3Gbps bonding solution

[Markry]

Hi, I'm thinking for about a month about this project.

 

In my home town they offer 1Gbps for about 14 us dollars. We currently have 3 ISPs who can provide those services.

I'm looking to get all 3 connections and bond them together for a total of 3Gbps. Is this possible and if so what equipment do I need? I was looking yesterday without a clue at Ubiquiti's website.

[Hugs12343]

Linus did a video where he joined two connections at his home. I don't know about 3 connections though.

 

But dude seriously, you don't need 3Gbit internet!!!!

Most people's computer drives aren't even that fast!

 

You don't need this. I don't know why you need more. Most people don't measure they're internet speed with GBits. They use something called Mbits just in case you hadn't heard about this.

 

What on earth are you planning to do with this?

 

 

 

BTW, If you really plan on doing this, you need to get the following:

 

https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Express-Gigabit-Ethernet-ST10000SPEX/dp/B00LPRS36K

https://rog.asus.com/articles/networking/bring-10gbit-ethernet-home/

 

 

 

[Hugs12343]

Anyway if you wanted that speed you would have to run 3 cables assuming that each cable can only do 1gbit.

[leadeater]

5 minutes ago, Hugs12343 said:

Anyway if you wanted that speed you would have to run 3 cables assuming that each cable can only do 1gbit.

The above video you linked requires both connections to be from the same ISP and the ISP needs to configure their end for bonding. Aggregating multiple ISP connections from different ISPs or without ISP side configuration will achieve basically nothing, unless you have 3 people simultaneously wanting to use 1Gbps each fully.

[Hugs12343]

1 minute ago, leadeater said:

The above video you linked requires both connections to be from the same ISP and the ISP needs to configure their end for bonding. Aggregating multiple ISP connections from different ISPs or without ISP side configuration will achieve basically nothing, unless you have 3 people simultaneously wanting to use 1Gbps each fully.

Ahh ok.

[Hugs12343]

When I clicked on this thread I thought it was something to do with SATA 3GBits/s. But now I realised it's about internet speed.

[leadeater]

3 minutes ago, Hugs12343 said:

When I clicked on this thread I thought it was something to do with SATA 3GBits/s. But now I realised it's about internet speed.

Well I can totally see why, 3Gbps internet 

[Markry]

51 minutes ago, leadeater said:

The above video you linked requires both connections to be from the same ISP and the ISP needs to configure their end for bonding. Aggregating multiple ISP connections from different ISPs or without ISP side configuration will achieve basically nothing, unless you have 3 people simultaneously wanting to use 1Gbps each fully.

So what are you saying is that I will achieve 0 increase in speed, I will just have more bandwidth?

[leadeater]

30 minutes ago, Markry said:

So what are you saying is that I will achieve 0 increase in speed, I will just have more bandwidth?

Yep, if you ran a speed test all you'd get is 1Gbps. You could do that on 3 devices at once and all 3 would each get 1Gbps though.

[Markry]

My initial plan was to use three network cards on a computer (PCI-E, Thunderbolt) and bond the connection in software with Spedify. Will this work? Are there any other software bonding solutions?

[DogKnight]

I remember seeing some modems in the past that had similar capabilities. E.g. allowing multiple connections to be used. But while they could be used simultaneously, it was more designed as a failover. So if your cable/dsl connection went down, it would switch over to 4G. 

 

You can definitely get corporate grade routers (think expensive CISCO equipment) that can manage multiple links, but as others have stated, it would increase bandwidth, not top speed. So if your first 1gb link was saturated, it could start using the second link and so on. Multiple devices can use multiple links, which could improve your situation through not having to share bandwidth, but your primary PC won't suddenly be getting 3gbs instead of 1gbs. 

Also, unless you are hosting content for others, I don't see why currently anyone would need that level of bandwidth at home. 

[Markry]

3 hours ago, DogKnight said:

I remember seeing some modems in the past that had similar capabilities. E.g. allowing multiple connections to be used. But while they could be used simultaneously, it was more designed as a failover. So if your cable/dsl connection went down, it would switch over to 4G. 

 

You can definitely get corporate grade routers (think expensive CISCO equipment) that can manage multiple links, but as others have stated, it would increase bandwidth, not top speed. So if your first 1gb link was saturated, it could start using the second link and so on. Multiple devices can use multiple links, which could improve your situation through not having to share bandwidth, but your primary PC won't suddenly be getting 3gbs instead of 1gbs. 

Also, unless you are hosting content for others, I don't see why currently anyone would need that level of bandwidth at home. 

Of course I don't need it, I don't even need 1Gbps but why not do it? I'm searching google for load balancing routers with 3 SFP+ or GPON connections. Maybe I'm doing something wrong. After I order my connections I will have 3 cables who aren't RJ45 cables. They are really thin and with an elongated connector. I'm not sure if they are SFP+ or GPON.

 

Even if I only increase my bandwidth I still want to do it. But I really don't know what to get in order to make it work.

[mynameisjuan]

55 minutes ago, Markry said:

, I don't even need 1Gbps but why not do it?

