First timer build

[Wolf ~ IRONI]

Btw the 1070 And 60hz monitor bottleneck thing is bullshit. It'll work just fine. U can always cap fps

[Mrmicheese]

3 hours ago, Wolf ~ IRONI said:

Btw the 1070 And 60hz monitor bottleneck thing is bullshit. It'll work just fine. U can always cap fps

True, still I will opt for a 1440p at 60/75hz monitor. Seems more adequate for my needs/work. For the 1700 you may be right but as the new ones should launch in approx 10 days I might as well wait and see the price fall respectively.

[Mrmicheese]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3GHz 8-Core Processor  (€261.99 @ Alternate)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - MasterLiquid 240 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (€59.90 @ Amazon France)
Motherboard: MSI - B350 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€89.90 @ Amazon France)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€139.30 @ Amazon France)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€94.45 @ LDLC)
Storage: Seagate - FireCuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive  (€122.90 @ LDLC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB AORUS Video Card  (€574.90 @ LDLC)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Lite 5 ATX Mid Tower Case  (€47.99 @ Amazon France)
Power Supply: be quiet! - Pure Power 10 CM 600W 80+ Silver Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€79.90 @ Amazon France)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro Full 32/64-bit  (€12.32 @ Amazon France)
Total: €1483.55
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Alright for the update, stepped up on an atx mobo as the micro apparently is fidgety with fan connexions etc. Stepped down to 16gb ram as it would be overkill for now (might upgrade later).

As it stands I will wait for:

First: the launch of zen2 to see the difference in price/performance

Second: the extend of the Gpu price drop (I still feel bad about not starting the build before all this)

 

 

 

 

 

[Herman Mcpootis]

21 minutes ago, Mrmicheese said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3GHz 8-Core Processor  (€261.99 @ Alternate)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - MasterLiquid 240 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (€59.90 @ Amazon France)
Motherboard: MSI - B350 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€89.90 @ Amazon France)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€139.30 @ Amazon France)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€94.45 @ LDLC)
Storage: Seagate - FireCuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive  (€122.90 @ LDLC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB AORUS Video Card  (€574.90 @ LDLC)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Lite 5 ATX Mid Tower Case  (€47.99 @ Amazon France)
Power Supply: be quiet! - Pure Power 10 CM 600W 80+ Silver Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€79.90 @ Amazon France)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro Full 32/64-bit  (€12.32 @ Amazon France)
Total: €1483.55
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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for just gaming, don't bother with the 1700, games don't use that many cores yet. 

[Mrmicheese]

2 minutes ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

for just gaming, don't bother with the 1700, games don't use that many cores yet. 

Yeah that's why I'm still indecisive between Intel and AMD. The 8600k looked promising as well especially that I would not really experience the increased core count on an everday basis. I'll just wait to see the price/perf ratio after the new announcement and (confirmed) benchmark results

[Herman Mcpootis]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  (€249.90 @ Amazon France) 
CPU Cooler: Reeven - Ouranos 92.4 CFM CPU Cooler  (€54.46 @ LDLC) 
Motherboard: Asus - Prime Z370-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€158.94 @ Amazon France) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (€182.89 @ Alternate) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€79.99 @ Amazon France) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€40.73 @ Amazon France) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB AORUS Video Card  (€574.90 @ LDLC) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€80.89 @ Amazon France) 
Other: EMPIRE Gaming PC-Gehäuse Gaming Warfare schwarz LED – USB 3.0 – 3 Lüfter 120 mm LED blau blau  (€79.90 @ Amazon France) 
Total: €1502.60
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-04-10 04:48 CEST+0200

[Mrmicheese]

38 minutes ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  (€249.90 @ Amazon France) 
CPU Cooler: Reeven - Ouranos 92.4 CFM CPU Cooler  (€54.46 @ LDLC) 
Motherboard: Asus - Prime Z370-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€158.94 @ Amazon France) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (€182.89 @ Alternate) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€79.99 @ Amazon France) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€40.73 @ Amazon France) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB AORUS Video Card  (€574.90 @ LDLC) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€80.89 @ Amazon France) 
Other: EMPIRE Gaming PC-Gehäuse Gaming Warfare schwarz LED – USB 3.0 – 3 Lüfter 120 mm LED blau blau  (€79.90 @ Amazon France) 
Total: €1502.60
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Hmm pretty decent for a comparaison thanks!

[Guest]

13 hours ago, Mrmicheese said:

With the new ones coming I thought the same thing... will depend on the pricing

Pricing should be pretty similar to current Ryzen cpu's.

[Wolf ~ IRONI]

10 hours ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

for just gaming, don't bother with the 1700, games don't use that many cores yet. 

Yet u say, in about 2 years i woulnd be suprised if u need 6 cores for games that are cpu eating

[Herman Mcpootis]

1 minute ago, Wolf ~ IRONI said:

Yet u say, in about 2 years i woulnd be suprised if u need 6 cores for games that are cpu eating

?

