will this overheat

[PurplDrank]

So a friend of mine who is hardcore into full tower cases says getting a mid tower is a waste of time because 1) overheating 2) upgrading a micro atx motherboard is useless and ill have to upgrade sooner 3) airflow. Out of experimentation i made a full tower build as well but can barely find any cases. Is mid tower the new standard? is mid tower worth it for a build over $1000 and will the below build overheat? Will all of that fit into that mid tower case below?

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PzrDxG

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  ($237.59 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Pure Rock Slim 35.1 CFM CPU Cooler  ($21.29 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus - ROG STRIX Z370-G GAMING (WI-FI AC) Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($178.76 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($165.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($99.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($56.90 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB GAMING X Video Card  ($365.44 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black/Blue) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.49 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($73.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $1269.33

[Himommies]

14 minutes ago, PurplDrank said:

upgrading a micro atx motherboard

Mid-towers are for ATX Mobo's

 

16 minutes ago, PurplDrank said:

3) airflow

it's potenttialy easier to blow air through a mid tower because it's smaller

[Jurrunio]

24 minutes ago, PurplDrank said:

So a friend of mine who is hardcore into full tower cases says getting a mid tower is a waste of time because 1) overheating 2) upgrading a micro atx motherboard is useless and ill have to upgrade sooner 3) airflow.

There are two types of mid towers, ATX mid tower and mATX mid tower. One supports ATX mobo while the other doesnt, but function-wise they arent that different compared to the larger ATX full tower.

1. Overheating is more likely caused by lack of room to use a big air cooler in smaller cases, which means you need liquid all-in-ones. Only applies to heavy overclockers and there are small cases that can use huge coolers, still.

2. mATX is a form factor, in other words, size. Upgradability follows chipsets, not size. mITX, mATX or ATX, it doesnt matter.

3. Full towers can also have bad airflow (H440 I'm talking about you), mid towers can have good airflow like the Mastercase Pro 3. In other words, there's no direct relationship between size and airflow.

[PurplDrank]

7 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

There are two types of mid towers, ATX mid tower and mATX mid tower. One supports ATX mobo while the other doesnt, but function-wise they arent that different compared to the larger ATX full tower.

1. Overheating is more likely caused by lack of room to use a big air cooler in smaller cases, which means you need liquid all-in-ones. Only applies to heavy overclockers and there are small cases that can use huge coolers, still.

2. mATX is a form factor, in other words, size. Upgradability follows chipsets, not size. mITX, mATX or ATX, it doesnt matter.

3. Full towers can also have bad airflow (H440 I'm talking about you), mid towers can have good airflow like the Mastercase Pro 3. In other words, there's no direct relationship between size and airflow.

So I can put those parts and that board in that case ?

[Jurrunio]

13 minutes ago, PurplDrank said:

So I can put those parts and that board in that case ?

That cooler is way too weak for the 8600k when overclocked, so either the cooler leaves or the CPU leaves (8700 is a better choice unless you want to experience overclocking).

 

mATX motherboard does look weird in an ATX case, and Z370-G is also quite expensive for what it offers.

 

In short, you can, but better not.

[Guest]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  ($237.59 @ SuperBiiz) 
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H5 Universal 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($41.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Asus - ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($189.39 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($165.99 @ Newegg Business) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($74.89 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($43.85 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB G1 Gaming Video Card  ($364.88 @ OutletPC) 
Case: Fractal Design - Meshify C Dark TG ATX Mid Tower Case  ($87.28 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($54.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $1260.75
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-04-12 06:50 EDT-0400

[seon123]

16 minutes ago, PurplDrank said:

So I can put those parts and that board in that case ?

The S340 has horribly bad airflow. It depends into he case in question. mATX motherboards can have lots of features, but the Z370-G is just an overpriced piece of crap. 

[PurplDrank]

49 minutes ago, seon123 said:

The S340 has horribly bad airflow. It depends into he case in question. mATX motherboards can have lots of features, but the Z370-G is just an overpriced piece of crap. 

whats a good micro atx mid tower case? 