Money....It must be nice to not care about money that much. 

 

56 minutes ago, Markry said:

After I order my connections I will have 3 cables who aren't RJ45 cables

No you will have RJ45 connections. You will never receive a bare fiber connection. The ONT is what converts the light almost exactly the same way a modem converts the signal on Cable/DSL. 

 

This project is way to complicated for a "fuck it, lets do it". Especially when you need to understand way more than basics in networking. 

[Markry]

2 hours ago, mynameisjuan said:

Money....It must be nice to not care about money that much. 

 

No you will have RJ45 connections. You will never receive a bare fiber connection. The ONT is what converts the light almost exactly the same way a modem converts the signal on Cable/DSL. 

 

This project is way to complicated for a "fuck it, lets do it". Especially when you need to understand way more than basics in networking. 

Yes, they will give me a device that converts the GPON to RJ45 outputs but I was thinking I can buy a load balancing router with multiple GPON inputs.

[mynameisjuan]

1 minute ago, Markry said:

Yes, they will give me a device that converts the GPON to RJ45 outputs but I was thinking I can buy a load balancing router with multiple GPON inputs.

Again, you obliviously dont understand how this works. They are not going to give you a fiber and thats not how GPON works.

[Falconevo]

Firstly, you need to know what technologies those companies are using to provide Gbit connectivity, if they are installing their own fiber to the premises then its possible.  However if they are using DOCSIS 3.1 for example you will only be able to have 1 ISP at the property at once.

3Gbit seems like overkill, I dual-wan and load balance their bandwidth myself but that's for different reasons

[leadeater]

2 hours ago, Markry said:

Yes, they will give me a device that converts the GPON to RJ45 outputs but I was thinking I can buy a load balancing router with multiple GPON inputs.

Have you even checked that 3 fibre lines to a residential address is even allowed? Usually it's not a case of willing to pay for it, often it's simply not allowed. If they do allow it then you'll get 3 ONTs.

 

Without a business connection an ISP isn't going to allow you to bring your own GPON networking equipment and they won't give you the required configuration to make it work, your miss configurations will effect their networks so you'll get a very quick and abrupt "No we will not allow this".

 

So the first step before you do anything is find out if you can actually get three connections provisioned to your property at all.

[mynameisjuan]

14 hours ago, leadeater said:

Without a business connection an ISP isn't going to allow you to bring your own GPON networking equipment and they won't give you the required configuration to make it work, your miss configurations will effect their networks so you'll get a very quick and abrupt "No we will not allow this".

No ISP in their right mind would ever let anyone install their own GPON equipment. 

[leadeater]

12 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

No ISP in their right mind would ever let anyone install their own GPON equipment. 

Yea, agree to a point. We would be allowed to, not that we would use GPON like ever. We're that sort of in between being a ISP and not being one, a defacto ISP by nature of who we are and our requirements etc.

 

We house equipment on behalf of a couple of ISPs anyway and are a major aggregation point for the area, plus have some odd peerings due to that. Guest hotspot networks not operated by us but on our campus isn't true internet traffic in regards to traffic destined to our network, makes for some interesting traffic flows lol.

[mynameisjuan]

5 minutes ago, leadeater said:

not that we would use GPON like ever.

And thats the thing, why would an ISP every give a GPON connection over a Gig Eth. 

 

7 minutes ago, leadeater said:

We're that sort of in between being a ISP and not being one, a defacto ISP by nature of who we are and our requirements etc.

Sweet! So do you guys plan of becoming an ISP? We are a small but large ISP so to say i guess...lol. 

[leadeater]

23 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

Sweet! So do you guys plan of becoming an ISP? We are a small but large ISP so to say i guess...lol. 

No, we're a university but have campuses that span 3 major areas of the North Island (main population location of NZ), Wellington, Auckland and Palmerston North. We have all the equipment, multiple ASNs (each /16 in associated subnet size), multi homed peerings etc, all the basic ISP jazz infrastructure wise but legally we aren't allowed to and wouldn't want to anyway.

 

23 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

And thats the thing, why would an ISP every give a GPON connection over a Gig Eth. 

GPON is great for residential, nothing else. Both are far too slow for us anyway.

 

GPON's main attraction is it's multi services capability and isn't reliant on IP only. GPON can handle POTS phone and has a dedicated wavelength for IPTV.

[DogKnight]

21 hours ago, mynameisjuan said:

This project is way to complicated for a "fuck it, lets do it". Especially when you need to understand way more than basics in networking. 

 

Completely agree. 

[ha1o2surfer]

Bonding over WAN is not what you think it is. A router capable of routing 1gpbs fully is expensive, CPU wise and hardware wise let alone 3gbps.. Bonding 3 WAN connections does not work in the same was as a lan environment. Like someone else posted, both sides need to be "aware" of the bonding in order to achieve 3gpbs. What routers are doing when they bond multiple ISPs is route certain traffic through certain IPs. So VOIP traffic go through IP #1, Https through IP 2 and so on. What you are asking is impossible without the ISP helping out lol

 

Sorry man