[Wolf ~ IRONI]

1 minute ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

?

I cant explain better what i sayd there

[Herman Mcpootis]

1 minute ago, Wolf ~ IRONI said:

I cant explain better what i sayd there

i meant where did i say that?

[Wolf ~ IRONI]

1 minute ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

i meant where did i say that?

Nvm i thought u meant something else

[Herman Mcpootis]

1 minute ago, Wolf ~ IRONI said:

Nvm i thought u meant something else

well? i legit cannot remember where i said that. and the 1700 is an 8-core cpu anyways.

[Mrmicheese]

2 hours ago, lee32uk said:

Pricing should be pretty similar to current Ryzen cpu's.

Yeah I will switch to intel nonetheless, even IF games were optimised for more cores (people have been dreaming about this for years now) I wouldn't really care that much. The build @Herman Mcpootis provided is solid and I began ordering the main accessories leaving out the costy bits for random special deals (or even change of heart) in the next 1-2 weeks + the 1080 is coming in close to the 1070 ti pricewise. Gotta love the case tho, sparing me some bucks on esthetics 

[lavablade02]

18 hours ago, Wolf ~ IRONI said:

Btw the 1070 And 60hz monitor bottleneck thing is bullshit. It'll work just fine. U can always cap fps

How so? The 1070 will be putting out way more than 60 fps at max settings at 1080p in any game I can think of other than maybe Crysis 3

[xriqn]

19 hours ago, lee32uk said:

Those benchmarking sites are usually not a good way to compare hardware. Also why go for a R7 1800X when an R7 1700 will do the same thing ? Plus the refresh Ryzen cpu's are due out this month so do buy anything yet anyway if going for AMD.

 

 

It's a measure of how the hardware SHOULD perform, not how it WILL. Ryzen refresh will definitely cost more than Ryzen 1 and I don't think the performance increase will justify the increased price.

[xriqn]

14 hours ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  (€249.90 @ Amazon France) 
CPU Cooler: Reeven - Ouranos 92.4 CFM CPU Cooler  (€54.46 @ LDLC) 
Motherboard: Asus - Prime Z370-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€158.94 @ Amazon France) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (€182.89 @ Alternate) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€79.99 @ Amazon France) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€40.73 @ Amazon France) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB AORUS Video Card  (€574.90 @ LDLC) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€80.89 @ Amazon France) 
Other: EMPIRE Gaming PC-Gehäuse Gaming Warfare schwarz LED – USB 3.0 – 3 Lüfter 120 mm LED blau blau  (€79.90 @ Amazon France) 
Total: €1502.60
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Why only a 1tb HDD when you can have a 2TB hybrid? With Intel you're also paying a crap ton more for the motherboard rather than going AMD and buying a good CPU and a good motherboard for cheaper so you don't have to compromise as much on other parts. As a result you've had to downgrade to an SSD that is slower than the 850 EVO 250GB and a HDD that is both smaller in capacity and slower than a hybrid. All because you went intel. Sure the gaming stats are probably better but you gotta think about storage speed and capacity too, they are VERY important factors for gaming no matter how basic or stupid you might think it sounds.

[Wolf ~ IRONI]

3 hours ago, lavablade02 said:

How so? The 1070 will be putting out way more than 60 fps at max settings at 1080p in any game I can think of other than maybe Crysis 3

If a gpu makes more fps than your monitors hertz, it isnt bottlenecking. It just shows 60 fps max. 

[Herman Mcpootis]

7 hours ago, xriqn said:

Why only a 1tb HDD when you can have a 2TB hybrid? As a result you've had to downgrade to an SSD that is slower than the 850 EVO 250GB and a HDD that is both smaller in capacity and slower than a hybrid. 

the MX500 is about the same in performance to the 850 evo while being cheaper and having a higher rated endurance. a hybrid isn't much faster than a regular HDD until the programs get cached, which isn't much with a measly 8gb cache.

[Guest]

16 hours ago, xriqn said:

It's a measure of how the hardware SHOULD perform, not how it WILL. Ryzen refresh will definitely cost more than Ryzen 1 and I don't think the performance increase will justify the increased price.

Much better to look at an actual review of the cpu to see how it performs in gaming against other cpu's than some generic benchmark website.

 

As for the price then sure it will cost more than current Ryzen but it isn't going to be a huge amount more. The newer chips can hopefully overclock past 4GHz as well if rumours are correct. With the release date so close it makes sense to hang on for a week or so.

[lavablade02]

21 hours ago, Wolf ~ IRONI said:

If a gpu makes more fps than your monitors hertz, it isnt bottlenecking. It just shows 60 fps max. 

that is literally the definition of a bottleneck. One part not allowing another to reach its full potential. The 1070 is outputting 100 fps but the monitor is only showing 60 fps.