[PurplDrank]

52 minutes ago, lee32uk said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  ($237.59 @ SuperBiiz) 
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H5 Universal 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($41.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Asus - ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($189.39 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($165.99 @ Newegg Business) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($74.89 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($43.85 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB G1 Gaming Video Card  ($364.88 @ OutletPC) 
Case: Fractal Design - Meshify C Dark TG ATX Mid Tower Case  ($87.28 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($54.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $1260.75
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-04-12 06:50 EDT-0400

i heard strix's bios is terrible. that was part of my original idea but instead i went with a MSI - Z370M GAMING PRO AC Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard

[Guest]

1 hour ago, PurplDrank said:

i heard strix's bios is terrible. that was part of my original idea but instead i went with a MSI - Z370M GAMING PRO AC Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard

Not that I know of. I have mainly used Gigabyte boards myself though. I would have gone with an ATX board though in an ATX case just for aesthetics.

[brob]

2 hours ago, PurplDrank said:

whats a good micro atx mid tower case? 

 

Fractal Design Meshify C Mini Dark TG

Fractal Design Define Mini C TG

Fractal Design Define Mini C

Corsair - Air 240

Cooler Master N200

[PurplDrank]

47 minutes ago, lee32uk said:

Not that I know of. I have mainly used Gigabyte boards myself though. I would have gone with an ATX board though in an ATX case just for aesthetics.

im having trouble finding a atx case that i like. im pretty picky, many of them look like battle tanks. I like the sleekness of some of the mid tower or micro atx cases. At first i didn't like the meshify fractal design, after looking at it somemore it does have a sleekness on it along with good airflow. I also like the glass on the side so i can customize it a little bit. So i decided to go with the fractal design meshify.

 

Microcenter and newegg dont even have that many full atx cases

[brob]

1 minute ago, PurplDrank said:

im having trouble finding a atx case that i like. im pretty picky, many of them look like battle tanks. I like the sleekness of some of the mid tower or micro atx cases. At first i didn't like the meshify fractal design, after looking at it somemore it does have a sleekness on it along with good airflow. I also like the glass on the side so i can customize it a little bit. 

If possible, it is a very good idea to visit a merchant or two and look at cases. Pictures can be very deceiving. You may find a case that looks good on screen is not particularly pleasing and vice-versa.

 

[PurplDrank]

Just now, brob said:

If possible, it is a very good idea to visit a merchant or two and look at cases. Pictures can be very deceiving. You may find a case that looks good on screen is not particularly pleasing and vice-versa.

 

But im saying that mid towers seem to be the standard now. back in the day full towers used to be the standard but i can barely find any full atx cases. there seems to be more mid tower cases or micro atx cases 

[brob]

Just now, PurplDrank said:

But im saying that mid towers seem to be the standard now. back in the day full towers used to be the standard but i can barely find any full atx cases. there seems to be more mid tower cases or micro atx cases 

True. Smaller seems to be preferred by most. Full towers are heavy and can really only be placed on a floor. 

[PurplDrank]

24 minutes ago, brob said:

True. Smaller seems to be preferred by most. Full towers are heavy and can really only be placed on a floor. 

My friends hes old school and thinks im wasting my time with mid or micro atx cases. But the fractal design meshify looks to have good airflow, great custimzation and good cable management 

[Guest]

52 minutes ago, PurplDrank said:

im having trouble finding a atx case that i like. im pretty picky, many of them look like battle tanks. I like the sleekness of some of the mid tower or micro atx cases. At first i didn't like the meshify fractal design, after looking at it somemore it does have a sleekness on it along with good airflow. I also like the glass on the side so i can customize it a little bit. So i decided to go with the fractal design meshify.

 

Microcenter and newegg dont even have that many full atx cases

The Phanteks Enthoo Pro M Glass is also another nice looking case imo and that has good airflow as it also has a mesh front. Pretty much any case with an open front panel should be better than a solid front like the S340 for airflow. 

