actually designed this stuff as an engineer.  So that even direct lightning strikes caused no damage ... even to the protector.  How many others can make that claim?

 

That CyberPower CP1350AVRLCD claims how much protection?  Not even one number in the URL claims any protection.  Why is that called "peace of mind"?  Suspect the worst from recommendations based only in speculation - and without even one spec number.

One day, I will take my time to read this all. Surges are not my strong side (EE), I hate the fact that I am ignoring knowledge, and from a person like you. You sure seem like you know what you are saying. I'll trust that.

[westom]

One day, I will take my time to read this all. Surges are not my strong side (EE), I hate the fact that I am ignoring knowledge, and from a person like you. You sure seem like you know what you are saying. I'll trust that.

 

Fundamental concept applies to anything.  What are the numbers?  No numbers is a first indication of a lie.  Reasons why are numerous and long.  But the bottom line always applies.  Anything recommended without perspective (the numbers) is probably a lie; how scams get promoted.

 

  Where is the number for protection from a UPS?  Does not exist or is near zero.  Many make themselves targets by only thinking subjectively.  By not demanding perspective (numbers).

 

 Meanwhile almost nothing has defined a solution.  It takes this much just to define those hearsay recommendations as bogus.  Another completely different solution is based in concepts originally taught in elementary school science.  But nobody has yet asked for a solution.  Only discussed were recommendations promoted by rumor, hearsay, and advertising.

 

How to separate parables from reality.  Reality is defined by numbers. Number have exposed the myth.  No numbers were yet posted to define a solution.

[Arshdeep]

Fundamental concept applies to anything.  What are the numbers?  No numbers is a first indication of a lie.  Reasons why are numerous and long.  But the bottom line always applies.  Anything recommended without perspective (the numbers) is probably a lie; how scams get promoted.

 

  Where is the number for protection from a UPS?  Does not exist or is near zero.  Many make themselves targets by only thinking subjectively.  By not demanding perspective (numbers).

 

 Meanwhile almost nothing has defined a solution.  It takes this much just to define those hearsay recommendations as bogus.  Another completely different solution is based in concepts originally taught in elementary school science.  But nobody has yet asked for a solution.  Only discussed were recommendations promoted by rumor, hearsay, and advertising.

 

How to separate parables from reality.  Reality is defined by numbers. Number have exposed the myth.  No numbers were yet posted to define a solution.

Solution to surge protection? I only needed a recommendation, Good for bad. From my little knowledge (E,E,) . I do not even need a protector (always need protection, though, *wink -hehe) It is rather the full-fillment of knowing you have something in case. Rather a mental worry, if you will.

-GASP-

[westom]

. I do not even need a protector (always need protection, though, *wink -hehe) 

 

 

Some protection systems have no protector.  But every successful system always has an earth ground.  Not to be confused with what might happen accidentally in a field of flowers.

[Arshdeep]

Some protection systems have no protector.  But every successful system always has an earth ground.  Not to be confused with what might happen accidentally in a field of flowers.

I see.

[Arshdeep]

It'll have to do. Rolling up my sleeves and getting to work.

[Arshdeep]

Some protection systems have no protector.  But every successful system always has an earth ground.  Not to be confused with what might happen accidentally in a field of flowers.

Keep in mind, I doubt I will get a protector at all. It just wanted a protector in case I needed one, for wanted one rather, just to know of a product when the time came...