 

A full tower is a bit of a waste really unless you plan to fill it up with a custom loop etc. Most builds will look a bit 'lost' in a full tower. On the upside you usually have a lot more room to work with, so not much issue of something not fitting.

[PurplDrank]

2 minutes ago, lee32uk said:

The Phanteks Enthoo Pro M Glass is also another nice looking case imo and that has good airflow as it also has a mesh front. Pretty much any case with an open front panel should be better than a solid front like the S340 for airflow. 

 

A full tower is a bit of a waste really unless you plan to fill it up with a custom loop etc. Most builds will look a bit 'lost' in a full tower. On the upside you usually have a lot more room to work with, so not much issue of something not fitting.

He also said that the new X999 and tr4 mother boards wont fit in a mid tower like the fractal design meshify. Should i not be his friend anymore lol? i feel like hes giving me false info 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, PurplDrank said:

He also said that the new X999 and tr4 mother boards wont fit in a mid tower like the fractal design meshify. Should i not be his friend anymore lol? i feel like hes giving me false info 

Any ATX sized board will fit in an ATX case whether it is a midi or full tower. Even some E-ATX will fit although it might be a squeeze depending on the board width. 

[PurplDrank]

3 minutes ago, lee32uk said:

Any ATX sized board will fit in an ATX case whether it is a midi or full tower. Even some E-ATX will fit although it might be a squeeze depending on the board width. 

so should i change my mother board to an atx and fit it in the fractal design meshify or stick with what i was gonna do a micro atx motherboard inside the fractal meshify 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, PurplDrank said:

so should i change my mother board to an atx and fit it in the fractal design meshify or stick with what i was gonna do a micro atx motherboard inside the fractal meshify 

I would go with an ATX board myself as it will look better. If you need wifi then you can always buy a separate adapter if the board doesn't have it.

[brob]

8 minutes ago, PurplDrank said:

so should i change my mother board to an atx and fit it in the fractal design meshify or stick with what i was gonna do a micro atx motherboard inside the fractal meshify 

There is an ATX version of the Meshify C. There is also an mATX version. Buy the case that best fits the motherboard.

 

You may wish to explain to your friend that the need for expansion slots and lots of room for storage has been greatly reduced since 1995 when Intel introduced ATX. In those days a typical enthusiast pc needed slots for network, gpu and sound cards. Often controller and port cards were also needed. Today a typical enthusiast motherboard needs only a gpu.

[PurplDrank]

3 minutes ago, lee32uk said:

I would go with an ATX board myself as it will look better. If you need wifi then you can always buy a separate adapter if the board doesn't have it.

gotcha. so an atx board will fit in a fractal meshifiy. I already have a wifi adapter so should be good. 

[PurplDrank]

2 minutes ago, brob said:

There is an ATX version of the Meshify C. There is also an mATX version. Buy the case that best fits the motherboard.

 

You may wish to explain to your friend that the need for expansion slots and lots of room for storage has been greatly reduced since 1995 when Intel introduced ATX. In those days a typical enthusiast pc needed slots for network, gpu and sound cards. Often controller and port cards were also needed. Today a typical enthusiast motherboard needs only a gpu.

It looks like the meshify C was the one i was going for in micro atx build as well. 

 

Heres my ATX motherboard build with it 

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tJLykd

 

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  ($237.59 @ SuperBiiz) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($19.99 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: Asus - Prime Z370-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($149.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($165.99 @ Newegg Business) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($74.89 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($59.79 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB Strix Video Card  ($394.88 @ OutletPC) 
Case: Fractal Design - Meshify C Dark TG ATX Mid Tower Case  ($87.28 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($73.98 @ Newegg) 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, PurplDrank said:

gotcha. so an atx board will fit in a fractal meshifiy. I already have a wifi adapter so should be good. 

Yes